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Flying To TLV, Advice Wanted  
User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1602 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

In December, I'm going to Israel (this will be my 5th trip). Right now, my options are UA and DL. The prices are the same, and the departure times are about the same. UA would be out of EWR, DL would be from JFK. What's the better option? I'll be leaving between the 10th and 12th, before prices go up for Christmas.

Also...I'm going there because my best friend is becoming a father, and I'm the godfather. Which airline is easier to work with in terms of changing tickets? I'm planning to be there a month, figuring that the baby could come early or late.

Of the trips I've been on so far, three were on LY, and one on CO.

Thanks in advance,

Marc

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5828 times:

I'll try and get in before Mr 1K and Mr Medallion do!

To be honest, DL and UA have a very similar product in Y. Everything from the seat, to the food, to the entertainment options (on the sCO 777s) is fairly indivisible. Both EWR-TLV flights are operated by sCO so if you liked CO in the past then you won't have seen too much change post merger so you may as well go them again. Conversely, if you really didn't like CO then not much will have changed so you may as well try DL.

With regards to ticket flexibility, I'll leave that to somebody else. However, I'm led to believe that the two carriers don't have any major differences between their policies and it would depend more on fair paid than airline flown



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1602 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

Do the UA 777's have Channel 11 (or whatever it is where you could listen to ATC), or was that something not added when they came over from CO's fleet?

Marc


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Travel down the road from NYC to Philly and take US Airways' service, using their newer A330-200's.

The service is supposed to be very good and has been great feedback going by the trip reports on here. US Airways usually offer some good fares too!

If you are looking at buying the cheapest fare, in all honesty you have very little flexibility. I was checking on Expedia, and Turkish Airlines came out the cheapest at $969 (via IST) but their is no changes permitted what so ever, the same applies to Delta... United offer a change for $250, plus the difference in fare and it would appear US is just a straight forward $250 change fee...

Before you book a flight I would read the T&C's on changing your ticket with a fine tooth comb, with what ever airline you choose! Nearly all the tickets are non-refundable.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2702 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

I would choose CO over DL: their 777s are all refurbished.
DL flies 744s and the refurbshment of these a/c are only IN PROGRESS: if you are lucky, you can get a refurbished 744. Otherwise, you won't have IFE.
Once DL refurbishes all their 744s, both products will be (almost) identical.



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1602 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 3):
Travel down the road from NYC to Philly and take US Airways' service, using their newer A330-200's.

I actually live in Philly, and have read a TON of negative reviews of US Airways. That's why I wasn't even considering them.

Marc


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 5):
I actually live in Philly, and have read a TON of negative reviews of US Airways. That's why I wasn't even considering them.

Marc

If you have not traveled their long haul product before, I think you will be pleasantly surprised...

I think their A330's in Economy, are the best you are going to get across the Atlantic, with a US carrier. Seats are really comfy, great IFE and I find the crew on Long Haul always pleasant.

I use them from LHR/LGW/MAN to PHL/CLT and always a great ride and consistent, I do agree their internal product isn't the best and varies widely. But if connecting onwards, I find CLT the best and most pleasant hub to travel through in America, hence another reason for me being pro US Airways...


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1602 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 6):
If you have not traveled their long haul product before, I think you will be pleasantly surprised...

I have not even traveled them domestically. The only good thing I've heard about them is Sully Sullenberger.

IFE is also something I'm thinking about, as we are talking about 10 hours outbound, and up to 12 hours inbound, if I were to use US.

Marc


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1313 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

If you're willing to transit in eastern Europe and flying crappy airplanes, Transaero, Aeroflot and Aerosvit can safe up to 50% on JFK-TLV flights. I flewn transaero TLV-YYZ a year ago and saved more then $700 in comparison to direct flights.


"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2702 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

I would choose a nonstop flight


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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1602 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

So I had to make a decision the other day because prices started increasing. I was leaning toward UA, but their fare went too high for the number I had in mind. I ended up booking DL nonstop out of JFK for about $1100 + trip insurance from Travel Guard.

The trip insurance was a big deal for me because of the situation in that part of the world right now. I'm going, because my best friend who lives in Israel (and I was just there in December for his wedding), is going to be a father...and although it doesn't really mean much anymore, I've been asked to be the Godfather. He does, of course understand that if there's a war with Iran, I cancel the trip.

I do have one dumb question though. Not once during the whole booking process with Delta was I asked for my passport number. All of my other trips to Israel (which aside from Canada is the only country I've had the chance to visit), I had to provide my passport number, and this includes trips that I did not pay for, such as the two Birthright Israel trips I did. Being an international flight, shouldn't DL want to make sure I have a passport?

Marc


User currently offlineflybaby From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

Yes, Delta will need to see a passport but they can wait until before the flight to get it from you. There's a certain amount of time during which they need to send the manifest to the TSA but they usually have enough time between check in and flight time for that.

Anyway, all this said, I know you already ordered your ticket but nevertheless, I would like to reiterate what others have said... in your situation US in my opinion as well, would have been the best choice given your situation. Having flown it several times, in my experience their service to TLV is very good. New airplanes with good IFE and thanks to the flight time being fairly late in the day, almost always departs on time. Also, they usually tend to be one of the first intl' flights into PHL in the morning - meaning very little wait times at customs and immigration.

My second choice after US would have been UA - because they fly to TLV twice a day, while DL only once a day - so if there's a problem, there's more flexibility with UA.


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1602 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

Quoting flybaby (Reply 11):
My second choice after US would have been UA - because they fly to TLV twice a day, while DL only once a day - so if there's a problem, there's more flexibility with UA.

Just for kicks and giggles, I checked UA's fare last night (although I already booked with DL when the fare jumped). Now the fares are the same again. Ugh...airlines...

Marc


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

While you have already booked, I wanted to offer an endorsement of the US int'l A330 product in both Y and J. I've flown with them on the A333 and will soon take the A332. You've got AVOD at every seat (including the Y cabin), the meals are respectable, service good, safe, and on time flights. I had such a great trip with them TATL earlier this year that I booked them again (this time in Envoy both directions).

I will disclose that I am a US Gold (soon to be Platinum), but until this past march had always used LH, UA, or CO for TATL flights.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4700 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 4):
I would choose CO over DL: their 777s are all refurbished.
DL flies 744s and the refurbshment of these a/c are only IN PROGRESS: if you are lucky, you can get a refurbished 744. Otherwise, you won't have IFE.
Once DL refurbishes all their 744s, both products will be (almost) identical.

Since the last two or three DL 744s are in for refurbishment, NOW, chances are pretty good that he would get one with the new interior if he's leaving in December.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 3):
Travel down the road from NYC to Philly and take US Airways' service, using their newer A330-200's.

Or stay in NYC and try one of DL's renovated 744's. IFE nose to tail and roomier than the much smaller A330-200

Quoting LY777 (Reply 4):
DL flies 744s and the refurbshment of these a/c are only IN PROGRESS: if you are lucky, you can get a refurbished 744. Otherwise, you won't have IFE.

I believe that the last of the fleet just entered the mod shop, so your chances should be good.



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