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Why Pay Extra For Early Boarding?  
User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

I have never seen the point of getting on the plane early, so why would anybody pay to get on the aircraft early?


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User currently offlineflyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Southwest offers it but they also don't have assigned seating so its worth it there. Take a window or aisle over a middle seat any day. They may be the exception to the rule.


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User currently onlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8292 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

So there's room for their carry-ons in the bin. Pretty simple, really, if you're last, there's no more room for your bag!


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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

So there will be overhead space for your carry-on bags.

User currently offlineokapi From France, joined Jun 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Because of the limited amount of space in the overhead compartments. As most people tend to travel with as large or heavy as possible hand-luggage to avoid belly fees, if you are the last to board, chances are you will have a hard time finding proper storage room up-there...
Not to mention the best seats on board, near the exits, that is.


User currently offlineflyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

It's amazing how many people said over head bin space. If they would fly southwest 2 bags fly free and there would be no need to pay for overhead space, just a better seat on the plane.

FLY



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
So there's room for their carry-ons in the bin.

On top of that, if you board early, you spend less time standing in the aisle until everyone's jackets are neatly folded and stowed.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
So there's room for their carry-ons in the bin. Pretty simple, really, if you're last, there's no more room for your bag!
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 3):
So there will be overhead space for your carry-on bags.
Quoting okapi (Reply 4):
Because of the limited amount of space in the overhead compartments.

This really is a pet peeve of mine.

I recently flew on a full cost ticket, baggage and meal included to NZ.

I was one of the last passengers to board, my seat allocation was 2a, and the overhead bins were all full. Feeling somewhat frustrated, I just turned to the two FA standing nearby, and handed them my carry on bag, after all, if the airline accepts you for flying with baggage, but yet there is no room on board for the carry on bag that I paid to bring, then as far as I'm concerned it's the airlines problem.

It seems these days that more and more airlines are not adhering to there own carry on policy's, and more and more people are choosing to bring luggage on board rather than check it in the hold.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

I know why you would want to get your carry on Winnebago of a carry-on but why would you pay for such a thing. I would just make sure to push my way to the front of the line and board out of sequence just so I don't have to pay for the privilege of having room for my satchel.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 3):
So there will be overhead space for your carry-on bags.

Why do you have more than one carry-on item?

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 3):

Because of the limited amount of space in the overhead compartments. As most people tend to travel with as large or heavy as possible hand-luggage to avoid belly fees, if you are the last to board, chances are you will have a hard time finding proper storage room up-there...
Not to mention the best seats on board, near the exits, that is

It amazes me to no end that people will try to avoid paying for checked luggage yet pay to board the aircraft in the first so that they can stow the unchecked bags. This is to me utter stupidity.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 8):
I would just make sure to push my way to the front of the line and board out of sequence just so I don't have to pay for the privilege of having room for my satchel.

Yeah... the staff at the gate and the other passengers would just love that.  

Quoting brilondon (Reply 8):
Why do you have more than one carry-on item?

...because he is allowed one bag and one personal item. Apart from that, certain exceptions even from that rule do apply.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 8):
It amazes me to no end that people will try to avoid paying for checked luggage yet pay to board the aircraft in the first so that they can stow the unchecked bags.

I assume that you have never been in a situation where you travel for a couple of days, but have to limit yourself to carry-on baggage for any number of reasons. I do much of my flying under those exact circumstances, so I really enjoy the benefits of boarding early (now that I get it for free).

Quoting brilondon (Reply 8):
This is to me utter stupidity.

Why are you so fast with the insults? People tend to have reasons for doing what they do, who are you to judge?



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

Everyone puts different values on things.

I put a lot of value of time, efficiency, and personal space... but I also don't like to spend money that has limited benefit relative to the expenditure. I don't routinely pay to board early, but I will if I can't finagle my way to an earlier boarding slot, occasionally. Sometimes you're just tired and you want to get on and not fight for space. Sometimes you just don't want to be standing a long time.

It depends. Everyone's different.



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User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

In addition to bin space, I frequently have schedule issues either with a connection (if my plane is running late) or making it to a meeting, lunch, dinner, or whatever I'm traveling for. Put me in the back of a 737-800 on WN and it can take nearly 15 minutes to get out. 15 minutes on top of a 1 hour flight is a considerable time penalty. I am astonished at how slow some people can be at the end of a flight. Sometimes they figure they have to wait for their bags anyway, so why rush. I don't have to wait for their bags.

User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 9):
...because he is allowed one bag and one personal item. Apart from that, certain exceptions even from that rule do apply.

