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When Will Ppl Be Able To Go To Gates W/out Ticket?  
User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

When will people be able to go back to the gates with out a ticket...like the old days.


Joe Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

In my opinion, most likely never. I just started working at BWI and haven't gotten my SIDA yet, meaning that I have to go through the security line each time I go into the concourse. The wait for security the five times that I went through today was averaging about 10 minutes, granted they only had 3 or 4 lanes open. Add unticketed pax to that equation and it won't be a pretty picture.

Besides, add unticketed folks behind security and it's hello ID checks at the gates again, if not the return of random gate screenings also.



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User currently offlinePacificWestern From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

The world lost that sort of innocence a long, long time ago! I don't think any airline, country, or passenger would feel comfortable with such an arrangement these days.

User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Wasn't there some talk about PIT being the first airport to have this?


Joe Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

PIT was trying as they have that big shopping area that is/was hurting from the loss of all those possible shoppers. I agree I would rather see it stay the way it is. Maybe a redesign that allows people to the shops and food areas before security is a solution that needs to be looked at.


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User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Do a search on the PIT issue, it just came up again last week or so. Although, re-opening the AirMall to non-tcktd people would probably do very little to help the stores in it. When PIT opened, the AirMall was the closest mall for a lot of folks living out that way. Then the Mall at Robinson opened up about 2 years ago, making the one at the airport less "important" for people living in the vicinity, not to mention having a greater selection. I hate to break the news to Kent George, but re-opening the mall isn't going to save the airport.


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User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Hopefully never again.

User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

I miss going to the gate areas with out having a ticket.


Joe:'(


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17001 posts, RR: 67
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

Before I came to the States, I was never able to go to the gate at an airport, unless it was a really small regional one. It'll never happen again unless security tech changes drastically.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

My opinion is that it won't be happening in the near future, but will eventually happen sometime down the road, maybe in a few years. They are continuing to try and improve and streamline security procedures to make everything move quicker. Granted, they seem to be making slow progress, but eventually I think they'll come up with a system that works good and efficiently. If they can make it so the lines are short like they used to be, then I think they'll let non-passengers back in. It isn't so much of a security issue as it is trying to reduce lines at the security checkpoint. Anybody can walk up and buy a super saver or fully refundable ticket to get past security if they really wanted to...it doens't do anything really to keep out terrorists since everbody goes through the same screening. I also have a feeling if security costs continue to increase, maybe they'll introduce a system of non passengers having to pay a fee to get past security, and maybe only at non peak times. Even just $5 could help increase the security budget while avioding the need to pass these increasing costs on to the airlines.

User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

I guess that I must travel enough to be entirely opposed to re-opening the gate areas to non-ticketed passengers.

It's bad enough that there aren't enough seats in many gate areas for passengers, not to mention the entourage that some people will inevitably bring.

These days, I just want to get into the terminal, on the plane, and the hell out of there. The less time I spend in a terminal, the better.

[Edited 2004-10-13 04:09:57]

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

A Long time ago, I wanted them to reopen the sterile area to NTPs, but as of today, I'm glad it is closed off. Imagine all those people going through ATL and not flying out. It would be convenient however if, in ATL, you flew in there that day and would like to check out all the shops, you could go in and out 1 time. That would be pretty nice. But, other than that.

KEEP EM' CLOSED!!!


User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

I think it would be a great idea that non ticketed passengers would have to pay a fee to get to the gate area.


Joe Smile/happy/getting dizzy






User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

NEVER, hopefully. As a matter of security, there is NO REASON why TSA personnel should be bothered with non-passengers. It's a waste of time, money, and is grossly inefficient. We don't need to make such a drastic change to our security system just so Johnny's grandmother can spend an extra 20 minutes with him in the secured area. Say your goodbyes before reaching security.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

I'm with Ssides 100%.

I don't miss fighting with non-pax for seats and most places are too busy anyways with travelers to deal with non-pax.

Moman



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User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3935 times:
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The TSA are understaffed as it is. Think of how many people used to be crowding the gate areas before 9/11, and with passenger levels higher than they were before 9/11 its just too many people inside of security. Besides from a airline supervisor standpoint, its just that many more idiots coming up to the podium looking out the window saying "Is the plane here yet?"


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

The USA was the exception to the rule back in the day. With today's "enhanced" security, it doesn't make sense. From the standpoint of someone who loves to watch airplanes, I understand Joe's point. But it shouldn't happen.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

It's never going to happen. Could you imagine how crowded and congested the security lines would be if everybody was allowed inside the Sterile Areas with the way today's screening is done?
You think some of the concourses @ ATL are crowded just with ticketed pax, it would be at practically a standstill if everyone was allowed at the gates.

The issue doesn't affect me at all because I have access to the SIDA and Sterile Areas at my home airport through my employer.


User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

I used to wish this rule would be lifted, but in all my post-9/11 trips, I appreciate not having to hunt down a seat in the gate areas, and much shorter lines at food establishments.


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3705 times:
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This seems to be something that was uniquely American, I have never seen anyone allowed past security without a boarding pass anywhere else. I agree with the comments about security staff workload, congestion etc. If not flying myself I prefer to drop the pax at the kerb and get the hell away from there!


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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

To be honest , I don't think they will ever be allowed again because of 9/11. I remember domestic flights here in NZ being open and people were able to go to the gate, but now, even the domestic flights have restricted passenger only areas near the gates.

User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

I hope they let non-ticketed pax back in the terminal areas soon. We did this for years with no problems. Also remember, the terrorists on 9/11 WERE ticketed passengers.

I know I am going to get some shit for this.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Actually, Delta767300ER, I agree with everything you said.


Joe Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

LOL, Good! I figured a few would agree with me.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineWillbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

I love the Air Mall in PIT. One of my good friends and I would go to PIT, go to dinner at TGIFridays in the center core and then walk around the airport for hours watching people.

I miss those days  Crying


User currently offlineKC7MMI From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 854 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

I too miss the days of being able to see family members off or wait for them to walk out of the gate. It was good times. But now I work for the airline and altho I have a SIDA badge, my company badge will get me anywhere ticketed passengers are permitted even at other airports (as long as we fly there). There were times that I didn't even have my ticket yet but I was able to show TSA my company badge and get thru anyway.

For security, opening it up to non-pax doesn't make good sense. But I wish that wasn't an issue.


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