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Next Big Merger In The United States  
User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Now that the famous AA/US merger has come to a final agreement as discussed intensively in zillions of other posts, there will soon be 5 big airlines in the US:
-American
-Delta
-JetBlue
-Southwest
-United

And the small ones:
-Alaska
-Frontier
-Spirit
-Virgin America
-Hawaiian

Here is a recap of the big mergers this century:

2001: AA + TW = AA
2005: US + HP = US
2008: DL + NW = DL
2010: UA + CO = UA
2011: WN + Air Tran = WN
2013: AA + US = AA

What does everyone think the next one will be?

I would guess: Delta takes over Alaska.

Ben Soriano


Ben Soriano
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User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Possibly another one involving DL such as DL + HA = DL

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Quoting american 767 (Thread starter):
What does everyone think the next one will be?

I strongly doubt that DOT/DOJ will permit ANY merger involving the "Big Three". I think they will approve mergers among the second rank airlines.

Gemuser



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 1):
Possibly another one involving DL such as DL + HA = DL

With HA? Nope not going to happen....

I'm assuming AS with someone else, but not for a while.

If CP gets its arse off the ground, maybe they'll merge with AS and form something



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

How about a merger among the regionals like XJ/ASA? What would be the next "big one" on that front?


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User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

It would not surprise me to see Southwest and Alaska merge.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

I believe the only logical pair out of the list is jetBlue + Virgin America, dumping VX's First Class.

Hawaiian has no need to merge with anyone else. Alaska will continue to be opportunistic in terms of routes, hubs, and codeshares. Spirit may continue as our only ULCC, and what happens to Frontier is anyone's guess.



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4):
What would be the next "big one" on that front?

Eagle and PSA?  

My guess is that the mergers are done for a while now. We might see someone go under though and have their assets bought, who would that be? I have no idea. I do think that unless a turnaround of incredible proportions happens that VX will probably fail, they cater to a market that just isn't there. There would be some easy gate space to fill at LAX and SFO if that were to happen.

But honestly, I think there won't be any mergers for a long time.



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting american 767 (Thread starter):
-JetBlue

JetBlue doesn't belong with UA, DL, WN and AA/US. There are 4 big airlines (AA, UA, DL & WN) and then the rest. WN is the next biggest from B6 and they are 5x larger then B6, B6 is in the pack with AS, F9 etc...



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting american 767 (Thread starter):
I would guess: Delta takes over Alaska.

Why would AS want to merge with DL? They're much better off remaining independent and having the flexibility to work with all airlines, especially considering that many AS markets have little competition.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1082 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

My WAG would be HA/AS...and that is iffy. I agree with Gemuser that anything involving UA/AA/DL will have a hard time passing the Feds (barring another 2008 meltdown or, God forbid, massive terrorist attack). The next round of consolidaiton is definately the regional tier. With only 3 majors, there is no need for 5 large holding companies plus a handful of indies.

User currently offlinemikeology From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
I believe the only logical pair out of the list is jetBlue + Virgin America, dumping VX's First Class.

My first thoughts were exactly the same. Considering VX may be out in a few years B6 would pick up aircraft it already utilizes. Not to mention similar routes. Not sure about seeing SFO or LAX as a B6 hub


User currently offlinecessna53996 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 3042 times:

B6 taking over VX would be a great move for B6, they really need a much larger west coast presence, and this would definitely give them one. SFO would be a good fit for B6, but I'm skeptical about LAX simply because of the intense competition. B6 would gain 30 A320neos, 53 A320s, and 10 A319s (maybe they could give those to AAY). They could probably double or triple their west coast ops by doing this. Though Barger said they wanted independent, organic growth, which may throw a monkey wrench into this.


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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months ago) and read 3009 times:
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Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8):
JetBlue doesn't belong with UA, DL, WN and AA/US. There are 4 big airlines (AA, UA, DL & WN) and then the rest.

I agree with this clarification. I can't see any more merger in the short term. DL and UA are still working through their merger process, the AA/US process is only starting. WN is discovering that the takeover wasn't as smooth as they first thought.

So unless VX go under and get bought up by B6 or 1 of the big three I would say no mergers for 3-5 years.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Quoting american 767 (Thread starter):
I would guess: Delta takes over Alaska.

Why would AS want to merge with DL? They're much better off remaining independent and having the flexibility to work with all airlines, especially considering that many AS markets have little competition.

Yeah, I still have never seen the memo that states that it just has to be a foregone conclusion that AS has to merge with someone because of changing times, or whatever.........

Someone explain to me what law makes it mandatory or foregone that AS cannot remain independent indefinitely.


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3140 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 13):
DL is still working through their merger process

It is? Pray tell, what's left to work out?



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User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Fedex and UPS .......new company will be called FedUP

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Hawaiian, with their routes they must be an interest to someone, say AA for example.


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2606 times:

As stated above, there won't be any mergers for while.
But, I would like see B6 and VX merge, the fleets are the
same and B6 needs a bigger presence on the west coast.

Or how about B6 and Spirit?


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Quoting n729pa (Reply 16):
Hawaiian, with their routes they must be an interest to someone, say AA for example.

HA's network would be a great fit into the new AA's network and fill a massive AA hole. But I don't see anything going on with HA merger-wise for the next 10 years.



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