Yes, but these "items" are getting bigger and heavier than they ever use to be, therefor, taking up more room in the overhead bins, and more time, as they place multiple items in the bins

This is now becoming more and more of a problem, after all, they are the ones (the airlines) who have introduced all these different types of fares. The direct result is, more and more people are bringing carry on, instead of checking it in the hold to save money.

Quoting aloges (Reply 9):
I do much of my flying under those exact circumstances, so I really enjoy the benefits of boarding early (now that I get it for free).

Wonder how long it will be, until too many people want to "pay to board early" and they can it, because its no longer effective or is working the way it was designed.



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4022 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3066 times:
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I think airlines are very much aware that they have too many status passengers chasing too few rewards. The problem is that it is hard to do more than a few minor changes at the edges, for fear of seeing mid-level elite passengers, the ones most affected by a change, walk away to another carrier.

If US carriers could start with a blank slate, I would expect their program would resemble Lufthansa's or Singapore's a lot more than their own programs.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 12):
Wonder how long it will be, until too many people want to "pay to board early" and they can it, because its no longer effective or is working the way it was designed.

Can it? You haven't met an airline lately, have you?

If and when we get to that point stand by for a new "Earlier Boarding" fee to get on ahead of the "Early Boarding" fee-paying passengers.

Seriously, airlines will not walk away from an ancillary fee simply because it doesn't deliver on the promised benefits. Expect them instead to raise the fee to a new price point where demand is lower but overall revenue remains the same. Benefit restored, revenue flow uncompromised, and a few additional grumpy passengers, what airline beans counters call just another day at the office...



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 12):
Yes, but these "items" are getting bigger and heavier than they ever use to be, therefor, taking up more room in the overhead bins, and more time, as they place multiple items in the bins

When you see ANA start boarding a 747-400 (or a 777-300ER) at 11:20AM and push back from the gate at 11:30AM, you'll realize that the problem isn't the bags, it's the culture. (And yes, I've actually experienced that - it's an amazing thing to watch.)

Common sense used to be common because people were taught it, but it seems we no longer are. Somebody needs to teach a person from the time they're a child to get out of the way of others; if they don't grow up with that mentality, they're not going to do it. (In fact, it seems some people are taught the opposite now, that they're a special snowflake and everyone else has to wait for them.) And that's the problem with boarding, people standing in the aisles of airplanes doing any number of things (or even worse, walking *up* the aisle to use the bathroom during boarding after finding their seat), while a long line of passengers snakes back into the terminal. It's not just about the bags, it's a whole mentality.

You see the same thing when de-boarding. It doesn't take someone very long to pull their bags down from the bin, however big they are. But they will stand there putting their coat on, they'll continue the chat they were having with their seatmates, then they will walk down the aisle like they're strolling through the park. The bags are definitely not the only problem.

Anyway, I don't generally pay extra specifically for early boarding but I appreciate it if it comes with something else, like it does with JetBlue's EMS seats or Delta's EC. I like it not really because of the bin space (I only ever bring a coat and a messenger bag on board) but because I don't have to stand in these long immovable lines of passengers standing in a jetway waiting for someone on the plane to get out of the aisle as he combs his hair or something. Even with an EMS seat, on my last JetBlue flight I was stuck in a 90 degree jetway for about 10 minutes as other EMS passengers clogged up the aisle.



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User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 14):
Common sense used to be common because people were taught it, but it seems we no longer are. Somebody needs to teach a person from the time they're a child to get out of the way of others; if they don't grow up with that mentality, they're not going to do it. (In fact, it seems some people are taught the opposite now, that they're a special snowflake and everyone else has to wait for them.) And that's the problem with boarding, people standing in the aisles of airplanes doing any number of things (or even worse, walking *up* the aisle to use the bathroom during boarding after finding their seat), while a long line of passengers snakes back into the terminal. It's not just about the bags, it's a whole mentality.

My very favorite is the guy who very carefully removes his suit coat, carefully folds it just so, and lovingly lays it down in the overhead bin all by its lonesome self. Then someone like me who can't see into the bin anyway slides his carry on bag into the bin, thereby crunching the coat into a disorderly ball at the back of the bin.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting aklrno (Reply 15):
Then someone like me who can't see into the bin anyway slides his carry on bag into the bin, thereby crunching the coat into a disorderly ball at the back of the bin.

Too funny! I once had some grumpy woman complain to me that I had done just that with her jacket - what she failed to take into account was that I'm tall enough to check the farthest corner of the biggest overhead bin on the roomiest airliner out there and had in fact done so before putting my carry-on in there.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 7):
Feeling somewhat frustrated, I just turned to the two FA standing nearby, and handed them my carry on bag,


What did the FA do with you bag?

