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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 879 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

There are some surprising examples of competitive actions by competing global alliances at the fortress hubs of another Alliance. To illustrate this, herewith some examples of minor hub activity by some airlines at the fortress hub of another Alliance. These surprising connections illustrate how the global alliances focus on creating global connectivity to multiple destinations irrespective of an airport's home Alliance.

Does anyone know other great examples?


AMSTERDAM Schiphol Airport = This SKYTEAM HUB also hosts the following connections by others:

USAIRWAYS = STAR Alliance:
Flights connecting with regular US flights to/from PHL:
- dep. 07:05 Munich US 5803 US Airways LH codeshare
- dep. 07:15 Frankfurt US 5741 US Airways LH codeshare
- dep. 08:55 Frankfurt US 5743 US Airways LH codeshare
- dep. 10:30 Singapore US 5410 US Airways SQ codeshare
- dep. 11.00 Chicago US 6153 US Airways UA codeshare
- dep. 11:20 Zagreb US 8604 US Airways OU codeshare
- dep. 12.00 Washington US6147 US Airways UA codeshare
- dep. 13:00 Philadelphia US 799 US Airways

LUFTHANSA - STAR Alliance
flights connecting with regular LH arrivals from/to HAM, BER, FRA & MUC
- dep. 09:15 Newark LH 7963 Lufthansa UA codeshare
- dep. 10:00 Houston LH 7987 Lufthansa UA codeshare
- dep. 11:00 Chicago LH 9154 Lufthansa UA codeshare
- dep. 12:00 Washington LH 7619 Lufthansa UA codeshare

SAS - STAR Alliance:
flights connecting with regular SK flights from/to CPH, OSL, ARN
- dep. 11:00 Denver SK 3909 SAS Scandinavian Airlines UA codeshare
- dep. 11:00 Chicago SK 3909 SAS Scandinavian Airlines UA codeshare
- dep. 11:20 Zagreb SK 9313 SAS Scandinavian Airlines UA codeshare

SINGAPORE - STAR
flights connecting with regular SQ service from/to SIN:
- dep. 07.40 Warsaw SQ2370 Singapore Airlines LO codeshare


ETIHAD - a non-aligned carrier is Off-line at AMS, but codeshares with 3x airlines:
EY flights connect with eachother, but would EY be able to sell tickets DUB-PRG-DUB
- dep. 07:55 Stavanger EY 7320 Etihad Airways KLM codeshare
- dep. 08:05 Newcastle EY 7330 Etihad Airways KLM codeshare
- dep. 09:25 Prague EY 7859 Etihad Airways CSA codeshare
- dep. 09:30 Cardiff EY 7350 Etihad Airways KLM codeshare
- dep. 10:10 Billund EY 7310 Etihad Airways KLM codeshare
- dep. 10:20 Oslo EY 7340 Etihad Airways KLM codeshare
- dep. 10:50 Abu Dhabi EY 7307 Etihad Airways KLM codeshare
- dep. 10:50 Bahrain EY 7307 Etihad Airways KLM codeshare
- dep. 14:45 Dublin EY 7913 Etihad Airways Aer Lingus codeshare
- dep. 16:50 Dublin EY 7915 Etihad Airways Aer Lingus codeshare


LONDON HEATHROW - A ONE WORLD Hub hosts:

KLM - a SKYTEAM carrier:
flight connections to regular flights to/from AMS:
- dep. 08:45 Atlanta KL6139 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines DL codeshare
- dep. 09:25 Detroit KL6079 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines DL codeshare
- dep. 09:30 Boston KL6183 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines DL codeshare
- dep. 12:25 Minneapolis KL6001 KLM royal Dutch Airlines DL codeshare
- dep. 12:50 New York KL6006 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines DL codeshare
- dep. 14:05 Atlanta KL6109 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines DL codeshare

Air France - a SKYTEAM carrier:
flight connections to regular flights to/from CDG:
- dep. 08:45 Atlanta AF6139 Air France DL codeshare
- dep. 09:25 Detroit AF6079 Air France DL codeshare
- dep. 09:30 Boston AF6183 Air France DL codeshare
- dep. 12:25 Minneapolis AF6001 Air France DL codeshare
- dep. 12:50 New York AF6006 Air France DL codeshare
- dep. 14:05 Atlanta AF6109 Air France DL codeshare

