VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2426 posts, RR: 9 Posted (7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2086 times:
Now that I am flying United out of EWR often, I see "some" aircraft in shades of blue among all the old globes, and they stand out like a sore thumb. I assume they are headed for Zurich and Brussells. Are the sUA, 3 class aircraft out of EWR only in "Shades", or are there more but have been painted in CO livery? In simple terms, has there been more sUA cross-fleeting than what is visible or what I know about? Also, any future cross-fleeting out of NY?
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VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2426 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1877 times:
I am at EWR right now, I have steam shooting from my ears, but I am remaining calm. This UA and CO ain't doing it for me yet. I am and have been GS for a decade. I knew everything about UA at one point. I just had an sCO person say to me as I got bumped down from F to a CO BF seat (equip problems) which I'm fine with, no big deal. Says.."our Continental Business First seat are much better than United's". What is wrong with these people? I said "I have flown in both a hundred times, and while the CO seats have a bit of storage, I find the UA seat more comfortable, so both are good in different ways". Do SQ employees dump on one of their seats over another?
Does being GS have meaning in this new world? And when do I get a 747 from EWR to Asia? Or any UHU out of NYC with Global First. My clients pay for it for flights over 8 hours. Is the hold up still pilot contacts? How do they pull off Zurich etc?
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Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8740 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1813 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 4): The bulk of the 3-class 767 and 777 are out of IAD, ORD, SFO, etc.
Other than an ORD turn to get the 763s in SFO for maintenance UA has not had any three class 767 routes to the west coast for years. They fly from IAD and ORD to europe and south america. GVA and ZRH went to 3 class 767 s right after the merger but other than that they are sticking to IAD and ORD.
MUC, EZE and IST are mostly 2 class 767s in the new configuration.
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DEN had 3 class 767s to ORD and occasionally IAD but I believe not SFO. IAH was a 2 class airplane. UA kept the 3 class 767s in the east since ther utilization was so tight after DME and ACC routes were added.
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SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1651 times:
Quoting VC10er (Reply 3): I am at EWR right now, I have steam shooting from my ears, but I am remaining calm. This UA and CO ain't doing it for me yet. I am and have been GS for a decade. I knew everything about UA at one point. I just had an sCO person say to me as I got bumped down from F to a CO BF seat (equip problems) which I'm fine with, no big deal. Says.."our Continental Business First seat are much better than United's". What is wrong with these people? I said "I have flown in both a hundred times, and while the CO seats have a bit of storage, I find the UA seat more comfortable, so both are good in different ways". Do SQ employees dump on one of their seats over another?
Does being GS have meaning in this new world? And when do I get a 747 from EWR to Asia? Or any UHU out of NYC with Global First. My clients pay for it for flights over 8 hours. Is the hold up still pilot contacts? How do they pull off Zurich etc?
I'm sorry to hear things aren't as good as they should be in EWR atm. The biz first vs Global First thing is subjective and I see no reason for them to put down one versus the other now that it is one airline.
As for 744's out of EWR, I think it unlikely that will happen. The 744's are being phased out as the leases come due and new twin birds come online. The 359's should have Global First and are intended as a direct replacement.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought a Global Services member was at the top of the food chain for UA when it comes to their Frequent Flyer program. They invite folks based on revenue criteria realized from the client which should be pretty high. In return, the GS person should be treated as close to royalty as possible.
Global First won't be as plentiful as it used to be. There are fewer clients willing to pay that kind of cash for a flight in this "new world economy." It might change in five years or so but for now, the three class aircraft will ply on those routes UA considers laden with the highest percentage of premium passengers. I would think places like Hong Kong, London, Zurich, Frankfurt, Brussels, and possibly still Tokyo would be three class worthy for UA.
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3681 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1359 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 4):
The bulk of the 3-class 767 and 777 are out of IAD, ORD, SFO, etc.
That kind of baffles me. If EWR is the "crown jewel" in the UA network - as it serves the #1 market in the USA - wouldn't they want to get 3 class in there ASAP?
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8740 posts, RR: 52 Reply 11, posted (7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1291 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 10):
That kind of baffles me. If EWR is the "crown jewel" in the UA network - as it serves the #1 market in the USA - wouldn't they want to get 3 class in there ASAP?
