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Largest Routes Not Flown For Political Reasons?  
User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10007 times:

What are the largest markets that do not have nonstop flights due to politics and flying restrictions between the countries? LAX-IKA and MIA-HAV immediately come to mind.

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User currently offlineBlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9888 times:

Anywhere to FNJ that isn't flown by Air Koryo or Air China.

I don't know if it's considered a political reason, but AA to TLV.


User currently offlinebeechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9833 times:

SEL-FNJ. Not sure if there is actually any market between these two due to long standing political divides but two large cities that are near each other that would likely have multi hourly service if not for the whole communist and subsequent war in the 1950s thing.

User currently offlinebeechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9833 times:

Ha ha, damn blueline, beat me by a few seconds.

User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

Quoting BlueLine (Reply 1):
Anywhere to FNJ that isn't flown by Air Koryo or Air China.

I don't know if it's considered a political reason, but AA to TLV.

I guess FNJ is different in that the pool of people wanting to fly there is so much smaller than to, say, HAV.

I think that's more a question of AA's own issues with TLV, since UA and DL fly to TLV and relations between the two countries are very warm, to say the least.


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9768 times:

Quoting beechtobus (Reply 2):
SEL-FNJ. Not sure if there is actually any market between these two due to long standing political divides but two large cities that are near each other that would likely have multi hourly service if not for the whole communist and subsequent war in the 1950s thing.

Very likely, yes.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9693 times:

For many years no airline service was allowed between Taiwan and Mainland China. This is part of the reason why Cathay Pacific grew so much since people had to transit via HKG or other airports.

For most of the 1990s, no Korean or Taiwanese airlines could fly between South Korea and Taiwan. Eventually the bilaterals were changed. Thai Airways and Cathay Pacific did start service on the route in the interim.

Currently there are very very few routes between India and Pakistan for political reasons.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9669 times:

There are something like a dozen flights a day between Miami and Havana, some on AA. I'm vexed by that example, what do you mean? (Sorry if I missed it, I need some coffee   )


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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9561 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 4):
I think that's more a question of AA's own issues with TLV

  

When AA bought TWA they refused to pay some of the employees in Israel that were for some reason not paid by TWA.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 7):

Not anyone can just freely buy a ticket on those flights, they're charters.



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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9483 times:

TLV to the Gulf countries. It would be very easy to see EK, EY or QR with multiple daily flights to Tel Aviv for connections and tourism and businesses in both directions... if I am not mistaken Turkish Airlines is the most popular or one of the most popular foreign carriers in Israel now so religion and politics fortunately do not have much to do with price, service and connectivity.

Quoting beechtobus (Reply 2):

I doubt that would happen in the long term in a hypotetical reunification. Pyongyang is only 120 miles in a line to Seoul, and both Gimpo and Incheon are more towards the North Korean border (so they are even closer!). Kaesong, North Korean second largest city and their "industrial" center is about 40 miles to Seoul... if reunificated, it would almost become a Seoul suburb.

If I am not mistaken, FNJ is closer to Seoul than any other domestic South Korean airport with services to GMP/ICN. Probably currently there would be the issues with the lack of good road/train infrastructure, but I am sure in Asia they would plan a high-speed train service very quickly (just dreaming). TAE (Daegu) is slightly further than Pyongyang to Seoul and it only has services to ICN with KE for long-haul connections (there are not even services to GMP or Asiana to Seoul), the train is only 1h30'.

[Edited 2013-01-31 19:48:27]

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6216 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9483 times:
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Mexico broke all diplomatic ties with Chile after Pinochet came to power. For years MEX-SCL had been a big market flown I believe by CP-Air. After 1973, all flights were gone.

When democracy returned to Chile, Lan Chile started flying to MEX one year later. It´s now back to being of the biggest Latin American markets out of MEX.


User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

DAM-TLV
BEY-TLV
LCA-IST
LCA-ANK
are few routes that come to mind


User currently offlinejfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 11):

DAM-TLV
BEY-TLV
LCA-IST
LCA-ANK
are few routes that come to mind

Please advise why you would believe if DAM & BEY would even be on the list for flights between TLV?

I believe the topic is largest markets that are not served because of political reasons but do call for flights.

People in Israel would never travel to Lebanon or Syria for absolutely any reason. If there were peace it would take years for Israelis to even consider visiting these nations.

