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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 975 posts, RR: 10
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6593 times:

Sorry folks, this one is going to be a rant:


Flying from YVR to YYZ a few days ago, sitting only a few rows from the back in an inside aisle seat on an AC 767. We have just reached cruise and the FAs are rolling the carts from the rear galley to the front of the economy section. I drank too much before boarding the plane, and thought this would be the right time to use the lav, and return to my seat before the FAs reach the back of the plane for food and drink service.

When I walked aft, I realized the particular 767-300 had only two aft lavatories, instead of four, and instead had two in the overwing area. Anyway, the left lav was occupied, so I walked through the aft galley around to the right side lav, and sure enough, it was occupied too. I stepped back into the galley to be in a position to also see the lav on the left side. Just then, a lady walked back, and now she was standing outside the left aft lav. Fine. I'm first and only one in line for the right side.

The loud vacuum toilet inside flushed... done? Great, I need to pee - now!

No such luck.

Five minutes later the toilet flushed again.

There are now three people lined up for the left side aft lav, and the food and beverage carts are now blocking access to the mid-cabin lavs.

Five more minutes... the floor by the aft exit door might forgive me. It looks washable.  

The FAs are now serving about five rows from the back. About 25 rows served since we first lined up.

A third flush of the toilet, and this time someone is actually fumbling with the latch on the door to unlock it. A 30ish year old guy opens the folding door, looks me in the eye with a smug expression and walks away.

Here's where it becomes politically incorrect:

The lav was a mess. The sink was full to the top with soapy water, about a dozen soaked paper towels were scattered across the stainless counter, and there was soaked, shredded toilet paper all over the floor of the lav. But it gets worse: I lifted the toilet seat and lid, and there is still a huge turd, and shit streaks all over the toilet bowl, and used toilet paper stuck to the shit. I flushed the toilet and nothing improved. No choice but to pee on this mess. All the while thinking, how could someone spend more than twenty minutes in here, and not take the time and effort to clean their shit up (literally).

When I finished, the FAs were just rolling the carts into the galley and I informed them the lav was a disaster (but not by me). Of course I doubt they believed me. At least I was still able to get a sandwich and drink before they had everything put away. As I walked through the galley to the left aisle, which is where I was seated, the same three passengers were still waiting for the aft left lav, including the lady at the front of the line who lined up about the same time as me!  Wow!

Has it now become a trend for some people to wait until they are flying on an airplane to take the biggest dump of their life? 25 to 30 minutes? Really? And then trash the place?  

I have IBS which brings its own set of problems - sometimes unfortunately inflight, but I can still be in and out of a lav in less than five minutes... and it will be in usable condition for the next passenger, with the sink cleaned up, and paper towels in the trash bin.

Maybe I am a fool to be living in 2013 with an attitude to be respectful of others. There just doesn't seem to be any common courtesy for other passengers anymore. "As a courtesy to the next passenger, please wipe out the washbasin after use" - Yeah, right. I think that one was forgotten a long time ago.




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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3326 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Good Rant, and some good points.

just because its a plane toilet makes no difference, repect for others rules at all times,or you get no respect.

Imagine my shame if I did not leave the place as I would wish to find it and there was someone waiting outside the door.  Wow!

I also have IBS but have found the flying,pressured cabin, helps this quite a bit.Back on the ground Watchout! 



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User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 690 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6455 times:
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Skydrol that did sound like a gross mess. In all my flying I've not encountered quite that extreme, but it does serve your rant to question why someone would demonstrate such disregard for others.....much less their own self esteem and respect.....to leave an area used by others in such a condition. Think about the crew members. Lavatories are technically their work areas and having to deal with that on a repeated basis would test the fortitude of all of us!
My pet peeve. Men's restrooms and in particular at airports. Why is the floor ALWAYS wet (assuming it is urine) at the urinals? I realize they may spray when flushed, and peeve #2 is why men don't flush....but I personally find it disgusting to see liquid on the floor at a urinal/toilet I have to step in. Do you pee on the floor in your home bathroom? Big or small, you should be able to AIM IT to the white porcelain bowl without difficulty. I was raised with a father and brother, and we boys were well informed HOW TO DO IT and not subject the Mother to "man issues" when using the bathroom.
Now get this. On a DL flight last Thursday, I observed a woman entering the lav wearing an IPod shuffle with ear buds, holding a cup of Coke and a bag of potato chips. I thought it kind of OK to listen to music while you do whatever.....but to carry your food and beverage into the lav with you? I remarked to my seatmate that was just not right and after his laughter died down, he remarked "have you never taken a cup of coffee into the john in the morning?"
Yes, but not in front of 150 other people........
BTW. She exited the lav carrying the cup of Coke. She must have consumed the chips while seated.



