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Wide-bodies On Domestic And Intra-European Flights  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2723 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11101 times:

Hi all,

I know we have discussed it many times, but I was wondering which European airlines still operate wide bodies on their domestic and European flights.
In the 80s, many flights were operated by wide-bodies: AF, LH, IB with their A300s for example.

Unfortunately, most of these flights are now operated by A32X (or at best 737NGs mainly for LCC), and this is very boring.

Which European airlines still operate widebodies on these routes?

I can think of BA with their 763Domestic but they are due to leave soon AFAIK
TK also operates some A330s, assuming TK is a European airline.

Is there a possibilty that we see more wide-body operations intra-Europe?


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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2751 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10968 times:
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- During the summer months Aeroflot operates into Larnaca using either their B767-300, A330-300 or IL-96. I believe it is the flight that departs Moscow at around 05:00.

- British Airways operates into Larnaca with their B767-300 and if I am not mistaken they also fly them into Athens, Istanbul, Madrid (not sure) and Stockholm.

- Doesn't Iberia fly their A340s into London Heathrow?


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10905 times:

AB has a few high-density A333's which they fly from Germany to PMI and the Canaries.

TK does indeed send some widebodies to Europe, they are quite flexible with their fleet depending on demand, so it's often difficult to know where these will go. It's mostly A330's but also A343 and the occasional 77W.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 1):
- During the summer months Aeroflot operates into Larnaca using either their B767-300, A330-300 or IL-96. I believe it is the flight that departs Moscow at around 05:00.

I believe it's several widebody flights a day during the summer, equipment varies depending on which day it is. I flew an IL-96 on the SVO-LCA route this summer and that departure time was 15:30.
Il-96 With Aeroflot: ARN-TLL-SVO-LCA-ARN (by deltamartin Sep 12 2012 in Trip Reports)
If I remember correctly, when booking, the other SU flights that day were operated by another IL-96 and an A333.

SU also sends widebodies to AYT, IST and next summer also a destination on the Canary Islands IIRC.

Martin


User currently offline02hilliert From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10873 times:

They are so often forgotten in discussions like this, but Monarch regularly use A300s and A330s on short-haul flights within Europe, with the most popular destinations being AGP / PMI / TFS / ACE / DLM / LCA / PFO.


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10858 times:

It is a shma wedon't see more widebodies on these routes like in Asia, where flying 777s on a 2 hour flight is very frequent.


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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10860 times:

From FRA, I can think of the following flights:

BA: FRA-LHR (763)
LA: FRA-MAD (A343, soon 788)
KU: FRA-GVA (A306)
AB: FRA-PMI (A333 in summer)
TK: FRA-IST (A333, occasionally)
DE: FRA to bigger European destinations (763 occasionally)


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2890 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10825 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 1):
- Doesn't Iberia fly their A340s into London Heathrow?

And also to Tenerife and Gran Canaria.

[Edited 2012-10-31 06:32:06]


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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1850 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10816 times:

IB operates daily or very often A340´s to LHR, Gran Canaria, Tenerife, sometimes to Barcelona.

BA operates B763 to MAD and BCN quite often, also B744 to Moscow and even B763.

Lan Chile operates MAD-FRA on A340 and soon it will be B787.


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2751 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10800 times:
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Quoting UALWN (Reply 6):

Thanks for that.

Doesn't Kuwait Airways also fly an intra-European route?


User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10677 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 8):
Doesn't Kuwait Airways also fly an intra-European route?

According to http://www.kuwaitairways.com/map.html they fly FRA-GVA, CDG-GVA and CDG-FCO.


User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1096 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10660 times:

Transaero also sends widebodies (including B747) to Spanish destinations, at least DME-BCN.

User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10505 times:

Yes, the intra-European skies became dreadfully boring - i mean, we're in a time where an A321 looks somewhat exotic... (compared to the never-ending twins of B737/319/320). Very sad indeed. I was about to point out that the main airlines having some wide-bodies around Europe are IB (the LHR flights) and SU. Some years ago i remember SU sending their Il-96 to BEG in periods of high demand but now if the 2/3 daily flights are full, they'll remain full - there'll be no capacity upgrade.

User currently offlinetolmachevo From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10441 times:

I think EI also use A333 on DUB-AGP on occasion, it somehow fits in between the arrival of the aircraft from the U.S. in the early morning and the return departure in the afternoon...

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User currently onlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10441 times:

BA operate 767s on certain peak services from LHR to GLA and EDI - but not daily if I recall correctly.