Delta Airlines - a SKYTEAM carrier:
flight connections to regular flights to ATL, JFK, DTW, BOS, MSP:
- dep. 06:35 Amsterdam DL 9472 Delta Air Lines - KLM codeshare
- dep. 06.40 Paris CDG DL 8720 Delta Air Lines - AF codeshare
- dep. 07.10 Paris CDG DL 8619 Delta Air Lines - AF codeshare
- dep. 08.40 Amsterdam DL 9473 Delta Air Lines - KLM codeshare
- dep. 10.00 Amsterdam DL 9474 Delta Air Lines - KLM codeshare
- dep. 10.15 Paris CDG DL 8719 Delta Air Lines - AF codeshare
- dep. 11.45 Amsterdam DL 9475 Delta Air Lines - KLM codeshare
- dep. 12.50 Paris CDG DL 8655 Delta Air Lines - AF codeshare
- dep. 14.50 Amsterdam DL 9292 Delta Air Lines - KLM codeshare
- dep. 16.00 Paris CDG DL 8721 Delta Air Lines - AF codeshare

More examples are much appreciated!

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User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

If I am reading this right, you are looking for examples of making connections on one alliance via an airport that is a hub for another alliance. I researched this a lot last summer before booking a trip to Europe, and actually started a thread about it:
Connecting From DL To KL At Non-hub Airports (by redzeppelin Jun 18 2012 in Aviation Polls)
I am a Skyteam flyer, and I was trying to get across the Atlantic on KL or AF metal. Those airlines don't fly to either DL hub that my home airport (BZN) connects to (SLC or MSP), so I started exploring other options. Most of DL's TATL fares from BZN allow for 2 connections on each side of the Atlantic, with almost no restrictions on where those connections are made. Given the metal-neutral nature of the JV, that makes for some pretty interesting connection options. It's fun to download DL's desktop schedule app and search scedules for routes like SLC-AMS or MSP-CDG. All of the following come up as valid connections that can be booked and flown with DL flight numbers all the way:

SLC-DFW-AMS (OW hub)
SLC-EWR-AMS (Star hub)
SLC-IAH-AMS (Star hub)
SLC-ORD-AMS (Star/OW hub)
SLC-SFO-AMS (Star hub)
SLC-YVR-AMS ( Star hub)

You can't get all of these flight on the hometown carrier (AC doesn't offer SLC-YVR-AMS, for example) but some of them do compete directly.

Most of these connections will show up on delta.com if you search by schedule, and if they don't, you can force them by using the multi-city search option. For my trip, I strongly considered routings like MSP-YUL-AMS, MSP-IAD-CDG and SLC-LAX-CDG, but I finally decided to try SLC-YYC-AMS on the outbound with AMS-YVR-SLC on the return. I picked those routes mostly because of the favorable schedules and pricing. It was a fun little adventure. Maybe next time I'll get really creative and use all of the available 4 connections...

[Edited 2013-01-09 15:03:19]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Airlines will connect wherever their schedules permit. Makes no difference whether it's their own hub or at the end of a spoke. Might as well maximize your connecting options provided you don't displace higher yield O&D traffic, but today's revenue management systems handle that well.

User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

DEN (Star Alliance hub)

WN has ramped up DEN in the past year and now uses it as a major connecting airport.
DL often routes passengers flying to SLC XXX-DEN-SLC as an alternative option to direct flights to SLC.


User currently offlinebnaowb From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Among the 50 options listed for a DFW-MIA one way on AA.com on a hypothetical future date (Feb. 21st) are single connections (with both segments on AA) in the following non-One World hubs:

ATL
CLT
IAD
IAH
MEM
PHL

Also, some other interesting connecting airports (with both segments on AA) were:

MCO
STL
BNA
RDU
JAX
SDF
PNS
GSO
BHM
IND
TPA
MSY


User currently onlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3044 times:

I was impressed how many passengers on my DCA-BNA flight on Eagle (26/44) were connecting to the late BNA-LAX flight. AA offers a host of connections. Its funny how some people try to get to JFK, due to the extremely infrequent flights there ex-ORD and DFW. I checked in a pax xxx-ORD-IND-JFK, other times xxx-DFW-MCO-MIA-JFK!

User currently offlinecofannyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Quoting factsonly (Thread starter):
USAIRWAYS = STAR Alliance:
Flights connecting with regular US flights to/from PHL:
- dep. 11.00 Chicago US 6153 US Airways UA codeshare
- dep. 12.00 Washington US6147 US Airways UA codeshare
- dep. 13:00 Philadelphia US 799 US Airways

I might be missing the point of the question, but why on earth would someone connect from a flight inbound from PHL to a flight outbound back to the US?


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 5):
other times xxx-DFW-MCO-MIA-JFK!

That sounds like a mileage runner to me.



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