Quoting brilondon (Reply 8):
know why you would want to get your carry on Winnebago of a carry-on but why would you pay for such a thing. I would just make sure to push my way to the front of the line and board out of sequence just so I don't have to pay for the privilege of having room for my satchel.


Really, myself and many others would be the folks who stopped you from pushing your way anywhere. That type of thing is one of the reasons boarding an airplane is such a mess.

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 10):
Everyone puts different values on things.

I put a lot of value of time, efficiency, and personal space... but I also don't like to spend money that has limited benefit relative to the expenditure. I don't routinely pay to board early, but I will if I can't finagle my way to an earlier boarding slot, occasionally. Sometimes you're just tired and you want to get on and not fight for space. Sometimes you just don't want to be standing a long time.

It depends. Everyone's different.


Well said.



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User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 681 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2987 times:
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I am with IAHFLYR so don't even think you're going to "push my way to the front" by me. I don't fly 100K+miles/100+flight segments a year to be expected to accept or tolerate rude behavior from anyone. I was recently upgraded on a DL flight and a man bumped into me and remarked "Step aside. I am in First Class." I turned, smiled and responded "As am I and you are going to board right after me." Guess who ended up sitting beside me? I smiled again and responded "We meet again." Not a word or peep out of the guy the entire flight. A self important jerk with no manners or as my Grandmother would say "Didn't have no upbringing."
I do have status on DL and enjoy the usual perks so seat selection, free bag check, priority boarding and so on are provided free of charge. I do however buy "Early Bird" boarding on WN to simply get on board quickly, sit down and get out of everyone else's way. I don't rush on to get row 1 (never sat there) or the exit row, but to simplify things for myself. I generally only have a one item carryon.....a backpack, portfolio or small laptop rollerboard that goes under the seat in front of me. I rarely put anything in an overhead bin.
I even fly occasionally with a cabin pet. I board with the kennel and a smaller portfolio type bag that contains the dog's collar, leash, poop bag, toys, water cup, car keys, magazine and if lucky a free drink coupon! All goes under the seat in front so you can learn to travel smarter, whether you fly twice or 50 times a year.
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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 18):
Guess who ended up sitting beside me? I smiled again and responded "We meet again." Not a word or peep out of the guy the entire flight. A self important jerk with no manners or as my Grandmother would say "Didn't have no upbringing."


That's always the case no matter where you find this type person in the terminal. Seems we always find some clown attempting to march their way to the front of a line bumping others at security or Pre-Check, airline club, blindly texting as they wander down a corridor or boarding the flight.....rude guy is ALWAYS on our flight either right behind us or across the aisle from me.  

Your Grandmother is spot on!!

Quoting brilondon (Thread starter):
I have never seen the point of getting on the plane early, so why would anybody pay to get on the aircraft early?


Some folks may actually be able to get 30 extra minutes of work accomplished before they shut the door For some time is money so they gladly pay to board early if they don't have smaller and smaller perks of being upper tier FF.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 5):
It's amazing how many people said over head bin space. If they would fly southwest 2 bags fly free and there would be no need to pay for overhead space, just a better seat on the plane.

Most people prefer to avoid having to wait for their bags on arrival, regardless of whether checked bags are free or not. I haven't checked a bag in 10 years and can't begin to count the time I've saved by being able to walk out of the airport without spending half an hour (sometimes more) at baggage claim, and not having to worry that your bag has gone astray. For major airlines it's common for as many as 10 bags per 1000 to be lost or misdirected.


User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Absolutely agree regarding the checked bag thing. I'd rather know exactly where my bag is and not have to wait for anything. I don't care if I get a free checked bag; it's not worth the hassle. I'll only check when I absolutely have to do so (e.g. bringing back a bottle of wine from Italy).


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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Quoting aklrno (Reply 15):
My very favorite is the guy who very carefully removes his suit coat, carefully folds it just so, and lovingly lays it down in the overhead bin all by its lonesome self. Then someone like me who can't see into the bin anyway slides his carry on bag into the bin, thereby crunching the coat into a disorderly ball at the back of the bin.

I am one of those people who do check my bags and don't carry on all my luggage. I have seen it time and time again. People would bring their one carry on and then their "personal item" which is as big if not bigger then their carry on and put that in the overhead bin along with their carry-on.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):

Most people prefer to avoid having to wait for their bags on arrival, regardless of whether checked bags are free or not. I haven't checked a bag in 10 years and can't begin to count the time I've saved by being able to walk out of the airport without spending half an hour (sometimes more) at baggage claim, and not having to worry that your bag has gone astray. For major airlines it's common for as many as 10 bags per 1000 to be lost or misdirected.