Lebanon is of course much higher on the list then Syria - As I am sure if it wasn't for the Hezobolah a large amount of Israelis would love to visit BEY for tourist and business purposes.

BEY actually falls in a list of cities were Israelis would thrive in business if they had a chance.

Turkey, UAE and Qatar are the three leading countries where Israelis are currently visiting and making fortunes.
Turkey is back and fourth trade -

UAE & Qatar fall into the category of business being done in the cities of Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Doha


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6756 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Thread starter):
LAX-IKA and MIA-HAV immediately come to mind.

MIA-HAV is flown non stop mutliple times a day by various carriers including American, Delta, IBC, Songbird. I think Vision stopped flying that route. They also fly to TPA and FLL from HAV and eventually MCO.

One of the biggest routes I see not flown for political reasons is:

DTW - BEY and just about most other Mideast flights in that region (Syria, Iran, Palestinian areas)


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6681 times:

Not to get too technical, but FNJ-ICN and FNJ-SEL are both around 130 miles, so I'm not sure there would be multi-hourly flights... high speed train service though, is a different story.

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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

Does anyone operate flights between Yerevan and Istanbul? TK or Armenavia?


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User currently offlineSYDBCN From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 15):
Does anyone operate flights between Yerevan and Istanbul? TK or Armenavia?

Armavia operates 2 flights a week

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 13):
MIA-HAV is flown non stop mutliple times a day by various carriers including American, Delta, IBC, Songbird. I think Vision stopped flying that route. They also fly to TPA and FLL from HAV and eventually MCO.

i cannot see any MIA-HAV flights operated by anyone... certainly not USA airlines...


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

Quoting SYDBCN (Reply 16):
i cannot see any MIA-HAV flights operated by anyone... certainly not USA airlines...

They are special government-sanctioned charters. Certainly not for the open public.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5957 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

Quoting SYDBCN (Reply 16):
i cannot see any MIA-HAV flights operated by anyone... certainly not USA airlines...

Something like 5 US airlines fly between the US and Cuba....it's all charter service. Think the last time I checked AA, DL UA, Silver and B6.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9450 for example.

http://www.abc-charters.com/pages/flights.asp

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 17):
Certainly not for the open public.

They are open to the public if you have a permit from the state department permitting Cuba travel.



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

Quoting SYDBCN (Reply 16):
i cannot see any MIA-HAV flights operated by anyone... certainly not USA airlines...
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/MUHA/arrivals

Special charter flights only with government approval so probably should not be counted for the purpose of this thread.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5866 times:
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Quoting SYDBCN (Reply 16):
i cannot see any MIA-HAV flights operated by anyone... certainly not USA airlines...

They are schedule charters and have restrictions on whom may buy and fly.
This morning there are arrivals from Miami at 9 and 10 am by Sky King 737s and at 11am by American Airlines B738 N865NN !

But sure is sure they exist. Seen them myself on a vacation to Cuba from the UK

For this thread my monies on TLV-THR. Prior history suggests significant traffic existed followed by TLV- JED there are many many hundreds of thousand of Israeli Arab Muslems and Iranian Jews that WOULD travel if allowed !

How about TLV-Morocco - a country with a Sephardi Jewish diaspora ?

[Edited 2013-02-01 06:38:09]

[Edited 2013-02-01 06:41:55]

User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

Licenses to visit Cuba by US citizens are granted by the Bureau of Foreign Assets Control, a bureau of the Federal Department of Commerce. Additionally, US citizens of Cuban extraction are able to visit relatives in Cuba I think one time per year. This is also a primary reason for the charter flights.


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User currently offlinedlphoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting jfk787nyc (Reply 12):
Please advise why you would believe if DAM & BEY would even be on the list for flights between TLV?

There are multiple business and leisure opportunities that would support such travel. The train routes between Haifa and Damascus and Haifa and Beirut were quite busy before 1948. Just to name a few:
- Trade
- Utilizing available talent across the border
- Services
- Tourism
- VFRs

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 14):
Not to get too technical, but FNJ-ICN and FNJ-SEL are both around 130 miles, so I'm not sure there would be multi-hourly flights... high speed train service though, is a different story.

Driving for a norther suburb of Seoul to Pyong Yang is like driving from Chandler Arizona to Tucson.

You reach your destination faster than it would have taken you to reach the airpline.

