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Which Regional Airline Reigns Supreme  
User currently offlinewomenbeshoppin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 8 months 6 days ago) and read 4342 times:

Like the title says, Which regional airline is the best? Has the best chance of surviving, has the most capital, best aircraft and flying contract, and ground contracts. I have heard a lot of good things about skywest and Air Wisconsin. Would be interesting to hear the responses. Thanks.

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User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days ago) and read 4318 times:

There's no answer.

Things change, too quickly and drastically. Today's "best" regional is tomorrow's failure. Comair was, at one time, among the "best" and most highly-respected regionals out there. Now they don't exist. (And Air Wisconsin isn't half the airline it once was, so I'm not sure where you're going with that one.)

This is the airlines for you, big or small. On the major level, Eastern was once considered * the * airline to work for. A few years later, they were done.


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User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days ago) and read 4297 times:

My vote would be for Horizon. Their reliability and cost structure has really been turned around and they have a solid product.

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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1117 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Skywest has always been really nice to fly when I am in the US and am connecting from LH or OS.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 2):
My vote would be for Horizon.

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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

I have to give SkyWest my vote as the flights I have had with them have great from both the airplane and crew side to having the good fortune of being on time.

I go back some here, but CO Express (ExpressJet) 10 years ago was in my mind one of the top two or three. They provided an almost seamless transition from mainline CO product which was a very nice offering to a passenger that flew them often. Their ops training seemed to be taken directly from the CO ops training from what I was told by CO pilots who flew on their jump seats from time to time, even to the point that he thought he was flying on his own airline from their call outs being almost the same.



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User currently onlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 5):
I have to give SkyWest my vote as the flights I have had with them have great from both the airplane and crew side to having the good fortune of being on time.

I go back some here, but CO Express (ExpressJet) 10 years ago was in my mind one of the top two or three. They provided an almost seamless transition from mainline CO product which was a very nice offering to a passenger that flew them often. Their ops training seemed to be taken directly from the CO ops training from what I was told by CO pilots who flew on their jump seats from time to time, even to the point that he thought he was flying on his own airline from their call outs being almost the same.

I agree with the SkyWest but not with ExpressJet, maybe I am a little a jaded in that I had to use ExpressJet to IAH from YYZ. I was on that flight for over four hours and the ERJ-145 was not a treat.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 2):

Can't disagree here. I've flown a couple of Horizon flights in the last couple of weeks, and thoroughly enjoyed both flights. The crews were playful, professional, and made both hour-long flights enjoyable. One of them accidentally talked about the plane "going down," as opposed to descending, which drew considerable laughter upon her correction.

They're really the only one that I've flown in recent memory that "stands out," so I'd definitely vote for them.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently onlineKGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

Quoting aviateur (Reply 1):
Things change, too quickly and drastically. Today's "best" regional is tomorrow's failure. Comair was, at one time, among the "best" and most highly-respected regionals out there. Now they don't exist. (And Air Wisconsin isn't half the airline it once was, so I'm not sure where you're going with that one.)

   on both counts. ACA was another carrier that appeared strong a few years ago and we all remember what happened there.

SkyWest and ExpressJet are two of the best-run regionals in my opinion. They have a few things going for them, including having long term contracts with multiple carriers and reduced reliance on 50-seaters (they have a sizable fleet of them, but both carriers have large CRJ-700/900 fleets and the MRJ on order). I've also heard that their labor costs are relitively low, but this is something that can change over time as new-hires become senior.

Are these two carriers invincible? Of course not. Just look at the amount of ground handling they've lost in the past couple of years.

Air Wisconsin is a nice airline (I work at their home airport), but they're totally tied down to 50-seaters, they have a contract with only one airline, and a senior staff. I wish them the best, but I fear they may go the way of Comair.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 6):
I agree with the SkyWest but not with ExpressJet, maybe I am a little a jaded in that I had to use ExpressJet to IAH from YYZ. I was on that flight for over four hours and the ERJ-145 was not a treat.

I wouldn't be so quick to blame Expressjet on that. It wasn't their call to schedule the flight; they're just doing their job.



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User currently onlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
I wouldn't be so quick to blame Expressjet on that. It wasn't their call to schedule the flight; they're just doing their job.

Why, should I blame UA, or AA, or DL? Were they the ones to schedule such a terrible aircraft for such a mission? I thought that ExpressJet were the ones who ordered the aircraft and specified the cramped interior.

I don't do that anymore. I now fly directly from YXU or DTW just to avoid that problem.



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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 724 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 6):
I agree with the SkyWest but not with ExpressJet, maybe I am a little a jaded in that I had to use ExpressJet to IAH from YYZ. I was on that flight for over four hours and the ERJ-145 was not a treat.

