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How Do You Afford To Fly First Class?  
User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8219 times:

It seems as though many people on this site fly first or business class on a regular basis. I'm curious - How do you afford it?   

It seems as though most airlines charge $1000+ for first class itineraries. WOAH! Crazy expensive!    Seriously, is it really worth paying this kind of money just for some free drinks, a meal, and a bigger seat? I've never flown first before, so I don't know...

Now my assumption is that redeeming upgrades for first class is fairly common. Which leads me to my next question - How do you do that?

The only sort of first class upgrades I've ever seen are the kind where you redeem miles to be "waitlisted" for first. I have even tried this once or twice before, but gave up pretty quickly as soon as I discovered how astronomically low the odds are of actually getting the upgrade - especially when the first class is sold out and the waitlist has 15 people on it...

Any advice or help on this matter would be greatly appreciated!  

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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8148 times:

If you're on a US carrier, chances are 50% of those sat in F have been upgraded due to their elite status, 25% will be airline employees on discounted fares who has been upgraded and the rest is split roughly 50/50 between those who've actually bought a F ticket and those who used miles to upgrade. If you're on a non-US carrier it will be roughly 75% staff and miles upgrades and the rest having paid.

This explains why even carriers such as EK are wondering publicly if it's worth having a F, a product that is becoming more and more rare in the aviation world (excluding us domestic F which is a different kettle of fish, mainly kept aloft to keep the elite status flyers happy).

Getting to F is really not that difficult. It all starts with a job that comes with a lot of long-haul travel working for a company with a policy of flying its staff members in J (that's how most people get to sit in J, incidentally). Then you'll earn status, and either use the status alone to gain upgrades (US carriers), or to use miles and upgrade. If you're spending a ridiculous amount of time onboard an airliner on bought tickets, you'll clock up an enormous amount of miles very quickly. Gotta spend it on something, and flying F in your own time is one way of doing it.

I burn my miles either on upgrades to intercontinental F or to give away to friends and family. Get more than my fair share of flying when on the company clock, it's about the last thing I want to do when on my own time.



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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8135 times:

I think non US airlines see less staff up front then US airlines do

User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8095 times:

Quoting toobz (Reply 2):
I think non US airlines see less staff up front then US airlines do

I believe that AF does NOT upgrade its employees. Returning from SCL on Delta, J cabin on a 763 was full. One paying passenger, the rest were non-revenue employees and buddy passes.



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7966 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 1):
If you're on a US carrier, chances are 50% of those sat in F have been upgraded due to their elite status, 25% will be airline employees on discounted fares who has been upgraded and the rest is split roughly 50/50 between those who've actually bought a F ticket and those who used miles to upgrade. If you're on a non-US carrier it will be roughly 75% staff and miles upgrades and the rest having paid.

Interesting to know, thanks.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 1):
Getting to F is really not that difficult.

How do I do that without status?

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 1):
I burn my miles either on upgrades to intercontinental F

Again, how?? See my post below.

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
The only sort of first class upgrades I've ever seen are the kind where you redeem miles to be "waitlisted" for first.

  


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23306 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7960 times:

If you need a refundable ticket or are buying very close to departure on some carriers (e.g. US or AA), restricted but refundable First can be cheaper than Y. It's not cheap, but it's how I most often wind up in F domestically.


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User currently offlinegocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4364 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7942 times:

Whenever I travel for business, my company always buy Y fare tickets at a discounted rate which is refundable as our schedule can be really crazy. With a Y class ticket and I have plenty of miles on Skyteam, OneWorld, and Star Alliace, I'll use my miles to upgrade to business class whenever I fly internationally. Whenever I book my own tickets using my money, I usually don't spend the extra to upgrade. Non-rev is also another good way to upgrade if the loads are very light but it is getting very difficult upgrading in the U.S. with all these elite fliers with their complimentary upgrades, but on Intl flights is not too difficult if the loads are light.


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7913 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 4):
Again, how?? See my post below.


You either have enough miles and call the airline and ask for a flight using your miles for a first class ticket or you purchase a economy ticket and ask if you can upgrade to first with miles.

Example: (numbers might not be right) You want to go to Tokyo from DFW first on AA. You have 100k miles you call AA say I want to spend my 100k miles on a DFW-NRT-DFW flight First Class and than they book it for you as long as there are no restrictions etc..

Or you are flying MIA-LAX on AA you already purchased a round trip for $400 you call AA and tell them you want to use 30k miles to upgrade you coach ticket to first.