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User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 2):
My pet peeve. Men's restrooms and in particular at airports. Why is the floor ALWAYS wet (assuming it is urine) at the urinals? I realize they may spray when flushed, and peeve #2 is why men don't flush....but I personally find it disgusting to see liquid on the floor at a urinal/toilet I have to step in.

I have a theory about this. It seems to be much more common now than years ago. Perhaps the obesity epidemic is to blame?

If you can't see it, it is difficult to aim. I imagine some guys haven't seen it in many years.

Airplane lavs are somewhat different. There is turbulence, but there are also paper towels that can be used to clean up if you are small enough to bend over.

What I'd really like to see is a urinal that can be electrically moved into position form some place in the wall. Leaving it out would be an issue for someone seated, but if one could be deployed and stowed at the touch of a button it might be a lot easier for men to use. There haven't been many improvements to airplane lavs for years, so maybe someone can get busy on this one.


User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 975 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 1):
Imagine my shame if I did not leave the place as I would wish to find it and there was someone waiting outside the door.

This is exactly what I was thinking. But I got in and out of there fast enough, I was lucky nobody else got there before I exited. Most people had just been served food and drinks, and those lined up on the left side may not have considered walking around to the right side through the galley.

But there are obviously very shameless people. The guy who was in there didn't apologize for the mess he made or how long he was there, or simply state the toilet was in need of a plunger... just a smirk when walking out. Never did see where he was sitting. Maybe he walked all the way back from J class just to make those of us in Y have an even more miserable flight?

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 2):
Now get this. On a DL flight last Thursday, I observed a woman entering the lav wearing an IPod shuffle with ear buds, holding a cup of Coke and a bag of potato chips.

Unbelievable! Was she planning to spend the duration of the flight in her own private seating area?

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 2):
Yes, but not in front of 150 other people........

Nobody seems to give a damn anymore... the number of times I've seen passengers enter the lav with a newspaper or magazine with others already waiting in line behind them is proof of this. ''I am sitting down for my leisurely read of Sports Illustrated, The Financial Times or solving a crossword puzzle, and to hell with everyone else!'' Seriously, can you not read or puzzle-solve at your assigned seat instead of on the toilet while six people are standing in line?

When people have posted about the ''golden age of air travel'' vs. today, aside from service amenities, passenger attire and ticket cost, something that is often forgotten is attitude differences.



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6379 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 4):
When people have posted about the ''golden age of air travel'' vs. today, aside from service amenities, passenger attire and ticket cost, something that is often forgotten is attitude differences.

No, I think we pretty well covered that in that thread  

At least your toilet buddy didn't see fit to leave this for you literally every single day. I think that person thought he was doing the rest of us a favor.



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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 629 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Thread starter):

A most justified rant. "Courtesy"? HA-HA-HA

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 2):
My pet peeve. Men's restrooms and in particular at airports. Why is the floor ALWAYS wet (assuming it is urine) at the urinals?

Poor aim, excessive spray, and not frequent enough janitorial service!  


But that reminds me of how often aircraft lavatories have wet floors, too. I sincerely hope and pray it comes from the tiny sink design and is water, not urine.

I'll admit, I like to wash up properly when I'm in the lav -- hands, face, a good scrub -- and that's not easy with the small basin and taps that may have a timed run of two seconds or less. Water does get on the floor.

But when I'm done, I wipe up any water on the floor and counter with paper towels and put them in the bin. And if I'd made some kind of horror mess in the toilet, I'd try to clean it up!


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6159 times:

Some people just don't have any respect to not only their fellow passengers, but also the cleaning crews that clean the planes in between flights. Years back when I worked at AirTran, I cleaned my fair share of a/c as at one point they had transferred the cleaning duties to the gate crews and I was the crew member on my gate pair that did it the most (Better than running transfer bags.....). People at times would leave the lavs in such horrible shape that I would spend most of my time cleaning the lav instead of the cabin (don't even get me started on how people trash the cabins) and would be trying to finish up as passengers were getting on the a/c.

It's bad enough when the person before you stinks the lav up; when they leave a mess, that's an issue. I always make sure that the sink is empty and try to avoid splashing water onto the floor or counter when washing my hands. I don't want to leave a mess, as it takes one person leaving a mess for it to snowball.


User currently offlineAA757MIA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 6):
But that reminds me of how often aircraft lavatories have wet floors, too.

