LY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2565 posts, RR: 2 Posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9616 times:
I know we have discussed it many times, but I was wondering which European airlines still operate wide bodies on their domestic and European flights.
In the 80s, many flights were operated by wide-bodies: AF, LH, IB with their A300s for example.
Unfortunately, most of these flights are now operated by A32X (or at best 737NGs mainly for LCC), and this is very boring.
Which European airlines still operate widebodies on these routes?
I can think of BA with their 763Domestic but they are due to leave soon AFAIK
TK also operates some A330s, assuming TK is a European airline.
Is there a possibilty that we see more wide-body operations intra-Europe?
deltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1060 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days ago) and read 9420 times:
AB has a few high-density A333's which they fly from Germany to PMI and the Canaries.
TK does indeed send some widebodies to Europe, they are quite flexible with their fleet depending on demand, so it's often difficult to know where these will go. It's mostly A330's but also A343 and the occasional 77W.
Quoting ju068 (Reply 1): - During the summer months Aeroflot operates into Larnaca using either their B767-300, A330-300 or IL-96. I believe it is the flight that departs Moscow at around 05:00.
I believe it's several widebody flights a day during the summer, equipment varies depending on which day it is. I flew an IL-96 on the SVO-LCA route this summer and that departure time was 15:30. Il-96 With Aeroflot: ARN-TLL-SVO-LCA-ARN (by deltamartin Sep 12 2012 in Trip Reports)
If I remember correctly, when booking, the other SU flights that day were operated by another IL-96 and an A333.
SU also sends widebodies to AYT, IST and next summer also a destination on the Canary Islands IIRC.
02hilliert From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 493 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days ago) and read 9388 times:
They are so often forgotten in discussions like this, but Monarch regularly use A300s and A330s on short-haul flights within Europe, with the most popular destinations being AGP / PMI / TFS / ACE / DLM / LCA / PFO.
Tupolev160 From Ukraine, joined Oct 2011, 413 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9019 times:
Yes, the intra-European skies became dreadfully boring - i mean, we're in a time where an A321 looks somewhat exotic... (compared to the never-ending twins of B737/319/320). Very sad indeed. I was about to point out that the main airlines having some wide-bodies around Europe are IB (the LHR flights) and SU. Some years ago i remember SU sending their Il-96 to BEG in periods of high demand but now if the 2/3 daily flights are full, they'll remain full - there'll be no capacity upgrade.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
Yes, Aer Lingus use an A333 on DUB-AGP every day during IATA summer season on the EI582/583 rotation. The aircraft arrives from JFK or BOS, departs for Malaga, and after arrival back at Dublin, operates the last departure to JFK, the EI109.
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1406 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8662 times:
Quoting brilondon (Reply 16): Wow, I did not realize that BA used a 744 on their Moscow route. Why, do they have that much traffic on that route?
It´s a new rotation, they used to operate B767 in the route, Must be because of cargo and Good premium and high Yield load, and now we know that VS will not be in the route, the rights went to Easyjet, so i´m sure it´s even better for BA.
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 10): Transaero also sends widebodies (including B747) to Spanish destinations, at least DME-BCN.
Not only Transaero, but some other Russian airlines fly the widebodies to Spain, Il-86/96 and Airbus 300/310 (Siberia Airlines), i´m not sure if they still do it but they used to, I remember seeing them in BCN.
I´m not sure if you want to talk about Cargo airlines but many of them also fly widebodies in european routes from A300´s to B747´s.
Then many airlines fly them in charter operation like Thomas Cook, Pullmantur.....
ordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 628 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7892 times:
I thought BA also sent a 767 to ATH at least during summer. TK sends A330s to LHR once a day. For a while KL used an A330 once a day to LHR not too long ago, but I do not think they do that anymore. IB sends an A340 to LHR occasionally
Does SQ still do the MUC-MAN 5th freedom flight, but it is not a European airline
I do agree so much of Europe is an endless parade of the 737 319 and 320. At least in the US we are treated to an occasional 757. And I will agree with the others is that I love flying in Asia as it is like 90% widebodies, you have so many airlines without a single narrowbody.
Tupolev160 From Ukraine, joined Oct 2011, 413 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7963 times:
Quoting ju068 (Reply 13): What year did Aeroflot send their IL-96s to Belgrade? I have never seen/heard of an IL-96 being scheduled to BEG, and I have been closely following aviation movements in Belgrade.
