BA0197 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 168 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4394 times:
That's the question really, whether the answer be based on daily departures, seat capacity, or actually pax numbers. I couldn't find any concrete figures on the whole of the US to find an answer. My guess is that it will be a close call between BA and AC. Anyone know?
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21498 posts, RR: 24 Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4303 times:
It must be AC (including Jazz) in terms of frequency and number of destinations, but not sure how BA compares in total passengers due to their much larger aircraft but on fewer flights.
There is no way it could be a Mexican carrier IMHO. AM only fly to IAH (with a large Hispanic population) twice a day with E190s. Many European and British carriers outweigh AM just on how many destinations they serve in the US.
It could very well be AC.
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Oh yes, I am aware. I was just pointing out that they could not be the largest foriegn carrier into the US. I listed the IAH flights as an example of their network.
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mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 726 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4186 times:
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 4): There is no way it could be a Mexican carrier IMHO. AM only fly to IAH (with a large Hispanic population) twice a day with E190s.
they also go to JFK (5x 738) from MEX and CUN 1x daily with a738
they go to ORD from MEX (2x 738) and MTY (E190)
they go to LAS from MEX (2x 738)
they announced DFW
they go to DEN from MEX (1x 737)
they go to SFO from MEx (1x 738)
they go to GDL
these are just a few examples. They also go to MIA, MCO, IAD, SAT, ATL, FAT, and a few others.
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 6): Oh yes, I am aware. I was just pointing out that they could not be the largest foriegn carrier into the US. I listed the IAH flights as an example of their network.
You are right that Houston has a large hispanic population, butIAH isn't really a good example of their network, only because it is a major UA hub. UA is not a partner airline of AM, and UA is the neighborhood airline of Houston. This puts UA at a huge advantage over AM leading AM to not be albe to cmopete with UA that well, leading them to only have a few flights. If you look at other places, like JFK or MIA, that have huge hispanic populations, you will see that AM has a decent prescence in the US and could very likely be one of the largest foreign carriers. Not the biggest, but in the top 5.
deltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8772 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4085 times:
I stated BA because anyone would know that there is a large connection between the two countries. Like I said, they do fly to over 20 US destinations with large equipment.
I never said anything about AF or LH.
There was for quite a time where more American passengers choose to fly BA transatlanticly than any other US airlines as demonstrated in this BA advert played in the US in the early 2000s (shown at 1:12): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAZ4ML2PqSU
On a side note: BA's adverts are simply stunning. Everyone is made fantastically and tied to their beautiful Flower Duet theme.
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UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3829 times:
Air Canada. They operate so many places no other Foreign carrier could even fill a Q200. The thing is, for an airline he size of AC to be based in Canada, they need a darn lot more pax than Canada. Also, CA-US is an absolutely massive market. They also have such a monopoly on so many routes and a fortress hub at the West Canadian Airports.
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3765 times:
Imagine how big AC would be if routings of US1-Toronto-US2 were allowed?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 17 Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3683 times:
The advantage of ASMs over any other measure of size is that anyone with access to an airline's timetable and the configuration of the airline's aircraft can calculate an airline's size. Any other measure requires proprietary information which may or may not be published by a government agency but which few if any airlines will otherwise voluntarily publish.
In summary, unlike any other measure of size it can be calculated for all airlines from published data. So it is the only available universal measure of size.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21498 posts, RR: 24 Reply 21, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3576 times:
Quoting VV701 (Reply 19): The advantage of ASMs over any other measure of size is that anyone with access to an airline's timetable and the configuration of the airline's aircraft can calculate an airline's size. Any other measure requires proprietary information which may or may not be published by a government agency but which few if any airlines will otherwise voluntarily publish.
In summary, unlike any other measure of size it can be calculated for all airlines from published data. So it is the only available universal measure of size.
Depends what aspect of "size" you are focusing on. If you wish to consider fleet size, number of destinations, number of flights, total passengers, market capitalization, among others, those statistics are easy to obtain.
And looking only at ASMs without considering RPMs gives an incomplete picture. The number of seats you can actually sell is even more important. If one airline has more ASMs than another, but the other operates at a higher load factor and thus generates more RPMs, it's debatable which airline is "larger".
pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2046 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3544 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18): Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 16):
Also, CA-US is an absolutely massive market.
They're also the world's two largest trade partners.
With a lot of integrated industries. Cars might be manufactured in one or the other country but all the raw materials, parts, and materials sometimes cross the border back and forth a number of times before it is actually assembled into a car. And increasingly add Mexico to the equation. Name any number of manufactured items, US Chains that sell their products in stores in Canada and to a lesser extent Canadian that sell in the US the numbers are quite huge. Also US Restaurant Chains that operate Canadian subsidiaries (recent new ones expanded North include 5 Guys Burgers, PF Chiangs and The Melting Pot) and vice versa to a lesser extent Canadian chains that operate in the US (Tim Hortons, Keg Restaurants, Swiss Chalet). Very few industries are not cross border traffic dependent. So it isn't just Canadian Snow Birds going south for the winter. Anything effecting the border both in terms of air travel or movement of goods has massive economic ramifications on both sides.
So the fact that US to London is so high on BA is quite something to note in that the integration of industries isn't so large. An interesting stat to know would all trips from US to Britain on all carriers, compared to all trips cross border between Canada and the US by all carriers. Of course the proximity makes cross border travel by other modes possible between Canada and the US. Between the US and Britain it would just be the Queen Mary the is the outlier unless you are a good swimmer .
deltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8772 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3506 times:
Quoting VV701 (Reply 19): So it is the only available universal measure of size.
Pretty much. It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison looking at equipment gauge or frequency - a LHR-LAX flight on a BA 747 with 350 seats takes 12 hours or so to fly; during that time, an AC A319 with 120 seats might be able to do 3 complete roundtrips between LaGuardia and Pearson. ASMs at least tries to combine the size/distance/frequency into one statistic. When looking at a large scope, it's not a horrible number. When looking at one outstation (I've done a lot of work for Caribbean markets), it means next to nothing for me.
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 20): It is worth noting that BA have reductions during this time of the year as they are still on a Christmas schedule until next week.
I just pulled the numbers straight from a site that I have a subscription to. If you want to compare Jul13 numbers, they are as follows:
BA: 324 flights/wk (+4 flights/day), 88,102 seats/wk, 365,441,776 ASMs/wk, 20 destinations (SJU is being discontinued)
AC: 1478 flights/wk, 110,140 seats/wk, 110,458,041 ASMs/wk, 50 destinations (ANC is summer only, KOA/PBI/SRQ/SJU are all winter only).
Makes complete sense that BA is up significantly in summer (peak time for US-Europe traffic), while the same for AC in winter (in addition to all those winter-only destinations, lots of routes to other sun cities in Hawaii, Vegas, Phoenix and Florida get additional flights).
It is worth noting that the United States is the largest source of foreign direct investment to the United Kingdom; likewise the United Kingdom is the largest foreign direct investor in the United States. So obviously the economics of the two cities (or countries) served does play an important part into route vitality. Quel Suprise!
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25 VV701: In 2011 according to the British CAA 16,899,929 passengers travelled in either direction between the USA and the UK. See page 69 here: http://www.caa
26 katanapilot: Interesting that AC serves so many cities in the US yet out of my home airport, YOW, AC has limited service to the US so I always fly United/American/
27 UA787DEN: Simple. It's not a hub, but rather much more of a focus city, and a spoke especially for international flights. AC operates a few leisure O&D mar
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