And you see people going in just wearing socks... ewww!
I always put my shoes back on when using the lavatory.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3034 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 2):
My pet peeve. Men's restrooms and in particular at airports. Why is the floor ALWAYS wet (assuming it is urine) at the urinals?

I've noticed that a lot of urinals seem to be designed with a particular geometry such that whatever a man's "angle of attack" with his stream, he is going to get significant splashback. These urinals are designed by a very stupid man or a very cunning woman.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 4):
Nobody seems to give a damn anymore... the number of times I've seen passengers enter the lav with a newspaper or magazine with others already waiting in line behind them is proof of this. ''I am sitting down for my leisurely read of Sports Illustrated, The Financial Times or solving a crossword puzzle, and to hell with everyone else!'' Seriously, can you not read or puzzle-solve at your assigned seat instead of on the toilet while six people are standing in line?

Not an attitude confined to airplanes. Have you had pedestrians, particularly schoolkids, use a crosswalk in front of your car for the past 10 years or so? They seem to make a point of walking eeeevvvvveeeeerrrrr soooo slowly across the road and enjoy the "power" they have over the traffic to hold them in place. I think they even slow down as they go. It had always been common courtesy IN ADDITION to being a common sense safety practice to cross and get off the road as quickly as possible. So the lavatory issue is of no surprise in a "Screw you, this is about ME" society.

Quoting AA757MIA (Reply 8):
I always put my shoes back on when using the lavatory.

I have some thoughts of removing shoes on an airplane with direct relevence to the title of this thread, but I'll hold onto them.



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User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5714 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Thread starter):
Has it now become a trend for some people to wait until they are flying?

Absolutely & it doesn't end there. I also frequently see people taking toiletry bags into the lav & then spending a good 10-15 minutes in there, maybe they're getting ready for the night like they do at home ? Am i alone in thinking this always seems to take place the moment the seatbelt lights come off or right after the crew has announced the descent will be starting shortly ? I think it's always quite funny so many people suddenly have to go at that particular time.

It's not just in the lavs either. Ever looked around when you're getting off the plane ? The place is a real mess and always leaves me thinking that being stuck on an airplane for an X number of hours does the strangest things to people. Almost has me feeling the odd one out for picking up after myself & leaving the blanket & cushion in a decent way.



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User currently offlinemoby147 From UK - England, joined Mar 2013, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

Hi Skydrol,

I am very much in your camp when it comes to the lack or respect shown by other travellers  

However I did have a little chuckle as your story reminded me of the "wee jobby" routine by Billy Conlley  

Regards

Moby147


User currently offlineandz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8456 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5550 times:
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Quoting Skydrol (Thread starter):

That's pretty awful but I had to giggle too, "drol" is the slang word for a turd here, so very appropriate!



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User currently offlinegerritcar747 From South Africa, joined Mar 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5516 times:
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Quoting andz (Reply 12):
That's pretty awful but I had to giggle too, "drol" is the slang word for a turd here, so very appropriate!

Haha, I was thinking the same thing, quite appropriate!


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2897 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

Quoting AA757MIA (Reply 8):
And you see people going in just wearing socks... ewww!
I always put my shoes back on when using the lavatory.

Yeah, and not only that, they then go back to there seats and put their dirty filthy feet all over the backs of other passengers seats and in between them on the arm rests... YUK !

They need to have urinals installed in the toilets as well. This would go along way in keeping things "tidy" and from people pissing all over the floor and the toilet seat.



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User currently offlinedeepunderground From Indonesia, joined Dec 2012, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5434 times:

To be fair, if you're around 6' or taller, it's tough to get close to the toilet on a narrow body without contorting yourself due to low head room.

Oh, and if you really want to see 'interesting' stuff, try using the bathroom in economy on a SE asia flight...


User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2185 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Being crew, I see tons of stuff that just chip away at my faith in humanity on an almost daily basis.

I recently had a passenger of Middle Eastern origin accuse me of being racist because I apparently only ever checked the toilet after he'd been in there. It probably had something to do with the horrendous mess he left it in the first time and I had to clear up after him. He was in there for almost half an hour, when he came out, there was water EVERYWHERE. All down the walls, puddles on the floor. Hair was clogging the sink and was all around the lip of the toilet and all over the other surfaces, not to mention most of the paper towels had been used.

I've had to clear menstrual blood off the floor of the lav, and there was alot of it. How can you not notice that it's everywhere?!

Turds left on the toilet seat by kids who have been in there, even when supervised by their parents.

