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What Is The Most Profitable Airline Hub Worldwide?  
User currently offlineJaxMan19 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 9503 times:

I know its hard to specifically point out, but maybe if we could speculate a top 10?

My top 5 would be:
ATL(DL)
DXB(EK)
FRA(LH)
MIA(AA)
SFO(UA)

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User currently offlinemartinrpo1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 9477 times:

ATL
MIA
DFW
IAH
PTY
HKG
SIN
DXB
IST
ZRH
FRA
MUC


User currently offlineairfrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2827 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 9344 times:

MSP has to be in there somewhere. Just paid a fortune for a DEN to MSP flight. Bear in mind that DEN is one of the least profitable hubs in the nation.

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 9334 times:

Well I'd stick DXB at the top of the list, but if you want to look at other REALLY big hubs in terms of total movements, and couple that with which airlines made the most profit, then
you have to include PEK and PVG.

I wouldn't stick any european hub there because european carriers have sustained heavy losses over the last few years, and even US carriers have largely outperformed them. Traditionally you probably could point to LHR, but things haven't been smooth sailing in europe recently.

If you measured it a completely different way, rather than total $$$ profit over all, you might find some of the smaller carriers like Finnair come out better than expected.

I'd say we should start with somebody getting the top 10 IATA carriers in terms of overall profit, and then looking at the hubs relative to each airlines profit. Some carriers, like Emirates, it will be very straight forward. But Lufthansa for example will be harder as FRA and MUC operations are split. And LAN... I expect they are doing well but with all the different LAN's around the place that one is going to be hard to pick which is its most profitable..it might even be GRU (through TAM!) ..


User currently offlineJaxMan19 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

Quoting martinrpo1 (Reply 1):
ATL
MIA
DFW
IAH
PTY
HKG
SIN
DXB
IST
ZRH
FRA
MUC

PTY? , you think?


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 9236 times:

Depends if you are are talking about margin or if on an absolete basis.

My example is that in the case of DL, historically MSP has been their highest margin hub, however ATL generates the most profit on an absolete basis.


User currently offlinePalmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 8693 times:

In this economy, none of them....     


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User currently offlineSYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8402 times:

DXB
HKG
SIN
NRT
ATL
FRA
PEK
CAN
PVG
ICN

[Edited 2013-02-01 01:49:58]


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User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

I would say SEN personally

User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 890 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8086 times:

I would add also CDG

User currently offlinemartinrpo1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8016 times:

PTY is a crucial connecting hub for Latin America, it is known as the HUb of the Americas. CM has amazing operations there. I would dare to say that more than 70% of the traffic is connecting. There are 6 different transit periods per day. All the planes arrive at a certain hour and all depart again an hour later. Transit period in average is 1 hour.

User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 990 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7781 times:

The problem is, you can't talk about "Hub" profitability; you can only talk about carrier profitability at a given hub. In that case, I believe EK at DXB, LH at FRA, DL at ATL, KL at AMS (not including AF loss!), MU at PVG, NH at NRT and TK at IST would be some of the top ones. However, once AA gets its act together, I would fully expect DFW to join this list. Also, it's very hard to talk about Hub profitability without dissecting it according to traffic type (O&D, Connecting, Domestic, International). I don't think it's really fair to compare EK profitability at DXB with DL profitability at ATL. Two totally different worlds in my view.

User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

If you mean in terms of profitability for a potential airline operating into... I'd say (in no particular order)
LHR
NRT/HND
JFK
PVG

DXB is no longer so profitable for others, except EK.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Not to be bias about PTY writing from Panama, but PTY seems very underrated as a profitable airline hub operation.
It's because CM isn't an airline with deep pockets flying B787/A380 and global operations?
I'd also consider ADD as a very profitable hub too.

Many of the airports which have been mentioned on this topic look more like "O/D airports with sizeable connecting traffic" than hubs.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

EWR-UA
DCA-US
IAH-UA
CLT-US

http://www.sungazette.net/arlington/...6-773d-11e1-bd8d-001871e3ce6c.html

For North America

[Edited 2013-02-01 07:13:12]

User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Quoting COalways (Reply 14):
DCA-US

Wow, that surprises me, given all of the operational restrictions at that airport. But it is true that fliers to that destination much prefer DCA to IAD. (Back when I was travelling to the Maryland side of the Beltway a lot, my secret weapon was BWI.)


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Maybe the best approach is to identifty those airlines which are the most profitable and then create a list. For example, while MIA may be a very good hub, AA's high costs may cause MIA to drop out of the top 10 list of the most profitable.

Based on DL's profits, I would expect at least one DL hub to be in the top 10. Also, I would expect either IAH or IAD to rank high. IAH had the 3rd highest average domestic (U.S.) airfare in Q3 of 2012. IAD had the 4th highest average domestic (U.S.) airfare in Q3.

Internationally, the first two hubs that come to mind are ZRH and DXB.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 13):
Not to be bias about PTY writing from Panama, but PTY seems very underrated as a profitable airline hub operation

   CM has a consistently higher profit margin than any of the other carriers mentioned so far, and it's almost 100% focused on PTY. I'd bet PTY is the highest margin hub in the world by far.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 3):
Well I'd stick DXB at the top of the list,

Is EK really that profitable, or do they get Govt help?


User currently offlineplaniac787 From India, joined May 2012, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

well talking if you are talking about one airline one hub then the list for me would be

LHR
DFW
JFK
PVG
ORD
LAX
FRA
SIN
BKK
ATL

not in the same order of course

and potentially coming up hubs would definitely include

DEL



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Quoting planiac787 (Reply 19):
JFK
Quoting planiac787 (Reply 19):
ORD

These hubs are not very profitable.


User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

I find CM fares consistently pretty high (like LAN), as compared with TA at SAL or connecting through MEX or MIA for that matter.

User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3051 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3552 times:
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Quoting timpdx (Reply 21):
I find CM fares consistently pretty high (like LAN), as compared with TA at SAL or connecting through MEX or MIA for that matter.

From YYZ, CM is always cheapest to GRU and GIG.

Plus there's a ton of other options to Brazil such as CNF, POA, REC, BSB and MAO. Hopefully CWB and SSA soon!



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3385 times:
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I thought for sure LHR would be, given the high volume, combined with the high departure taxes.

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