klm672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2536 posts, RR: 3 Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6289 times:
Hello. I am flying to Germany at the end of November. This will be my first cross-the-pond flight on a US carrier. I will be flying CLE-DTW. I decided to take the early morning flight so I can explore DTW. Is there anything "fun" to do around the airport? Any good spotting areas? I am on the 6-something departure out to DTW to AMS, but I noticed a 4pm departure. I called DL to see if i could change, but of course, they would charge me $250 to change the flights. I figured, I could just try at the gate since I will be there or maybe the kiosk, but I don't want to risk losing my window seat. If I were to open up my flight details on the kiosk and change my flight, can I cancel out of it and retain my flight and window seat if I notice the 4pm flight doesn't have a window seat open?
I am flying the A330-300 on the way and -200 on the way back, any noticeable differences? How's the PTV's on delta? Food and service? I have roughly 2 hrs in AMS, is that enough time? How about enough time to visit that airplane shop (I forget the name).
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4341 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6264 times:
Read some tripreports on DL, and you know about the food (recent posts are available), if you wanted flexible flight options (e.g. changing flights) you should've bought a flexible ticket. Apparently you had a cheap ticket/fare class, so no chance. That's why they want $250 additional.
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
NWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6260 times:
The airport in DTW is located in Romulus, which is 20 minutes from Downtown. You can spot from the parking deck rooftop across from the main terminal, otherwise inside the Westin but that would require a room. Downtown Detroit and its Three Casinos should be fun for your time if you feel like leaving the airport. Theres no traffic during the hours youll be there so you can plan for 20 minutes both ways. The MGM GRAND Casino is probably the best and there are multiple great restaurants inside..Enjoy =)
usflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6203 times:
Not much to see or do in DTW. I would look for a shoter connection.
DTW does not have much airline diversity so spotting is kind of pointless.
DTW has exceptionally poor public transit links so going off airport is difficult.
Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 2): Downtown Detroit and its Three Casinos should be fun for your time if you feel like leaving the airport. Theres no traffic during the hours youll be there so you can plan for 20 minutes both ways. The MGM GRAND Casino is probably the best and there are multiple great restaurants inside..Enjoy =)
Useless without a car and I would question the safety. I have a Taiwanese friend that was mugged TWICE IN ONE DAY in downtown Detroit.
PI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6129 times:
Any change to your flight schedule will involve a fee. A confirmed change is considered a "voluntary change" and results in the $250 fee plus potentially any additional fare. A same-day change fee at the airport is at least $50, but you would know if seats were available and where they were in the cabin. You can't just "walk up and hop on" an earlier flight.
That said, the DL service once airborne will include beverages, a light snack and then a hot meal with choice of entree...usually a chicken or pasta dish, with cheese and crackers, a salad and a cookie type dessert. Free beer and wine is offered in regular Y....a full bar service complimentary is offered to Economy Comfort passengers. A light pre-arrival breakfast will be offered before landing in AMS. The same scenario for your return....likely a lunch meal and light snack/sandwich before landing. KL will offer beverages and a light snack....cookie or small sandwich. Overall, nice service for Y....and you know all the opinions about US carriers and their poor service. You won't be WOW'd with a finicky F/A preparing your tray and hovering around your every wish....but in fairness DL offers a nice service of crew and food. Both A330's are nice rides.
It might get boring, but I second the suggestion to not leave the airport. Do consider purchasing a 30 Membership to the DL SkyClub. It costs $90 in comparison to the $50 Day Pass so you could use it on the return and save $10. Nice snacks, quiet atmosphere and free booze in the SkyClub. Great way to relax and still be connected to the airport goings on through the windows. You'll have plenty of time to walk and exercise before your flight as you can exit and return to the Club at any time; however, no food permitted other than what DL is serving. Think about it. Its a nice perk to ease what it going to be a very long travel day before you put your head in a bed in BRE.
Good Luck with your trip and enjoy your ride on DL.
klm672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6118 times:
Thank you for your help, Thomas. I am not a frequent flyer, and I guess, I was under the impression I could get on an earlier flight by just showing up at the gate which the earlier flight leaves. I guess I just always hear about that on tv or in movies "I was able to take an earlier flight!". Do you think it would be benfitial to pay the $250 to get on an earlier flight (I notice as of today there are a few window seats open on the 4pm flight) which would give me more time in AMS for my somewhat-tight connection, where it counts.
Something- I am acutally visiting family an hour-ish away in Germany. My grandmother's 85th birthday!
PI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6107 times:
Keep in mind that change may cost more than $250. Additional fare collection may also apply. But....to maximize your $250 investment, change your CLE departure as well to reduce your overall trip travel time. You'll need to speak with a DL agent to determine exactly what the "additional collection" will be. The $250 is a standard change fee for international itineraries before any additional monies for a fare difference is determined based on availability and fare classes still available to sell.
Now that said, I'd be less nervous/concerned about your AMS connection. It is a great airport for connections/transit passengers and unless there was a significant delay on the DTW-AMS flight segment, you should be able to easily connect to your BRE flight within the standard connection times between DL and KL.
So I'd only consider spending $250+ if I can change my CLE departure to a later time, get on an earlier DTW-AMS and keep my current AMS-BRE flight. The agent can grab any window seats and assign for you on the call, or you can display your booking after the call and assign the seats yourself. You can also re-check seats at the 24 hour OLCI time, and at a kiosk at the airport. Changing seats and getting a new boarding card/pass at the airport is free...unless you opt to upgrade to Economy Comfort.......which you can do using a credit card to pay. Y+ is usually $80 for DTW-AMS each way.
So....spend $250+ for a change? Consider a same day change DTW-AMS for $50+? Leave itinerary as it is and buy a 30day SkyClub pass for $90 to use roundtrip? Leave everything as is, walk around and sit for hours and spend zero?
It might be easy for ME to spend YOUR MONEY, but overall what is your money situation? Is any of that extra money well spent to enhance your trip? Could it be spent better in Germany with your family?
I think you'll be fine. DL and KL will take care of you in the worst case scenario. Relax and enjoy your first trip "cross the pond" because it in itself is exciting and part of the entire adventure and experience.
Best Wishes to You and Grandmother,
N801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6097 times:
Same-day Confirmed (SDC) is only available on Delta flights for travel within the US, Canada, Puerto Rico, and The U.S. Virgin Islands. OP would have to pay the change fee and fare difference (if applicable) to move to the earlier flight.
something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6063 times:
Quoting klm672 (Reply 7): Thank you for your help, Thomas. I am not a frequent flyer, and I guess, I was under the impression I could get on an earlier flight by just showing up at the gate which the earlier flight leaves. I guess I just always hear about that on tv or in movies "I was able to take an earlier flight!". Do you think it would be benfitial to pay the $250 to get on an earlier flight (I notice as of today there are a few window seats open on the 4pm flight) which would give me more time in AMS for my somewhat-tight connection, where it counts.
$250 is a lot of money, at least to most people. Even if you had to wait for 10 hours, you'd still be ''paying'' yourself $25/hr. tax free for time you spend waiting at an airport, looking at planes. Your wait is less than 10 hours from what I gather, so you could even take a taxi to a nice restaurant and spend your time there and you'd still go out with a ''profit''.
Quoting klm672 (Reply 7): Something- I am acutally visiting family an hour-ish away in Germany. My grandmother's 85th birthday!
Interesting what kind of connections between people exist. The area is not very exciting, so I was wondering why someone would travel all the way to go there.