User currently offlineBAW217 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10404 times:

BA's winter 767 usage within Europe is as follows:

15x Weekly - Edinburgh (Mon-Sat BA1434/1441, Mon-Fri and Sun BA1464, Sat BA1456, Daily BA1435, Sun BA1442/1445 & BA1452/1459)
11x Weekly - Glasgow (Mon-Sat BA1484/1489 & Mon-Fri BA1492/1497)
6x Weekly - Amsterdam (Mon-Wed & Fri-Sun BA428/429)
Daily - Athens (BA632/633)
6x Weekly - Copenhagen (Mon-Fri & Sun BA818/819)
Daily - Frankfurt (BA902/903)
Daily - Istanbul (BA676/677)
Daily - Larnaca (BA662/663)
Daily - Madrid (BA456/457)
Daily - Stockholm (BA780/781)


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4385 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10359 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 7):
BA operates B763 to MAD and BCN quite often, also B744 to Moscow and even B763.

Wow, I did not realize that BA used a 744 on their Moscow route. Why, do they have that much traffic on that route?



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User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10288 times:

Quoting tolmachevo (Reply 12):

Yes, Aer Lingus use an A333 on DUB-AGP every day during IATA summer season on the EI582/583 rotation. The aircraft arrives from JFK or BOS, departs for Malaga, and after arrival back at Dublin, operates the last departure to JFK, the EI109.



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1850 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10147 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 16):
Wow, I did not realize that BA used a 744 on their Moscow route. Why, do they have that much traffic on that route?

It´s a new rotation, they used to operate B767 in the route, Must be because of cargo and Good premium and high Yield load, and now we know that VS will not be in the route, the rights went to Easyjet, so i´m sure it´s even better for BA.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 10):
Transaero also sends widebodies (including B747) to Spanish destinations, at least DME-BCN.

Not only Transaero, but some other Russian airlines fly the widebodies to Spain, Il-86/96 and Airbus 300/310 (Siberia Airlines), i´m not sure if they still do it but they used to, I remember seeing them in BCN.

I´m not sure if you want to talk about Cargo airlines but many of them also fly widebodies in european routes from A300´s to B747´s.

Then many airlines fly them in charter operation like Thomas Cook, Pullmantur.....


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2751 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9917 times:
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Quoting BAW217 (Reply 15):
6x Weekly - Copenhagen (Mon-Fri & Sun BA818/819)

Since when was a B767-300 operated into Copenhagen? Is this new?


User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9881 times:

EK flies an A332 between MLA and LCA.
I might actually take that flight in April...  



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User currently offlineBAW217 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9836 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 19):
Since when was a B767-300 operated into Copenhagen? Is this new?

Yes, started this week at the beginning of the winter scheduling season.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25843 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9786 times:

Quoting LH422 (Reply 9):

According to http://www.kuwaitairways.com/map.html they fly FRA-GVA, CDG-GVA and CDG-FCO.

Only FRA-GVA (2 x week) and CDG-FCO (4 x week) appear to currently operate. All shown as A300-600.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 5):
From FRA, I can think of the following flights:

BA: FRA-LHR (763)
LA: FRA-MAD (A343, soon 788)
KU: FRA-GVA (A306)
AB: FRA-PMI (A333 in summer)
TK: FRA-IST (A333, occasionally)
DE: FRA to bigger European destinations (763 occasionally)

And from MUC, daily SQ 77W MUC-MAN.


User currently offlineflyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9636 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 18):
I´m not sure if you want to talk about Cargo airlines but many of them also fly widebodies in european routes from A300´s to B747´s.

In/out of AMS I know the following;

CZ 77X AMS-VIE
SQ 74Y LHR-AMS
SQ 74Y AMS-CPH
KE 74Y AMS-ARN
RU 74Y AMS-DME
RU 74Y AMS-SVO
KZ 74Y AMS-MXP
UC 77X AMS-FRA
EK 74Y AMS-GOT
MP M1F AMS-TFS
MP M1F AMS-LPA
CX 74Y FRA-AMS
DHL AB6 LEJ-AMS


User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9377 times:

I thought BA also sent a 767 to ATH at least during summer. TK sends A330s to LHR once a day. For a while KL used an A330 once a day to LHR not too long ago, but I do not think they do that anymore. IB sends an A340 to LHR occasionally

Does SQ still do the MUC-MAN 5th freedom flight, but it is not a European airline

I do agree so much of Europe is an endless parade of the 737 319 and 320. At least in the US we are treated to an occasional 757. And I will agree with the others is that I love flying in Asia as it is like 90% widebodies, you have so many airlines without a single narrowbody.


User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9448 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 13):
What year did Aeroflot send their IL-96s to Belgrade? I have never seen/heard of an IL-96 being scheduled to BEG, and I have been closely following aviation movements in Belgrade.

As i carefully said, it wasn't scheduled but it was an occasional upgrade, on busy summer days and especially in the winter when the flights would be disrupted for a day due to low visibility (fog) before BEG got CAT IIIb. I was simply commenting that in comparable situations today or last winter for instance, when flights to Moscow were totally booked for 2-3 days ahead and it was impossible to get a place, no capacity up-gauge occurred whatsoever. I guess it's more profitable to have 3 narrow-bodies a day operate the route instead of one wide-body and one narrow-body, especially when it comes to the Il-96.


