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737 MAX Possible Routes.  
User currently offlineYankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12201 times:

Range of the 737 MAX 7 is 3,800 NM.
Range of the 737 MAX 8 is 3,620 NM.
Range of the 737 MAX 9 is 3,595 NM

What routes might be possible with this aircraft if the plane has ETOPS?

I'd say JFK-ORK.

[Edited 2012-09-02 12:17:41]


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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12171 times:

According to a boeing presentation made at the farnborough airshow this year, it was stated that the 737 MAX will cover most routes that the 757s flies today except the transatlantic routes. However I believe the MAX could be possible used on routes from the east cost of the US to the UK and Ireland without too much penalties.


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User currently offlineYankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12138 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
According to a boeing presentation made at the farnborough airshow this year, it was stated that the 737 MAX will cover most routes that the 757s flies today except the transatlantic routes. However I believe the MAX could be possible used on routes from the east cost of the US to the UK and Ireland without too much penalties.

Boeing should use these on TATL routes that can connect small UK/Ireland airports to the east coast of the USA or long domestic routes like EWR/JFK-ANC if the markets are there.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7114 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12071 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
it was stated that the 737 MAX will cover most routes that the 757s flies today except the transatlantic routes. However I believe the MAX could be possible used on routes from the east cost of the US to the UK and Ireland without too much penalties.

Gotta get that ol' ETOPS stuff taken care of first  

I haven't really found anything, which engines are they gonna offer for the MAX? IIRC ETOPS all depends on the engines, right?



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User currently offlineYankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12023 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Gotta get that ol' ETOPS stuff taken care of first

Let's say the plane has ETOPS certification.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11836 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):

ETOPS can be covered during the flight test program. Also to answer your other question, yes ETOPS depend on the engine choice, but since the MAX will be offered with 1 engine only i.e. the CFM LEAP-X engine, ETOPS testing would only be required for that engine only.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6982 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11709 times:

How about the rst of the America's, the current 737 is already capable of transcon in the USA, the MAX in no variant will be a 757 TATL replacement so the other regions which may benefit from the increased range must be closer to home, like the Caribbean, South and Central America.
Efficiency may well turn out to be the primary selling point of the MAX.


User currently offlineYankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11644 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 6):
How about the rst of the America's, the current 737 is already capable of transcon in the USA, the MAX in no variant will be a 757 TATL replacement so the other regions which may benefit from the increased range must be closer to home, like the Caribbean, South and Central America.
Efficiency may well turn out to be the primary selling point of the MAX.

2/3 of the MAX aircraft can do TATL routes that the 757 can not do like fly from a small US airport on the east coast to a small western Euro airport.

[Edited 2012-09-02 14:36:51]


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11546 times:

Out here undoubtly Bom-Del sector  


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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11382 times:
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Scandinavia-Dubai with more payload than today, for sure.


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User currently offlineflyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11370 times:

Look for WN to use theirs in Hawaii and Alaska, the Caribbean, central and S. America and maybe even Canada.

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7114 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11291 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 5):
Also to answer your other question, yes ETOPS depend on the engine choice, but since the MAX will be offered with 1 engine only i.e. the CFM LEAP-X engine, ETOPS testing would only be required for that engine only.

Sounds good to me, thanks!
I wonder who will take this thing across the pond

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 10):
Look for WN to use theirs in Hawaii and Alaska, the Caribbean, central and S. America and maybe even Canada.

   Easy routes for WN with it.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11283 times:

CM PTY-YVR, PTY-YYC, PTY-SEA, PTY-PDX and PTY-SFO (if UA doesn't start it 1st).

Africa and/or Europe (Cape Verde, Madeira and Canary Islands) still may not be doable from PTY and run into ETOPS issues.
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) SID (16°44'29"N 22°56'58"W) 75.9° (E) 3328 nm
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) TFS (28°02'40"N 16°34'21"W) 63.1° (NE) 3715 nm
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) FNC (32°41'52"N 16°46'28"W) 57.8° (NE) 3733 nm
from www.gcmap.com



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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11174 times:
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ETOPS requires more than just engine certification. For example the current ETOPS 180 on the 73NG is restricted by firefighting capability in the cargo hold. If that was improved then the current NG's would likely be able to get a higher etops cert. I wonder if they will fix the cargo fire supression system on the MAX to allow for a higer etops rating or if they will leave it at 180


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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11065 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 13):

Where would they fly the MAX for it to need more than the current 180?



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10889 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 13):
For example the current ETOPS 180 on the 73NG is restricted by firefighting capability in the cargo hold. If that was improved then the current NG's would likely be able to get a higher etops cert. I wonder if they will fix the cargo fire supression system on the MAX to allow for a higer etops rating or if they will leave it at 180

It should be pointed out that the 737 already HAS a cargo hold fire suppression system, even in non-ETOPS configured aircraft, in accordance with regulations, blah blah. It simply doesn't exceed the 180 requirements.
That said, I'm with 817dreamliiner... where on earth would you send a 737 that needed beyond ETOPS180!?!?!
Please tell me, so that I can avoid the flight! I love me some 737, but not THAT much.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7965 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10344 times:

It's obvious that WN will use the 737 MAX on its really long routes such as US transcon flights. A good example would be LAX-BWI, which I believe is now being flown by 737-700's fitted with winglets.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4408 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10162 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 6):
Efficiency may well turn out to be the primary selling point of the MAX.

I agree 100%. It won't be used on EWR/BOS/PHL-TATL.


User currently offlinejayspilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

I assume your talking asking about original routes because in 20 years they will be flying every city pair the current fleets are flying as they will be the only new builds. the first routes will probably be the longest routes where the fuel savings will be taken advantage of the most.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9206 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 6):
How about the rst of the America's,

AM will not be crossing any oceans with its 737MAX's but I would not be surprised to see AM giving BOS and SEA another go. AM might also consider opening MEX-YVR, MEX.GYE, and maybe MEX-VVI.



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User currently offlineTbone354 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9032 times:
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Yet another "speculation" thread? It will fly where it will fly.

User currently onlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8710 times:

Quoting YankeesFan (Thread starter):
I'd say JFK-ORK.
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 7):
2/3 of the MAX aircraft can do TATL routes that the 757 can not do like fly from a small US airport on the east coast to a small western Euro airport.

These routes won't work for a simple reason. The MAX requires really long runways, probably well over over 11,000 ft. at MTOW. Cork's longest runway is 7,000 ft.. And most small western European airports don't have particularly long runways. The A320NEO might be able to do these routes. It requires a shorter runway.

This is being discussed here.

Questionable B737MAX Field Performance (by eaa3 Aug 22 2012 in Tech Ops)


User currently offlineYankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8354 times:

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 21):
These routes won't work for a simple reason. The MAX requires really long runways, probably well over over 11,000 ft. at MTOW. Cork's longest runway is 7,000 ft.. And most small western European airports don't have particularly long runways. The A320NEO might be able to do these routes. It requires a shorter runway.

This is being discussed here.

Really? Wow.......



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7209 times:

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 2):
Boeing should use these on TATL routes that can connect small UK/Ireland airports to the east coast of the USA or long domestic routes like EWR/JFK-ANC if the markets are there.

I'm fairly confident the Boeing isn't an airline.

NS


User currently offlineYankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 23):
I'm fairly confident the Boeing isn't an airline.

NS

Thanks for making me feel like a total failure AGAIN.    Well anyway the 737 MAX 7 could be used for thin TATL routes from the east coast to UK/Ireland.

[Edited 2012-09-02 23:29:43]


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User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

With 649 737 Max orders placed so far, in 10 years time they will be everywhere.

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