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User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

In Africa, ADD-ASM comes to mind. Asmara was the second largest city in Ethiopia before Eritrea broke off. Even in the 80s, ET had daily flights b/w the two cities. Nowadays, I could have foreseen 3+ daily flights, if political challenges didn't get in the way.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 17):
They are special government-sanctioned charters. Certainly not for the open public.

I expect this policy to change soon, in this current term.


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4151 times:
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Practically every South Korean airport with airline service has flights to Jeju, so I'd imagine the following routes to open up in a hypothetically reunited Korea.

Pyongyang-Jeju
Hamhung-Jeju
Sinuiju-Jeju

And in addition...

Pyongyang-Busan
Pyongyang-Tokyo
Pyongyang-Incheon (for connections)

Pyongyang-Incheon has been flown on an ad-hoc basis on numerous occasions, especially in the early 2000's at the height of South Korea's Sunshine Policy.



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1312 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

I bet Singapore Airlines would fly to Tel Aviv tomorrow if they could. Other asian airlines not flying to TLV probably not doing so in order not to loose the arab market, Air China, China Southern, Cathay Pacific and Thai come to mind. Korean Air, who do fly to Israel, operate pretty successful route.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
TLV to the Gulf countries. It would be very easy to see EK, EY or QR with multiple daily flights to Tel Aviv for connections and tourism and businesses in both directions... if I am not mistaken Turkish Airlines is the most popular or one of the most popular foreign carriers in Israel now so religion and politics fortunately do not have much to do with price, service and connectivity.

For sure, EK could fill up few daily flights out of Israel connecting the Israelis to the rest of the world. Just look at Royal Jordanian, relatively small airline - on some of it's far east flights up to 50% of passengers are Israelis!

Turkish airlines is indeed doing well in Israel, based on the connecting traffic, so as the low cost Pegasus Airlines.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Between TLV and CMN TUN THR JED DXB maybe BEY
Between LAX JFK/EWR and THR
Between Nicaragua and Colombia



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 13):
DTW - BEY and just about most other Mideast flights in that region (Syria, Iran, Palestinian areas)

YUL-BEY on AC comes to mind as a route that has been tossed out there but has never started due to security reasons (Israel-Lebanon conflict in 2006) and political pressure post 9/11, IIRC this route was considered as early as 2003.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

There could be a lot of oil traffic between YYC and DXB if it weren't for Canadian restrictions on UAE carriers. I remember hearing rumours that if the bilateral were changed to allow more flights, YYC would be EK's next destination after the currently served YYZ.


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 28):
There could be a lot of oil traffic between YYC and DXB if it weren't for Canadian restrictions on UAE carriers. I remember hearing rumours that if the bilateral were changed to allow more flights, YYC would be EK's next destination after the currently served YYZ.

IIRC the Canadian government offered YYC and YVR to the UAE but the frequency increase at YYZ wasn't desired by EK showing that they really only wanted unlimited access to YYZ.

Also DXB isn't a big oil market compared to other areas in the region, QR and EY would be better choices to serve YYC to support oil traffic.



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

If it wasn't both for politics AND aircraft range, SEA-Mogadishu.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Thread starter):
What are the largest markets that do not have nonstop flights due to politics and flying restrictions between the countries? LAX-IKA and MIA-HAV immediately come to mind.

Besides Tehrangeles(as many Persians call LAX), there is also a big market for IAH-IKA, too.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 13):

DTW - BEY and just about most other Mideast flights in that region (Syria, Iran, Palestinian areas)

DTW-SDA......been talks about this for years, but nothing happening as of yet. Detroit is the Iraqi capital of the USA.

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 11):
DAM-TLV
BEY-TLV
LCA-IST
LCA-ANK

By the same token, ATH-ECN........a number of Greeks still live in the North part of Cyprus.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27000 posts, RR: 57
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 30):
By the same token, ATH-ECN........a number of Greeks still live in the North part of Cyprus.

No it would not be a sustainable route there are not that many left sadly and they have neither the freedom nor the money to travel. Believe me I have been there myself and talked to them in the small Greek enclaves that exist. There may one day be a jointly operated Nicosia Airport which serves both North and South something like a mini BSL Europort but that is at least 10-20 years away if at all. Then you would see LCA operations move to NIC and so NIC-ATH etc.. would be the route but not ECN.


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 30):
Detroit is the Iraqi capital of the USA.

And Lebanese capital of the US!

BEY-NYC is a massive market not served since the embassy bombing in 1980s.