Ummmm... the fact you were on ExpressJet for four hours to YYZ from IAH is not a mark against ExpressJet... that would Continental and now the new United for having that equipment on the run... this thread isn't about the routes that make the carrier.. but the carrier and what they are compared to the other carriers... from MX, performance, crews... Operations as an airline. ExpressJet before Continental went the route of all the others and "diversifying" their operators was the top of the top... from the late 90's through the mid 2000's... They are noticeably different now in terms of crew morale and operational delays/mx... but that is directly from them being sold off to SkyWest and under their leadership.. merged into ASA.. ExpressJet as COEx and the ONLY COEx was a world class seamless transition of product from CO to regional jets.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 10):
Why, should I blame UA, or AA, or DL? Were they the ones to schedule such a terrible aircraft for such a mission? I thought that ExpressJet were the ones who ordered the aircraft and specified the cramped interior.

as a matter of fact.. as I said above.. the mainline partners schedule the flights... for all the regionals.. the ERJ is a great aircraft.. also.. the cramped interior.. you can in fact blame that on Continental and now the new United... ExpressJet was Continental Express.. owned and operated wholly by Continental when the ERJ's came on property and in fact were ordered by Continental and THEY choose the interior... case in point.. when ExpressJet ran their own branded airline with some of the planes released from Continental.. they installed memory foam seats, XM radio, and on one aircraft they went to far as to install power at every row and an oven for hot meals to study the feasibility for expansion to the rest of the fleet.... something the mainline carriers never would put in... in fact it was mainline United who specified that the XM be disabled and removed from the aircraft when the planes were re-assimilated into contract flying.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 11):

Sounds like we agree on who was the best, but who is the best now is my questioin?



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2005 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days ago) and read 3888 times:

KA, PG, MI in my opinion.

KA in particular has better service than their parent, CX.

Cheers
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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 724 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 12):
Sounds like we agree on who was the best, but who is the best now is my questioin?

Sadly, call me jaded or what have you... I don't think their is one.

They're all regionals. They're undercutting, blood sucking carriers, that survive by having the lowest costs in return harming other airline work groups. I wish they all would fail. Every single time a carrier has risen "above" the fray and tried to make roads towards a better working condition they've been killed by a new entrant.... GoJet anyone? Think of the ones that were at the top or trying for better and where are they now?

Comair - ceased
Atlantic Coast - ceased
Air Wisconsin - hanging on by a thread with US Airways far from original United days
ExpressJet - still working on concessions from '08, down fleet count, spun off, sold, and merged
American Eagle - being spun off..... see XJT as an example of what will follow
Trans States - (never rose up) - during contract stalemate Uncle Hulas creates GoJet to effectively kill AX, job well done.

Hopefully the looming Age 65 expiration, 1500 Hr -ATP rule, and the new Rest Rules will solve the issue and make it impossible for them to find qualified pilots. I know several regional carriers have begun investigating starting their own ab initio schools just for these reasons. I've also heard that SkyWest alone with no increase of flying to maintain just current flying levels with JUST the new rest rules would need an additional 750 pilots.

The beauty of the current economic meltdown and instability of the airlines... it's created VERY few new pilots... something in the neighborhood of less than 400 fresh commercial tickets per year for several years now... Most airlines have already found that it's almost impossible to find qualified individuals to hire that will be able to make the 1500 hour rule that goes into eff. 8/2013. Just wait till Age 65 expires and the mainline retirements begin to start moving northward... you'll start seeing a mass exodus from the stagnant regional ranks to the mainlines and the regionals will be unable to locate the volume of quality qualified applicants... they're going to have to shrink and merge to stay aloft. That's where the 50 seat jets will meet their end.. for pure lack of staffing ability as the contraction deepens.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22741 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 14):
They're all regionals. They're undercutting, blood sucking carriers, that survive by having the lowest costs in return harming other airline work groups.

Maybe, but that would seem to imply that there are not better and worse regionals out there, and I don't buy that. Purely in terms of passenger experience, the likes of YX and S5 do significantly better than, for instance, YV.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 10):
Why, should I blame UA, or AA, or DL? Were they the ones to schedule such a terrible aircraft for such a mission?

Yes. Yes, they were.

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 14):
They're all regionals. They're undercutting, blood sucking carriers, that survive by having the lowest costs in return harming other airline work groups. I wish they all would fail.

While the basic premise for a contract is "Lowest bidder wins," in the case of an RFP such as what happens with regional flying, it's "Best value wins." What extra value does the major get for the extra cost accounting for the needs of this RFP?

[Edited 2012-12-04 06:28:36]


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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5213 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 5):
CO Express (ExpressJet) 10 years ago was in my mind one of the top

I agree. I hadn't flown COEx since 2003 until August, and it was sad to see the decline in ExpressJet compared to where they used to be.

That said, I think they are still up there.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 10):
I thought that ExpressJet were the ones who ordered the aircraft and specified the cramped interior.

No. That was Continental Airlines.

(I'm 90% certain that the pre-merger PMXE ERJs are actually still owned by sCO and leased to EV)

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 16):
Quoting brilondon (Reply 10):
Why, should I blame UA, or AA, or DL? Were they the ones to schedule such a terrible aircraft for such a mission?

Yes. Yes, they were.

  

Other than some OO at risk flying etc, all "branded" regionals do precisely what they're told. It CO/UA who would have wanted an ERJ on IAH-YYZ, not ExpressJet.



I notice they have been mentioned yet, but I would give my vote to PSA. I have been very impressed with PSA on my flights with them, from the crew to their on-time performance.

OO would be second, and EV third



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