It also depends on the airline as other airlines have other ways of doing it. I have only had status on AA so I only know how it works. When you have status you get a certain amount of upgrade "stickers" or passes depending on how many miles you fly and each sticker is good for a certain amount of miles per flight. My usual flight was MIA-DCA it needed two stickers. If I had enough stickers in my account or if I purchased them before my flight I could request an upgrade. The list is done by priority with the highest elite status passengers at the top of the list getting the best chance to upgrade. If I did not clear the list than I don't use my stickers and I get to use them again on another flight. If I cleared than the stickers are taken away. I have cleared 24 hours before and I have cleared right at the gate by surprise and was given a new boarding pass right there. That was always the best.

But again different airlines do it different ways. IMO AA does it very well and I think many think they have the best FF program around. But I am sure others are fine too.

Also a lot of companies have contracts with the airlines and many of them only fly their employees in business or first. Other companies that even do not have contracts might have rules in that any flight over 4 hours has to be a business or first ticket etc.. For the most part, at least in the U.S. the majroity of passengers in first class are not themselves paying a first class ticket.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7849 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 4):
How do I do that without status?

You don't necessarily need status, just plenty of miles. I used EK heavily a few years ago and accrued around 1 million miles. Then I hardly used them for two years, and my membership level dropped to the most basic. But I still had all those miles, and the next time I had to fly EK blew some of them on upgrades to F from J. Now I'm back to Gold, but have hardly any miles left  
Quoting AlnessW (Reply 4):
Again, how?? See my post below.

Don't know which airlines operate like that, but I've used miles on numerous occasions to "purchase" confirmed upgrades from J to F on airlines such as EK, LH and BA.



From receips and radials over straight pipes to big fans - been there, done that, got the hearing defects to prove
User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

Correct Rwy..AF does not upgrade employees on intl flights. I remember when DL/AF started working closely I used AF from ATL to CDG and got upgraded using DL S3 but that ended because AF employees were getting upset that DL employees were getting upgraded in Affaires and their own employees were not. Makes sense. So one again I say that it is rare OUTSIDE of the US to have employees sitting up front, at least in Europe.

And as far as the OPs question, yes in the US a lot of the butts in F class are either FF status complimentary upgrades, people using miles to upgrade, company bought tickets(if youre upper mngmt..nowadays this is kinda rare) and people with $$.


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

Quoting toobz (Reply 9):
So one again I say that it is rare OUTSIDE of the US to have employees sitting up front, at least in Europe.

Depends on the reason they're traveling. I know management guys from BA, LH, QR, EK and AF who only fly on confirmed J, and are often upgraded to F, when on business. When it comes to their personal travel, they don't go if an upgrade to J or F is not assured. So I'm not quite sure I agree with your statement it only happens in the US.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7775 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 7):
Or you are flying MIA-LAX on AA you already purchased a round trip for $400 you call AA and tell them you want to use 30k miles to upgrade you coach ticket to first.

Or you get lucky when searching flights for MIA-LAX-MIA on American Airlines and get an instant upgrade fare for $768 return... granted on a 757, but still!  

The only times I've flown First are with American Airlines within the USA - apart from once when I flew BKK-SYD in First on British Airways using points.

Being based in Europe means I fly Economy most of the time, apart from occasional treats to Business. For example I booked a LHR-DUB on British Airways in Economy for £69 and for a limited period they were offering an upgrade to business for another £69 so I took it - as the total of those was still less than half the usual fare.

Generally I'll use points where I can, or occasionally pay if the deal up front is particularly good. It's a matter of hunting around really, which can be fun!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7769 times:

B777...ok sure upper management is different I guess. I'm referring to the average employee who is cabin crew, ramp, or cust sev.
In the US, DL for example, everyone who works for the airline gets upgraded if there is room. This is NOT the policy in Europe. Unless you are a station manager or VP I guess. but that's a very small %. not to say it doesn't happen sometimes, I've flown on KL and SK and have been upgraded to C on ID90s. That was a long time ago though.
So I should once again clarify, it happens sometimes but is definitely not 75% staff as earlier stated. Most of the time C goes out with a couple people - not like in the US where F is ALWAYS full once the flight pushes back. Haven't been on a domestic flight in the US in years where there were empty seats up front.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7753 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 7):
You either have enough miles and call the airline and ask for a flight using your miles for a first class ticket or you purchase a economy ticket and ask if you can upgrade to first with miles.

Or you can simply go to the airlines' website and use the booking system they have for award travel.

Outside of when I worked in the airline industry, I've only flown in First Class once. The one time I did, I had decided to treat myself to such a ticket (I got a RT ticket ATL-LAS-ATL in First on DL for under $900 and AirTran wanted the same price, but lacked the amenities DL has in First.). Since that trip six years ago, I've looked at splurging on such a ticket again and opted against it, as it was hard for me to justify spending $1200 for it (I'd rather use some of that money to stay at a nicer hotel.). The next time I'll probably be sitting in First Class will be as an award ticket, as that's about the only way I'll be able to do it and it will be after several years of accruing the necessary miles (I only fly a handful of times a year and earn the major of my airline miles via my bank card.).