I am not sure about the above mentioned Beirut- Tel Aviv routes. There are not many Lebanese interests in Israel!



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User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Not sure how much of a market there would be today, but I remember reading that pre-revolution, El Al did quite well on the TLV-THR route.


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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

A long time ago there were large Jewish communities across the middle east- even in Beirut.
There are still synagogs etc but times have changed and we are a much more divided land mass.
I don't think TLV-THR would ever re commence in our life time.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27000 posts, RR: 57
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 34):
A long time ago there were large Jewish communities across the middle east- even in Beirut.
There are still synagogs etc but times have changed and we are a much more divided land mass.
I don't think TLV-THR would ever re commence in our life time.

Indeed . Demography has changed never to return to what it was. Christians/Jews have been removed from many places in the Middle East like Egypt/Iraq/Iran/Lebanon etc... I saw the the restored Synagogue in Beirut when I was there . Well at least got a climpse of it. Totally fenced off and swarming with armed guards and no photos allowed. I doubt the 150 Jews left in Lebanon would warrant flights anytime soon ! The only time I see TLV-BEY is maybe 20-30 years down the line if and when peace comes and then trade starts. Hard to imagine though.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Miami-Valencia and Los Angeles Tehran are both approximately 140 PDEW, and neither are flown for political reasons. AA keeps trying to fly the former - and in fact renewed its route authority today - to no avail.

Montreal-Beiruit is far larger than either DTWBEY/NYCBEY. It is around 115 PDEW and also not flown for political reasons, as we've seen from the Air Canada debacle about a decade back.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

EVN-GYD is another route which would have a (comparatively) good amount of traffic, along the lines of GYD-TBS.


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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 31):
No it would not be a sustainable route there are not that many left sadly and they have neither the freedom nor the money to travel. Believe me I have been there myself and talked to them in the small Greek enclaves that exist. There may one day be a jointly operated Nicosia Airport which serves both North and South something like a mini BSL Europort but that is at least 10-20 years away if at all. Then you would see LCA operations move to NIC and so NIC-ATH etc.. would be the route but not ECN.

NIC, of course, would be the natural choice......the reason I said ECN is because I haven't heard anything about that airport in years.......and presumed that it was closed/demolished......

So, does the NIC airport still exist???


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 35):
The only time I see TLV-BEY is maybe 20-30 years down the line if and when peace comes and then trade starts. Hard to imagine though.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 35):
I saw the the restored Synagogue in Beirut when I was there .

I haven't seen it yet but read that it had (or was going to be ) restored at a cost of a few million dollars.
50/60 years ago people did just "get along" - even in Palestine, the Palestinians and Jewish lived side
by side and were friends. It's always the extremists that upset the balance (PLO, initial Zion invasion etc).

Anyway, during a cease fire and peace treaty in the 1980s, Israel and Lebanon even mentioned having
direct flights from Beirut to Tel Aviv, they even decided on the frequency- I believe it was 4 weekly with
707s at the time. But then the country descended into more problems.

Oddly enough, ME *could* do well out of TLV, it would probably be a preferred airline for Palestinians traveling
to Europe and the Middle East, connecting through Beirut. However, I don't see it happening, peace or the
resumption of flights for a very very very long time.
It would be nice to see Palestinian Airlines resuming flights from Gaza. Didn't they have 2 CRJs and a 727?
The airport in Gaza is in pieces, it would take a long time to restore it.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 39):
It would be nice to see Palestinian Airlines resuming flights from Gaza. Didn't they have 2 CRJs and a 727?

If memory correct the CRJs couldn't be delivered as the airport was destroyed shortly before they were due to be delivered. They were parked at YUL for quite a while before they found new homes.


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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 23):
In Africa, ADD-ASM comes to mind. Asmara was the second largest city in Ethiopia before Eritrea broke off. Even in the 80s, ET had daily flights b/w the two cities. Nowadays, I could have foreseen 3+ daily flights, if political challenges didn't get in the way.

Did ET also previously have flights to Massawa??


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27000 posts, RR: 57
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 38):
So, does the NIC airport still exist???

Yes it still exists I saw it on one of my trips there. Its inside a controlled area though. The runway and building would need to be re built as its not useable at all in its present state. So basically knock down and start again. Still its a decent site for any new NIC. Would be kind of sad in a way as its history frozen in time but it cant stay like that forever.


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