As i carefully said, it wasn't scheduled but it was an occasional upgrade, on busy summer days and especially in the winter when the flights would be disrupted for a day due to low visibility (fog) before BEG got CAT IIIb. I was simply commenting that in comparable situations today or last winter for instance, when flights to Moscow were totally booked for 2-3 days ahead and it was impossible to get a place, no capacity up-gauge occurred whatsoever. I guess it's more profitable to have 3 narrow-bodies a day operate the route instead of one wide-body and one narrow-body, especially when it comes to the Il-96.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
25 TJCAB: ...and Aeroflot IL 86/96's and A330's to Saltzburg during the Ski season database search
26 Mattuk: TOM also operate a lot of 763 flights ex LGW & MAN to a variety of destinations in Europe.
27 aviateur: It's funny, how the idea of widebodied planes on short-haul routes seems so odd nowadays. Not all that long ago, be it in Europe or the US, widebodies
28 ju068: It is because of cargo demand as is the case with Stockholm or is there passenger demand? There is also Air China's flight from Athens to Munich, ope
29 CARST: There was this thread I started in 2011 about all the 5th freedom flights in Europe, most of them are still being flown, perhaps even some new ones ex
30 MHG: If the B 757-300 counts as a widebody then Condor has lots of these intra european flights ... I don´t think they´re gonna leave soon as BA just mad
31 nicode: There is also UX between MAD and PMI with an A332.
32 goldorak: AF flies a 77W to BIA during the very busy summer period
33 ju068: Well if we are also including charter flights then there are a bunch of Russian carriers flying their widebodies into Cyprus. Transaero regularly send
34 debonair: AFAIK AB will retire ALL A333 at the end of the summer season and replacing them with more A332 (e.g. ex MERIDIANAfly). I doubt we will see much A332
35 EagleBoy: B757 is a narrow body....[Edited 2012-11-01 04:02:32]
36 TurkishWings: You really do not need to "assume". Here's your proof... http://www.aea.be/about/memberairlines/index.html
37 Tupolev160: Well TK is not an European airline anyway so there is really no space for arguing about anything of the type.
38 Tupolev160: Besides, if we're talking of LCA, i would like to mention another slight off-topic, the largest scheduled plane for an Euro-Mediterranean flight certa
39 TurkishWings: You are of course entitled to your opinion wrong as it may be but why the hostility?
40 Tupolev160: When i say "arguing" i am not about hostility. I was just meaning that there is no point of two of you to argue regarding the issue whatsoever, given
41 Turkish350XWB: The legal fact as stated is: TK is a european airline. If you like it or not.
42 Semaex: Their 757s regularly fly to Southern European destinations, although I'm not sure whether 757s count as widebodies, my aoplogies. Correct me if I'm w
43 LH422: My definition of a widebody is that it has a fuselage that is wide enough to fit two aisles. The narrowest wide body would therefore be the 767. I fo
44 debonair: Back to topic... True, and many other intra-European routes, but unfortunately without traffic rights!
45 VV701: Lots of space. The TK HQ is located at Ataturk Airport in Yesilkoy, Bakırkoy, Istanbul. Ataturk Airport (IST) is geographically situated on the west
46 Tupolev160: Where is that "legally stated", can you enlighten me please? Did the UN and world-geographers recognize Anatolia as part of Europe? Excuse me but is
47 Turkish350XWB: And what is even more important: TK is member of the "Association of European Airlines AEA" Man, take your head out the sand and have a look around:
48 Viscount724: "Legal" isn't the best word, but TK has always considered themselves a European carrier, and IATA and other airline industry traffic statistics alway
49 VV701: It is Turkish Airlines (TK) or Turk Hava Yollari in Turkish. The full address of its HQ is: Turk Hava Yollari General Administration Building Ataturk
50 acidradio: (whistle blows!) OK folks. We are degrading into an unnecessary cat-fight about whether Turkish Airlines is a European airline, or for that matter wh
51 ushermittwoch: Good point. But just to go back to the off-topic discussion, SU is always regarded as a European airline on here, whereas technically Russia is mainly
52 ju068: 20% of Azerbaijan is geographically in Europe so maybe we can even consider their flights to Istanbul which are at times operated by a B767-300.
53 Tupolev160: Ok, so i guess if the new Istanbul airport will be built on the Anatolian side and their headquarters as well as main operational/technical hub reloca
54 Tupolev160: Btw, TK is also the code for AnadoluJet, based at ESB and headquartered in Ankara, parent company of whose is Turkish Airlines. But you'll also say th
55 ju068: On this forum Turkish Airlines is considered a European airline because it is fully integrated within the European aviation scene. There is no more p
56 TK1244: We understand your opinion now, can we please continue with the original discussion???[Edited 2012-11-02 04:13:40]
57 leftyboarder: For all intents and purposes, Turkish aviation is integrated into European aviation scheme. This also includes, as has been noted but you've failed t
58 TurkishWings: This is one of the reasons why I called your previous comments "hostile". Because obviously you have a problem with Turkey. This thread has long gone
59 ju068: I am sorry but I do not agree with you. Why should the topic be closed just because of one user? Also, yes, one can simply google the result for this
60 VV701: Pity you choose to reply to threads that you have not read[properly. You said: I replied You have now said Why should I? Where have I said that I thin
61 n729pa: Can we quit talking about the origins/status of Turkish Airlines - if you want to do that please go and start a new thread and let the rest of us get