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User currently offlinejkrugman22 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 12 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Hi - long time reader, first time poster. I've noticed on flightaware DL295 occasionally making a stopover. A few days back in ANC - today in SEA. I know flightaware is not the most accurate when it comes to routing, but was wondering if anyone had any insight as to why. I'm curious since I'll be on that flight a few times over the next 3 months.

Thanks.

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User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Flagstopped in SEA today due to fuel capacity; probably heavy headwinds. ATL-NRT is a long flight...

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 1):
Flagstopped in SEA today due to fuel capacity; probably heavy headwinds. ATL-NRT is a long flight...

Is this on a 744? why don't they use a 77L?



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User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Flagstopped in SEA today due to fuel capacit

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):

376 seats full vs. 269 is probably the best answer...


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 3):
376 seats full vs. 269 is probably the best answer...

Here come the ever hated 748 question    , but do you think this could make the route better without stopping?



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2345 times:
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Stopping in SEA to take on fuel adds cost for DL. However, they are apparantly comfortable using a 744 instead of a 77L given the loads and presumably the yields.

DL seems to enjoy taking used a/c into its fleet and stretching out the life of their existing a/c. The fuel refinery will increase that benefit as their older a/c won't cost the same to fuel as say US or AA's.

A 748 on that route would be great but DL isn't springing for them.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 5):
A 748 on that route would be great but DL isn't springing for them.

That's alot of money for just one route plus you need at least 2 748's on the route and DL probably doesn't want to spend that kind of cabbage on purchasing the aircraft.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1955 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

I don't remember this route making many fuel stops the last time it was a 744. Winds must be really bad lately. The flight has been over 14 hours on some days, and that's the limit for their 747s.

User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Looks like the jet stream has been running 110 to 140 kts off Kamchatka recently. I've looked at some other NRT flights, and they are going far north, or south of their normal route.

User currently offlinelucky777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Did the MD-11 ever have to make fuel stops on the ATL-NRT runs during the winter months? I recall it having trouble on LAX-HKG but i wasn't aware of ATL-NRT having fuel issues. And yeah, the headwinds must be brutal because ATL-NRT is considerably shorter than ORD-HKG, which i know UA used to run their -400's on and still might, i'm not sure.

Perhaps the better question would be why not put a 77E on the route, while not nearly as much range as the 77L it would still have plenty of legs to make the run even with bad headwinds.


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2182 times:
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I don't think DL would want to go down to a 77E. First, they take out a lot of revenue in the form of passengers and cargo. Second, they might also take a weight penalty westbound with the winds aloft as strong as they are right now. Fourteen hours is a LONG flight for a 77E.

User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 9):
And yeah, the headwinds must be brutal because ATL-NRT is considerably shorter than ORD-HKG, which i know UA used to run their -400's on and still might, i'm not sure.

Also consider that all 744 are not created equal. NW removed the tail stabilizer fuel tanks I believe, slightly reducing the range for their 744 fleet. UA has them intact I believe.



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User currently offlinepqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

It happens very infrequently. The 744 is well-capable of ATL-NRT. The winds have been monstrous of late -- no reason though to throw the 744 off the route for the couple of times this happens every few years!

User currently offlinelucky777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 11):
Also consider that all 744 are not created equal. NW removed the tail stabilizer fuel tanks I believe, slightly reducing the range for their 744 fleet. UA has them intact I believe

Any idea how much of a range penalty that is good for?


User currently offlinejkrugman22 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

I'm curious, what drives the decision to stop in ANC vs SEA?

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5981 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 9):
And yeah, the headwinds must be brutal because ATL-NRT is considerably shorter than ORD-HKG, which i know UA used to run their -400's on and still might, i'm not sure.

UA still flies ORD-HKG with a 744 but keep in mind it takes a polar route so it may encounter less headwinds than ATL-NRT which takes a Pacific track.

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 11):
UA has them intact I believe.

They do IIRC....



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting jkrugman22 (Reply 14):
I'm curious, what drives the decision to stop in ANC vs SEA?

ANC is along the great circle route from ATL-NRT, SEA is much farther south. Even if they weren't stopping at ANC, they'd still fly right over it. Welcome to Airliners.net!



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

Quoting jkrugman22 (Reply 14):
I'm curious, what drives the decision to stop in ANC vs SEA?

They also have some significant presence at SEA too



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