User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 3):
Returning from SCL on Delta, J cabin on a 763 was full. One paying passenger, the rest were non-revenue employees and buddy passes.

Should a paying passenger get preferential treatment, say, first choice for dinner? On the one hand, I'd be pissed if the guy who's flying upgraded First because he's an employee gets the last steak, while I'm paying cold cash and have to take the pumpkin ravioli. On the other hand, if you got the seat, you should get the service regardless of how you got it. Is there some sort of pecking order for first?


User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7693 times:

Some of you guys are missing the point. I'm asking how PAX get upgrades to first, not employees. Or more specifically, how can I get an upgrade to first without status?

Quoting gocaps16 (Reply 6):
but it is getting very difficult upgrading in the U.S. with all these elite fliers with their complimentary upgrades

Yes, I'd say it's closer to impossible...

Quoting flymia (Reply 7):
You either have enough miles and call the airline and ask for a flight using your miles for a first class ticket or you purchase a economy ticket and ask if you can upgrade to first with miles.

Good to know, thanks flymia.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 8):
You don't necessarily need status, just plenty of miles.

Thanks for the advice.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 8):
I used EK heavily a few years ago and accrued around 1 million miles.

...OK, well I'm nowhere near that number!

Quoting toobz (Reply 9):
And as far as the OPs question, yes in the US a lot of the butts in F class are either FF status complimentary upgrades, people using miles to upgrade, company bought tickets(if youre upper mngmt..nowadays this is kinda rare) and people with $$.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer my actual question, toobz.  
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 11):
Or you get lucky when searching flights for MIA-LAX-MIA on American Airlines and get an instant upgrade fare for $768 return... granted on a 757, but still!

Hell, I don't what the aircraft is as long as I can get the upgrade!

Quoting srbmod (Reply 13):
Or you can simply go to the airlines' website and use the booking system they have for award travel.

Tried that before and this was the only option they gave me: (on UA)

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
The only sort of first class upgrades I've ever seen are the kind where you redeem miles to be "waitlisted" for first.


User currently offlinemauiman31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7690 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
It seems as though many people on this site fly first or business class on a regular basis. I'm curious - How do you afford it?   

Award mile accural. Upgrades. and $$ We have enough disposable income now to purchase F tickets for leisure travel when we run short of award miles. Travel for work so rack up lots of award miles. Please, spent many years flying in economy and still do for business sometimes, but feel blessed for leisure travel to be able to sit up front now. One of the few perks of getting older. lol   


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7619 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 15):
Some of you guys are missing the point. I'm asking how PAX get upgrades to first, not employees. Or more specifically, how can I get an upgrade to first without status?

Use miles or pay for it. That's it. No status then you get to pay with cash or miles.



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7585 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 18):
Use miles or pay for it. That's it. No status then you get to pay with cash or miles.

Thank you planeguy727. I would love to upgrade with miles but can't seem to find a reasonable/possible way of doing it.

Today, just for interest's sake, I tried searching for a random PDX-BOS itinerary on UA. Looking at many different dates/months, I found absolutely NO Saver awards for round-trip first class. There were only a few "mixed-cabin" options and some US itineraries. (If I wanted to fly US, then I would book with US.) There were Standard award options available, but they cost 50,000 miles each way!  Wow!

And once more:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
The only sort of first class upgrades I've ever seen are the kind where you redeem miles to be "waitlisted" for first.


User currently offlinedavidho1985 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2012, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7532 times:

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 14):
Should a paying passenger get preferential treatment, say, first choice for dinner? On the one hand, I'd be pissed if the guy who's flying upgraded First because he's an employee gets the last steak, while I'm paying cold cash and have to take the pumpkin ravioli. On the other hand, if you got the seat, you should get the service regardless of how you got it. Is there some sort of pecking order for first?

I heard that crews have a list of passangers indicating that whether someone is paid/ miles upgrade / free upgrade / non-rev etc. And those fare paying & miles upgrade got the priority.

I has been free upgraded to Business (at the boarding gate) (many other passangers as well) on a Dragonair flight, it was very clear that the FA distributed the memu to someone and took their meal order before me (and my neighbor who was free upgraded as well)


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3359 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 18):

Ok, here are the ways you can get to fly first class (some won't be applicable to you...you'll know them when you see them):

1) Buy a first class ticket. Depending on when you book, and how full the flights are, these can actually be had relatively inexpensively. Case in point, I just booked a first class fare (well, it's actually a coach fare, but it automatically books into A, which is a first class fare code, so it might as well be a paid F fare) from AUS-SEA for $465 one way on AA. This is in about 2 weeks.