When it comes to revenue, that is not necessarily true. There is more demand, but also a lot more competition from EWR. ORD and IAD have less competition than EWR and yields to many markets are a bit higher. While NYC is a crown jewel in terms of demand, NYC is not necessarily a high yielding market. The same thing goes for LAX. With less competition, international flights out of IAH, IAD, ORD and SFO often have better yields. I know the topic isn't about LAX, but when I have seen the numbers from LAX, it is actually one of the lowest yielding international markets in the US. It's number 3, but for all destinations that UA serves from NRT in the US, LAX has the worst yields (even worse than HNL or SEA). EWR is similar in some ways.
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N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3681 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 11): When it comes to revenue, that is not necessarily true. There is more demand, but also a lot more competition from EWR. ORD and IAD have less competition than EWR and yields to many markets are a bit higher. While NYC is a crown jewel in terms of demand, NYC is not necessarily a high yielding market.
I was being somewhat sarcastic, but you've given good additional information!
On the "a lot more competition from EWR" point, though, I don't believe that is so. UA has complete and total dominance at EWR. If you were to add JFK/LGA to the mix then yes there is a lot of competition however, I would point out that EWR doesn't draw much traffic from east of the Hudson, so in that respect, it really is serving a completely different market than JFK/LGA and hence, back to my point that there really isn't much competition at EWR.
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1239 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 10): That kind of baffles me. If EWR is the "crown jewel" in the UA network - as it serves the #1 market in the USA - wouldn't they want to get 3 class in there ASAP?
I think I've read that SFO and IAD are equal cash cows, if not more than EWR for UA. UA makes good money at all their hubs regardless of competition: DEN, IAH, and CLE as well.
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jumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 471 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1226 times:
Interested by this thread I was keen to know what classes of service are available from EWR-LHR. So. looking at UAs website I see we mostly get 3 class 757s - plus 1 3 class 777 [ which I am glad about as I'd hate to think BRU merits a 777 and we don't .] So far so good.
Then I decided to check the fares. If I booked an F return the quoted fare was just short of £7k. If I book J the fare is something over £2k. However because the 757s have 'Business First' it seems to me that whether I book F or J I could end up sitting in the same seat !
So would UA really sell me the same seat for either 2 or 7k just depending on which button I click on their website? I definitely wouldn't be a happy bunny if I chose F and paid £5k for no benefit whatsoever. Anyone enlighten me ?
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8740 posts, RR: 52 Reply 15, posted (7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1219 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 13):
I think I've read that SFO and IAD are equal cash cows, if not more than EWR for UA. UA makes good money at all their hubs regardless of competition: DEN, IAH, and CLE as well.
Operating margin per hub is different than cash cow and quite hard to decipher. It is much easier to base margin on route. There are some very profitable routes (HKG is one of the most profitable long haul destination when I saw the data), and some less profitable routes. LAX-NRT and IAD-CDG were some of the lowest yielding routes. Trying to decide what is most profitable based hub is not very easy. DEN has virtually no international traffic, and relatively low domestic F demand, so its margin will show very low. Also, SFO and IAD do not have huge domestic networks like IAH, DEN or ORD, so they will have higher margins as well.
Quoting jumpjets (Reply 14): Interested by this thread I was keen to know what classes of service are available from EWR-LHR. So. looking at UAs website I see we mostly get 3 class 757s - plus 1 3 class 777 [ which I am glad about as I'd hate to think BRU merits a 777 and we don't .] So far so good.
Then I decided to check the fares. If I booked an F return the quoted fare was just short of £7k. If I book J the fare is something over £2k. However because the 757s have 'Business First' it seems to me that whether I book F or J I could end up sitting in the same seat !
So would UA really sell me the same seat for either 2 or 7k just depending on which button I click on their website? I definitely wouldn't be a happy bunny if I chose F and paid £5k for no benefit whatsoever. Anyone enlighten me ?
It is quite complicated on how the fares show. It should be clearer. You will end up paying the same for your BusinessFirst seat from EWR to LHR. There are no nonstop GlobalFirst seats. If you do a quick search requesting GlobalFirst, it will give you options for connecting flights through IAD that offer GlobalFirst at GlobalFirst prices and it gives you options for nonstop in BusinessFirst. If you pick a BusinessFirst flight on the first screen, it will lower the price on the return flight for you (it had assumed you wanted to connect in IAD to get GlobalFirst). If you go through the screens and select the nonstop flights, the first two pages will be misleading, but the end price is the same.
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.] So far so good.
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