From what I can decipher from the above comments from all of you, that you would prefer to bring your luggage and everything on board and not check any luggage.

The 10 bags per 1000 or the one percent of luggage that gets "lost", which is a misnomer, usually are not labeled correctly or have the persons home address on it and not where they are flying to. I have seen this alot when I am getting my bags from the carousel, when i am waiting for my pickup or on the phone. It amazes me the number of people who bring all their luggage and gate check them as well.

OK, to set the record straight, I am not one of those people who jump the queue, I like orderly boarding, but as we saw in those Mythbuster videos the present way of boarding a plane is the most inefficient way of boarding a plane. I only board at the end of the boarding process no matter where I sit. I place my carry-on under my legs so that I can make use of all that space between me and the seat in front of me. I also try to get an upgrade or pay for the pleasure of being mistreated in First Class. I have never found that I am without space in the overhead bin for my carry on either because if there is anybody's luggage above my row that is not sitting in my row I have the F/A's come and help me out so that I don't have to walk to the back of the plane to find a space for my carry-on thus further delaying the flight. If people would just bring what they are allowed and not all their bags we would be happy and the flight could depart on time. But as I am writing this on the plane today, I realize that I am preaching to the choir in that most people on these forums know how to travel. It is the holiday travelers that drive me drink that think that a personal item and carry on are synonymous with a full size suitcase and my goodness these purses now that are the size of suitcases that take up all the room in the overhead bin and then have another bag just for her personal items. Those are the people we need to look out for.

Thank you for all your comments as they were very interesting.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
From what I can decipher from the above comments from all of you, that you would prefer to bring your luggage and everything on board and not check any luggage.



I suspect there are others with my mind set, I simply don't want to wait some 20--30 minutes for my checked luggage. At the end of a trip I want to be home and that 20-30 minutes I wait I can be home, or at my hotel if in the outbound city. I know how to pack for a week away in a roll-a-board even if I have my winter coat in that roll-a-board, oh and my wife is the same way so it can be accomplished.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 23):
I suspect there are others with my mind set, I simply don't want to wait some 20--30 minutes for my checked luggage. At the end of a trip I want to be home and that 20-30 minutes I wait I can be home, or at my hotel if in the outbound city. I know how to pack for a week away in a roll-a-board even if I have my winter coat in that roll-a-board, oh and my wife is the same way so it can be accomplished.

I get that. I don't really have a winter coat any more. I can pack for a week in a garment bag that I am allowed to bring on the plane when I travel to LHR or to my parents. Otherwise I don't really need to pack anything but my laptop in my carry-on.



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25 TheCommodore : They eventually found a space in a bin half way up the plane, in fact, I had only a general indication of exactly which bin it was in, as I couldn't
26 cjg225 : Inherent in your response is this assumption that his bags are too big, unless I'm missing something.
27 TheCommodore : Who are you referring too....... me ?
28 Post contains images cjg225 : Yeah. You're saying IAHFLYR could be selfish by taking up more bin space than he should. Inherent in that is the assumption that IAHFLYR has a carry-
29 TheCommodore : Not so much that hes taking up more space than allowed, but more the fact that these days, bin space on planes seems to be scarce. Then there's no pr
30 brilondon : The opperative words in your response is "bags". Not just one bag but two or three bags. People bring a carry-on plus a personal bag plus a computer
31 jetblueguy22 : Don't you just love that? When I fly with my folks they get upgraded and I in turn often get the opportunity as well. Now I'm only 20 years old, norm
32 aerorobnz : exactly, the ' additional personal item' was historically a coat,hat not a laptop. The airlines need to gang up and state 'One piece only - no other
33 Post contains images IAHFLYR : My roll-a-board is legal size which fits nicely into every overhead bin except RJ which they gate check so I miss your point about being selfish. Or
34 neutrino : Like fools, there's a jerk born every minute. Not exactly the same situation, but on one occasion at a very crowded boarding room, an obnoxious non-t
35 Post contains images aloges : Oooooh, that is good. Thankfully, I haven't yet had to interact with anyone as, well, differently pleasant as that, but I hope that I'll find words l
36 tan1mill : I never use overhead bins as my backpack fits under the seat, yet always try to board as early as possible for one simple reasons - I always get windo
37 Post contains images Bongodog1964 : We usually travel as a family of three, none of us overweight, smelly or with any other anti social issues. Paying the fee allows us to board whilst t
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