2) Buy a first class ticket using miles. This is what you're referring to in this post as not being available. Most airlines have a tier of mileage awards (e.g. not the Saver awards) where as long as there is a F seat available for purchase, you can buy it using miles. For example, on AA, a one way F SAAver ticket is 25K miles. An AAnytime Award (what I just described) is 50K. Hardly worth it, but if you're on a long domestic flight, some people (myself included) would splurge for the 25K award.

3) Buy a ticket in coach, and upgrade using miles (and possibly a copay). I've just done this myself, for a trip this coming weekend AUS-JFK-SFO. I had a paid ticket (the fare class doesn't matter...these were deeply-discounted coach fares), and called AA and said I wanted to do a mileage upgrade. Domestically, this costs 15K miles one way, plus a $75 copay. These are always subject to availability, but as long as you're not trying to do it on a very full flight (that is, don't try and do it within a couple of days of departure), I've never had a problem. I got waitlisted once MIA-EZE (25K miles + $350 copay at that point in time...it may have changed), but it cleared at least a month before departure date.

4) Use frequent flyer elite status. Different airlines handle this differently. Many (UA and DL, among others) offer complementary upgrades to all of their elite members. This entails being put on a list, and depending on availability, these can clear as early as days in advance, or as late as stepping onto the jetbridge (happened to me JFK-AUS). When your upgrade clears depends on a few things. First and foremost is your elite status. The highest tier elite members will have their upgrades clear before anyone else (at AA, Executive Platinum clears at 100 hours, Platinum is 72 hours, and Gold is 24 hours). Other things that can play a part are when the upgrade was requested, your fare class (if any members at a certain level are on a full-fare coach ticket, these will clear before any other members at that tier, regardless of when you requested the upgrade), whether you're an originating or connecting passenger, among other things. AA's elite upgrade system is different. Rather than provide complementary upgrades to all members (EXP still get them), AA provides you the opportunity to buy/earn 500 mile electronic upgrade segments. What this means is for each 500 miles you fly, you're required to use 1 sticker. So for a flight from DFW-SEA, which is 1,800 miles give or take, you're required to use 4. Elite members earn 4 for each 10K miles flown, or you can buy them for $30 each online ($35 at the airport). If your upgrade clears, these 500 mile segments (known colloquially as "stickers," which I believe is an archaism from when these were actually stickers in a booklet of some sort, but I could be mistaken) are deducted from your account. While this method may seem bad, because they actually require some payment, for the lower tier elites it is actually better because not everyone will list for an upgrade for every flight. Unlike on airlines like UA or DL, where if you're at the lowest tier, you know every single person with higher status on your flight will get an upgrade before you, your "competition" is coming from a smaller pool of people.

5) Be an airline employee. If space is available, you can non-rev in premium cabins.

6) Be in the military on active duty. Many airlines will upgrade servicemen and women if there is space available, as long as they're traveling on orders.

7) Get an "op-up" (operational upgrade). Though in practice these very, very rarely happen to the general public (frequent flyer elites will usually get them), in situations like an oversale, where there may be a number of seats in F open, but coach is oversold, some lucky souls may reap the benefit of being in the right place at the right time. Particularly if you're on something like a honeymoon, a gate agent may be feeling generous. Can't hurt to ask, can it?!

In terms of what you're likely to see, #4 is by far the most common. As a general rule, at least 50% of people in F domestically are elites who have upgraded. Followed in decreasing order of prevalence by #2, #3, #1, #5, #6, and #7.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Cameron

As an aside, I just spent a lovely weekend in your fine city. I'd never been, and I really enjoyed myself. It reminded me a lot of Austin.

[Edited 2013-01-27 22:49:23]

User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day ago) and read 7458 times:

Okay..I'll try again with no abbreviations...this post may stay longer


Coachclass...as a paying customer you get first choice. Non revs get what's left (at least on DL and I'm sure on most other carriers). And yes cabin crew do have a list that shows if a passenger has FF status or if theyre a nonrev.


User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6863 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 20):
Ok, here are the ways you can get to fly first class (some won't be applicable to you...you'll know them when you see them):

Thank you for all of the info, Cameron! That is exactly what I was looking for, and I appreciate all the details.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 20):
As an aside, I just spent a lovely weekend in your fine city. I'd never been, and I really enjoyed myself. It reminded me a lot of Austin.

  Glad you enjoyed your time here! It is indeed a nice city and I hope you'll return again.


User currently offlinevhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6398 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Beyond all the upgrades discussed above, BA often offer free upgrades to First Class from Club. They are running such a promotion at the moment, actually:

http://www.britishairways.com/travel...e-to-first/public/en_gb?source=r04

Depending on where you are going, this can bring First Class within reach. Much as I enjoy First on BA, I do not think it is worth the extra over Club, so I personally would never pay the full First fare.

Travel agents can often wring deals out of airlines in First at Club/Business prices. Trailfinders here in the UK are particularly good at this.


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