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Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leave  
User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

Back in the days of Concorde, it was easy to arrive at your destination way before you left, local time, if you went westbound. Today, crossing the date line eastbound will obviously make you arrive before you left, but I'm asking about westbound flights (chasing the sun) where this happens. Obviously subsonic planes can't fly faster than the earth's rotation, but some flights that fly very northerly or southerly routes, or have their origin and destination close to time zone boundaries, could do the same. For example Paris-London or Amsterdam-London flights usually arrive before they leave, but in the schedule they are longer than 1h because of schedule padding.

Here's the closest thing I could find: AF5238, ANR-LCY, 1735-1735

Are there any flights scheduled at less flying time than the time difference?

Soren  

Edit: I found one! BA879, LED 18:05, LHR 17:40
Who can find others?

[Edited 2012-11-26 13:17:04]


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User currently offlineRushmoreAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

A few that I know of into ORD (right on Eastern/Central Boundary)

AA 4025 AZO-ORD 1105-1105
UA 5408 MKG-ORD 1153-1145
UA 3545 SBN-ORD 1519-1506



UA DL F9 CO WN LO QF FI AC MU CA EU LH
User currently offlineicelander From Iceland, joined Dec 2011, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

FI 679, KEF-ANC , 17:10-16:20

there is no DST in Iceland, I have no idea whether or not there is in Alaska.

Mark.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

Since Russia decided to stay on summer time year-round starting a year or two ago, it means there's now a 3-hour time difference during the winter between points like Moscow and St. Petersburg and most neighbouring countries to the west, and countries that previously only had a 1-hour time difference like Finland now have a 2-hour difference. Many flights are shorter than 3 hours so there are now many flights from Russia to other points in Europe that arrive before they leave.

It's especially noticeable on shorthaul sectors like LED-HEL (162 nm) where the 2-hour time difference means flights arrive slightly more than one hour before they leave (and in the other direction take about 3 hours by the clock).

LED-HEL AY166 1335-1230
LED-HEL AY170 1725-1620

HEL-LED AY165 0950-1250
HEL-LED AY169 1355-1650

Another example, Moscow-Stockholm (661 nm) with 3-hour time difference and flight time a little over 2 hours.

SVO-ARN SU2210 1145-1105
SVO-ARN SK731 1655-1615
SVO-ARN SU2386 2140-2105

ARN-SVO SK730 1050-1555
ARN-SVO SU2211 1205-1715
ARN-SVO SU2387 1055-1610

There must also be some strange examples between points in western China and neighbouring countries since all of China uses the same time zone and it's a fairly wide country.


User currently offlineicelander From Iceland, joined Dec 2011, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

an even sillier example....

NY291, RKV-KUS, 12:00-10:55, in a Dash 8 or a Fokker 50 !!
(that's Reykjavik, Iceland to Kulusuk, Greenland)

Mark  


User currently offlineicelander From Iceland, joined Dec 2011, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5620 times:

Basically, as you pointed out Soren, the further north you get, the more likely this becomes. A hypothetical flight from LYR-YLT is just over 2 hours long, but you go back almost 4 hours in time.

I could also walk around the northpole in a few seconds, and cover 24 hours  

Interesting question though. It was fun investigating  

Mark.


User currently offlineskiaplg From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2012, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5610 times:

China's one time zone does indeed have interesting consequences...

KC 988, URC - ALA, 4:15 - 4:05 (A321)
CZ 6011 URC - ALA, 21:00 - 20:30 (B737)

Elsewhere, in the Caribbean, I've found a Tortug'air flight 1611 from the Dominican Republic to Haiti: JQB - PAP 10:15-10:00

Malaysia Airlines 860 from KUL - MES is scheduled to arrive at the same time as it departs 8:25 - 8:25

It was indeed fun investigating for a little while...

[Edited 2012-11-26 16:04:55]

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8725 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

Interesting topic, some of those flights would be very tempting - if not for financial reasons.  Smile

I have fond memories of this one:



Alas, AeroSur is no more and AFAIK, nobody has taken over the route.

[Edited 2012-11-26 16:41:42]


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User currently offlineskiaplg From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2012, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5566 times:

Línea Aérea Amaszonas seems to fly that route (Z8 500), but seems to be flying LBP-CUZ with a CRJ-200, with the flight time from 10:05 to 10:05

[Edited 2012-11-26 17:55:21]

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3151 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

LA's MDZ-SCL flights arrive before they leave, so to speak. It's a 90 mile flight and crosses a time zone (and international border).

User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5482 times:

Here in Australia, Flights between Darwin, NT and Kununurra, WA have an arrival time earlier than the departure time due to a time difference of 1hr 30min.

DRW-KNX Airnorth TL332 10:50 10:20 1hr 00min E170
DRW-KNX Airnorth TL304 15:15 15:00 1hr 15min E120


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Here's the closest thing I could find: AF5238, ANR-LCY, 1735-1735

The new AMS-MSE flight arrives 5 minute before it leaves.

One day I'd love to have a New Year party in Australia or New Zealand, then fly back into the last year and do it all over again in Hawaii or somewhere.


Dan  



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8725 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

DNR-GCI on Aurigny's Trislander is a short 35 minute hop, so it arrives 25 minutes before it departs.


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User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

It varies by day, but DL's SLC-EKO often times arrives minutes before it left. More consistently however, is UA's YUM-LAX during DST.

[Edited 2012-11-27 23:48:39]


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User currently offlinem1m2 From Canada, joined Dec 2011, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5298 times:

AC 034 leaves SYD at 12:15pm and gets in YVR at 7:07 am. Time travel at it's finest! Oops, that's Eastbound, that's what I get for posting this early in the morning.

[Edited 2012-11-28 01:50:28]

User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6867 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5233 times:

Any nonstop from Japan to Hawaii, or California... maybe Chicago too?

User currently offlinenicode From France, joined May 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5218 times:

With Air China :
LXA - KTM : 11:45 - 11:10

With Surinam Airways :
PBM - GEO : 10:00 - 09:45


User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5212 times:
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SQ12, NRT-1850
LAX-1150

its applies to any nonstop NRT to LAX- be advised it only occurs because the plane flies over the International Date Line and the flight is actually 10 hours in length- as of right now.



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User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 15):
Any nonstop from Japan to Hawaii, or California... maybe Chicago too?
Quoting web500sjc (Reply 17):
its applies to any nonstop NRT to LAX- be advised it only occurs because the plane flies over the International Date Line and the flight is actually 10 hours in length- as of right now.

Wasn't the original poster asking about westbound flights? Obviously eastbound flights that cross the International Date Line have a favorable chance of arriving "before" they left.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6341 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

My colleague flies DL from ATL-HSV regularly and it's not unusual for arrival time to be scheduled as 2 to 5 minutes before departure time, with actual arrival time sometimes more.

User currently offlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Any DPS to SUB flight in Indonesia also does this. SUB is 1 hour behind DPS and the flight time around 40-50 mins


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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4851 times:
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Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 18):

Sorry thoit it was any flight that "arrived" before they left.



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User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

PY PBM to GEO Tuesday and Saturday 737-300, Departs 10:00, arrives 9:45


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User currently offlinesaleya22r From France, joined Mar 2007, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4498 times:
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TKU-ARN: for example SK 2721 0850-0835
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