AngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 320 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3453 times:
Quoting gasman (Reply 2): Not according to their booking engine for March next year.
They are reverting back from 77W to 77E end of October when the 77W is moved to the 4th SIN-LHR slot. I am flying SIN-AMS in end November and it is on a 77E.
I asked SQ in AMS about a year ago when they are going to upgrade the flight, and the answer was that they (SQ AMS) asked for that many times, but no permanent upgrade was planned but they would get a 77W if a spare one is available.
My guess is that this will be one of the first A350 flights as the 77W J-class is probably not viable in AMS (same for CPH).
BTW - the 77E is still better than the 415 seat 77W which KLM flies on this route.
gasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 733 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3392 times:
Quoting AngMoh (Reply 3): BTW - the 77E is still better than the 415 seat 77W which KLM flies on this route.
Yes....but nowhere near as good as SQ's own 77W, nor NZ's 77W, nor EK's A380 etc. etc..... all a matter of where one's own personal "baseline" is I guess. Don't forget also, that this is a 13 hour flight. You'd think that assigning a premium J class product would be a priority.
Sethor From Australia, joined Oct 2011, 21 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3121 times:
I think we will see a 77W on SIN-AMS route again once SQ start getting 77W deliveries in 2013. My guess is the 8 77W's on order will replace the last of the SV* rego 777-200ER's.
nethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 985 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2991 times:
SQ 77E is still in good shape and the Business class seat (Spacebed?) on this aircraft is still above average, spacious angled lie-flat!!!
I think SQ sees AMS market/load not as lucrative as other European markets where 777-300ERs are in charge with the latest in-flight products. Just like FCO, CPH, IST and soon to be gone ATH.
Having said that, I think this comment is the answer to it all.
Quoting Sethor (Reply 5): I think we will see a 77W on SIN-AMS route again once SQ start getting 77W deliveries in 2013. My guess is the 8 77W's on order will replace the last of the SV* rego 777-200ER's.
Don't be annoyed knowing the passengers around you are non-revs and op-upgraders, be grateful for them. Life is beautifu
frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1195 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (8 months 4 days ago) and read 2805 times:
Quoting SQSFO (Reply 7): is AMS a high yielding destination?
No, at least it is not a premium fare destination. That's why CX reverts to a 2-class A343 for AMS. I expect CX to deploy their 3 class (with premium economy but without first class) 77W's at AMS as soon as they receice more (IIRC, they only have 2 of those now).
Quoting SQSFO (Reply 7):
Will the remaining SQ 77W be in the low density configuration?
That's a very interesting question. SQ's low density 77W has less seats than their 2-class 77E's, so it doesn't surprise me AMS will be downgraded to 77E again. So, it could be that SQ's new 77W's will have less premium seats to replace the 2 class 77E's. But it is also feasible SQ wants to wait for their A350s or 787s for the less premium fare destinations.
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 8): That's a very interesting question. SQ's low density 77W has less seats than their 2-class 77E's, so it doesn't surprise me AMS will be downgraded to 77E again. So, it could be that SQ's new 77W's will have less premium seats to replace the 2 class 77E's. But it is also feasible SQ wants to wait for their A350s or 787s for the less premium fare destinations.
The new 77W's due next year will likely debut the new product, so I imagine will be premium heavy to get the new seats to key markets in the US/Europe quickly. Existing aircraft will be retrofitted with the new product, so perhaps we will see a higher density configuration (potentially without F given CX's recent moves) emerge to replace the 77E's down the track.
Sethor From Australia, joined Oct 2011, 21 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2624 times:
Quoting SQSFO (Reply 7): Will the remaining SQ 77W be in the low density configuration? And now that we're on it, is AMS a high yielding destination?
IMO not really, I flew in J on AMS-SIN about a three weeks ago on the 77W & it would have been 50-60% full in J.
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 8): That's a very interesting question. SQ's low density 77W has less seats than their 2-class 77E's, so it doesn't surprise me AMS will be downgraded to 77E again. So, it could be that SQ's new 77W's will have less premium seats to replace the 2 class 77E's. But it is also feasible SQ wants to wait for their A350s or 787s for the less premium fare destinations.
The 77W's on order are going to launch new business & first class seats, I'm sure these new planes will have similar density to the ones already in the fleet.
gasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 733 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2063 times:
Quoting nethkt (Reply 6): SQ 77E is still in good shape and the Business class seat (Spacebed?) on this aircraft is still above average, spacious angled lie-flat!!!
Can't let this one go unchallenged. Anything less than a horizontal lie flat seat cannot be considered "above average" in this day and age, particularly on a 13 hour sector. Similarly, the circa 2005 IFE on these seats is anything but "above average". The only reason of course that SQ an get away with this on the SIN-AMS leg, is that KLM's J class product with its 2-3-2 config, is even worse.
Sethor From Australia, joined Oct 2011, 21 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1860 times:
Well it looks like the 77W will be back, taken from SQTalk.
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From 07JAN13 to 12MAR13, Singapore Airlines is adjusting operational aircraft on Singapore – Amsterdam route. 3 of 7 weekly flights will switch from 777-200ER to -300ER.
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