25 Post contains links TJCAB : ...and Aeroflot IL 86/96's and A330's to Saltzburg during the Ski season database search
26 Mattuk : TOM also operate a lot of 763 flights ex LGW & MAN to a variety of destinations in Europe.
27 aviateur : It's funny, how the idea of widebodied planes on short-haul routes seems so odd nowadays. Not all that long ago, be it in Europe or the US, widebodies
28 ju068 : It is because of cargo demand as is the case with Stockholm or is there passenger demand? There is also Air China's flight from Athens to Munich, ope
29 Post contains links CARST : There was this thread I started in 2011 about all the 5th freedom flights in Europe, most of them are still being flown, perhaps even some new ones ex
30 MHG : If the B 757-300 counts as a widebody then Condor has lots of these intra european flights ... I don´t think they´re gonna leave soon as BA just mad
31 nicode : There is also UX between MAD and PMI with an A332.
32 goldorak : AF flies a 77W to BIA during the very busy summer period
33 ju068 : Well if we are also including charter flights then there are a bunch of Russian carriers flying their widebodies into Cyprus. Transaero regularly send
34 Post contains links debonair : AFAIK AB will retire ALL A333 at the end of the summer season and replacing them with more A332 (e.g. ex MERIDIANAfly). I doubt we will see much A332
35 EagleBoy : B757 is a narrow body....[Edited 2012-11-01 04:02:32]
36 Post contains links TurkishWings : You really do not need to "assume". Here's your proof... http://www.aea.be/about/memberairlines/index.html
37 Tupolev160 : Well TK is not an European airline anyway so there is really no space for arguing about anything of the type.
38 Tupolev160 : Besides, if we're talking of LCA, i would like to mention another slight off-topic, the largest scheduled plane for an Euro-Mediterranean flight certa
39 TurkishWings : You are of course entitled to your opinion wrong as it may be but why the hostility?
40 Tupolev160 : When i say "arguing" i am not about hostility. I was just meaning that there is no point of two of you to argue regarding the issue whatsoever, given
41 Turkish350XWB : The legal fact as stated is: TK is a european airline. If you like it or not.
42 Semaex : Their 757s regularly fly to Southern European destinations, although I'm not sure whether 757s count as widebodies, my aoplogies. Correct me if I'm w
43 Post contains images LH422 : My definition of a widebody is that it has a fuselage that is wide enough to fit two aisles. The narrowest wide body would therefore be the 767. I fo
44 debonair : Back to topic... True, and many other intra-European routes, but unfortunately without traffic rights!
45 VV701 : Lots of space. The TK HQ is located at Ataturk Airport in Yesilkoy, Bakırkoy, Istanbul. Ataturk Airport (IST) is geographically situated on the west
46 Post contains images Tupolev160 : Where is that "legally stated", can you enlighten me please? Did the UN and world-geographers recognize Anatolia as part of Europe? Excuse me but is
47 Turkish350XWB : And what is even more important: TK is member of the "Association of European Airlines AEA" Man, take your head out the sand and have a look around:
48 Viscount724 : "Legal" isn't the best word, but TK has always considered themselves a European carrier, and IATA and other airline industry traffic statistics alway
49 Post contains links and images VV701 : It is Turkish Airlines (TK) or Turk Hava Yollari in Turkish. The full address of its HQ is: Turk Hava Yollari General Administration Building Ataturk
50 acidradio : (whistle blows!) OK folks. We are degrading into an unnecessary cat-fight about whether Turkish Airlines is a European airline, or for that matter wh
51 ushermittwoch : Good point. But just to go back to the off-topic discussion, SU is always regarded as a European airline on here, whereas technically Russia is mainly
52 ju068 : 20% of Azerbaijan is geographically in Europe so maybe we can even consider their flights to Istanbul which are at times operated by a B767-300.
53 Tupolev160 : Ok, so i guess if the new Istanbul airport will be built on the Anatolian side and their headquarters as well as main operational/technical hub reloca
54 Tupolev160 : Btw, TK is also the code for AnadoluJet, based at ESB and headquartered in Ankara, parent company of whose is Turkish Airlines. But you'll also say th
55 ju068 : On this forum Turkish Airlines is considered a European airline because it is fully integrated within the European aviation scene. There is no more p
56 TK1244 : We understand your opinion now, can we please continue with the original discussion???[Edited 2012-11-02 04:13:40]
57 leftyboarder : For all intents and purposes, Turkish aviation is integrated into European aviation scheme. This also includes, as has been noted but you've failed t
58 TurkishWings : This is one of the reasons why I called your previous comments "hostile". Because obviously you have a problem with Turkey. This thread has long gone
59 ju068 : I am sorry but I do not agree with you. Why should the topic be closed just because of one user? Also, yes, one can simply google the result for this
60 VV701 : Pity you choose to reply to threads that you have not read[properly. You said: I replied You have now said Why should I? Where have I said that I thin
61 n729pa : Can we quit talking about the origins/status of Turkish Airlines - if you want to do that please go and start a new thread and let the rest of us get
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