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Open Skies Eco Class Vs UA & AF Economy  
User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6034 times:
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Which is a better product? UA, EC, or AF in Y!
I hear seat pitch is 33" on EC but can't confirm. Also if public transportation from Orly ok or is that a problem?


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User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5994 times:

Public transport from ORY is very good and ORY is nearer to the city.


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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

Quoting MHG (Reply 1):

ORY is nearer to the city.

It's true but the difference is marginal (we are talking here about a 5-8 km difference). At the end for the convenience to use ORY or CDG, it all depends where you go in/around Paris.


User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5907 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 2):
It's true but the difference is marginal (we are talking here about a 5-8 km difference). At the end for the convenience to use ORY or CDG, it all depends where you go in/around Paris.

Certainly !

CDG for the northern part and ORY for the southern part ...



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User currently offlineAirAfreak From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5808 times:
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Since your question includes United Airlines and Open Skies, I will make the assumption you are departing from the United States?

I should ask how do the fares compare for Orly? I find when I search for flights to Paris, Orly is more expensive than CDG. CDG is not too much further from Paris versus ORY time wise as a previous poster mentioned the difference is about 5-8 kms.

And now to your question regarding service, I find Air France to be the most consistent in a very positive way since many many years. I have flown with Air France each year since about the time when AF first launched the A340 into service (so maybe 1992~1993?) I love the way the service is conducted on board as I find it is efficient and business friendly. When I mean business friendly, they flight attendants are cordial and attentive but not intrusive. I find the service is done faster as you do not see the flight attendants gossiping and taking their sweet time in serving meals. If you compare UA versus AF serving dinner in the Economy Cabin, I would swear on my LIFE, AF would do it better/faster (meaning you have more time to enjoy your meal). You might want to consult the Trip Reports on this website to compare the photos of the food served in Economy Class. You will see HANDS DOWN the food is more appealing with AF rather than UA. Open Skies, I cannot comment so you will have to refer to a Trip Report on that one for yourself to decide.

CDG is not so much a nightmare as you will read on these forums. If you have common sense and can read and comprehend signage that is in both English and French throughout CDG, you will not have any issues with arrival or transfers. I mention this as AF does not offer nonstop flights to ORY from any U.S. city.

Fly Air France, experience CDG and it's beautiful architecture, enjoy the refined and elegant cabin crew service, and most of all, the free flowing champagne that is offered in ALL CLASSES OF SERVICE!!! Oh, they also offer a nice digestif/cognac/coffee/tea/hot chocolate after the dinner service!!! It's a nice touch and shows effort!

Alternatively, you can fly United and enjoy that pre-landing meal of the typical pizza, calzone, artery-clogging "savory" snack that is offered on westbound transatlantic flights. Blah! (Go to NY, Chicago, or Italy for pizza/calzones!)

Pleasant travels!



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 4):
And now to your question regarding service, I find Air France to be the most consistent in a very positive way since many many years. I have flown with Air France each year since about the time when AF first launched the A340 into service (so maybe 1992~1993?) I love the way the service is conducted on board as I find it is efficient and business friendly. When I mean business friendly, they flight attendants are cordial and attentive but not intrusive. I find the service is done faster as you do not see the flight attendants gossiping and taking their sweet time in serving meals. If you compare UA versus AF serving dinner in the Economy Cabin, I would swear on my LIFE, AF would do it better/faster (meaning you have more time to enjoy your meal). You might want to consult the Trip Reports on this website to compare the photos of the food served in Economy Class. You will see HANDS DOWN the food is more appealing with AF rather than UA. Open Skies, I cannot comment so you will have to refer to a Trip Report on that one for yourself to decide.

CDG is not so much a nightmare as you will read on these forums. If you have common sense and can read and comprehend signage that is in both English and French throughout CDG, you will not have any issues with arrival or transfers. I mention this as AF does not offer nonstop flights to ORY from any U.S. city.

Fly Air France, experience CDG and it's beautiful architecture, enjoy the refined and elegant cabin crew service, and most of all, the free flowing champagne that is offered in ALL CLASSES OF SERVICE!!! Oh, they also offer a nice digestif/cognac/coffee/tea/hot chocolate after the dinner service!!! It's a nice touch and shows effort!

Alternatively, you can fly United and enjoy that pre-landing meal of the typical pizza, calzone, artery-clogging "savory" snack that is offered on westbound transatlantic flights. Blah! (Go to NY, Chicago, or Italy for pizza/calzones!)

  I have to say that I completely agree with your analysis


User currently offlineAirAfreak From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5794 times:
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Quoting goldorak (Reply 5):

Well, no complaints here
 

Air France. The Fine Art of Flying.



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User currently offlineLDIkaros From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5742 times:

I would also recommend AF. I just flew AF SFO-CDG. Compared to long haul TATL flights with UA and LH I would rate the Y class experience on AF far superior to UA and, in my limited experience, slightly better than LH. I have never flown Open Skies, though, so I cannot include it in my comparisons.

The transfer at CDG was somewhat annoying, mostly because of the long walks. Signage is not too bad, you just have to follow the signs and you should be fine. There are definitely worse transfer airports out there.


User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 4):
CDG is not so much a nightmare as you will read on these forums

I agree wih you. Even living in Paris, I transfer trough CDG and it's not that difficult!

Quoting LDIkaros (Reply 7):
The transfer at CDG was somewhat annoying, mostly because of the long walks. Signage is not too bad, you just have to follow the signs and you should be fine. There are definitely worse transfer airports out there.

Signage is not that bad and people are used to not look at signages.
Regarding the long walk, CDG is not an exception! Long walks seems to be he norm in a lot of airports!



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User currently offlineAirAfreak From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5624 times:
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Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 8):

Yes, the signs are clearly marked. It always amazes me when I read the complaints regarding CDG. Additionally, the people that complain are Elite Plus/Platinum/Diamond/HON Circle/PPS/Solitaire/Gold/Million Miler pax. I have flown between 1-6 times annually to CDG since 1992 and have never had any problems. I do not hold the highest esteem level of frequent flier membership, yet I have the common sense to book my tickets with ample connection times when in transit at CDG and any other airport. Weather, delays, etc never go away. I always plan ahead and always have a Plan B.

I just cannot sympathize with the constant complaints.

Bon Voyage,

AirAfreak.



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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 8):

It's not the signage that's a problem. It's the rudest airport staff I've ever come across that's the issue with CDG. I will avoid it unless the rest of the world is under nuclear siege...


User currently offlinePlane Holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Thread starter):

I don't know about the service but the seatpitch should be 52 inch on Premium Economy

http://www.reisreview.nl/stoelafstan...premium-economy.php?airlinecode=EC

I don't think they have economy


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