The usual people that don't flush. If I catch them leaving the toilet and they haven't flushed, I make a point of asking them to go back and do it.

Despite all of the above, I've caught couples in the act in the lavs on two occasions.

Then there's the parents that don't feel the need to go to the toilet to change their babies nappies/daipers. A tray table is perfectly sufficient for this purpose in the minds of these people. They then stuff the soiled item into the seat pocket or hand it to us when we're serving food. This infuriates me more than any of the others. We mention very clearly there are baby changing facilities. Passengers seated near you don't want to see your "little treasures" naked genitalia covered in excrement , nor do they want to smell it.

Sorry to be so graphic but it is completely unjustifiable. I've even taken to thanking parents that actually ask for baby changing and/or use the toilets.

And finally, there are the people that don't even know how to open a toilet door in the first place. Almost without fail, on every single flight, someone will look at the door with utter confusion and try all sorts of weird and wonderful ways to get it open, until they realise it has a handle that you twist and pull, like hundreds of other doors they've ever used. Failing that, they'll look for alternative doors that could be the lav. They'll even look up at the cieling, on the floor, try and get into the flight deck or even open an exterior door (despite the fact it had a window clearly showing clouds passing by thousands of feet below).

Rant over...



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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1675 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5091 times:
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Last week I was on a KLM MD-11 from SFO to AMS and I was sitting in a center aisle seat right across from the mid-cabin lav. All night long it seemed that people were lined up to use the lav, and when I finally got a chance to go in there, it was a total mess. The entire floor was wet. And believe it or not, I watched a young lady completely barefooted, not even socks, go in there. How could she possibly walk barefooted in that stuff? Some people are hard to figure out.

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User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5069 times:

Quoting L1011 (Reply 17):
The entire floor was wet. And believe it or not, I watched a young lady completely barefooted, not even socks

In that particular circumstance, it would be better to be without socks as the filth on the foot should be partially wiped by the carpet whereas the socks will be soggy for the rest of the flight. Still the best will of course be to put the footwear on.

Usually I will be down to my socks after the flight leveled off and my shoes will be back on shortly before landing and during the rare washroom visit.



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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

I remember i felt so bad. After boarding, I went to the toilet urgently. I spilled everywhere and didn't clean up the toilet floor. Then a female flight attendant went inside, I said to myself "oh f word" and felt so embrassed. After she cleaned up the toilet and then came out, I checked on her and didn't see that she was angry or upset. She looked normal. She was the one to look after me. Wow... she had done very good job to help me. I thanked her for everything.


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User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

Quoting deepunderground (Reply 15):
Oh, and if you really want to see 'interesting' stuff, try using the bathroom in economy on a SE asia flight...

Ah, footprints on the toilet seat again!

Remember back in the days of the 727-200 where rows 24,25 & 26 were right next to the aft lav? All it took was one flight in one of those rows with a person like the OP described exiting the bathroom to vow never to take those rows again! The odor that wafted out of the can was enough to turn your stomach.

Some people are slobs and others just don't care.

But there are also the people with mental problems. Once years ago I was on a DL L-1011 DFW-LAX and I went to the center aft bathroom, opened the door and found the bathroom was covered in crap. I mean someone wiped it all over the walls, the ceiling, the mirror just everywhere. The odor almost knocked me over. I told an F/A about it. She came back and took a quick look and then locked the bathroom up. Later on there was a "Out Of Order" sign on the door. Who in the world would be responsible for cleaning a mess like that up? I remember thinking later that I wish I knew who did that. I'd kick them in the ass so hard my boot would come out of their mouth!


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3665 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):

Urinals in the lavs???

Have you never stepped foot in a non-airborne public restroom before??? (rhetorical question...)

God it's like stepping in a puddle of urine sometimes YIKES!!!



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2897 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 21):
Urinals in the lavs???

Have you never stepped foot in a non-airborne public restroom before??? (rhetorical question...)

God it's like stepping in a puddle of urine sometimes YIKES!!!

Yeah I understand what you mean, however, I was referring to the ones (urinals) that are individual and placed at waist height on the wall, not the long stainless steel ones (that you find in most airports, shopping arcades etc) that you piss into from a great height !!



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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 975 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 20):
Once years ago I was on a DL L-1011 DFW-LAX and I went to the center aft bathroom, opened the door and found the bathroom was covered in crap. I mean someone wiped it all over the walls, the ceiling, the mirror just everywhere.


And the main concern is water residue in the wash basin?

Maybe the above message needs to be amended: ''As a courtesy to the next passenger, please do not shit on the walls and ceiling. The next passenger to use the lavatory will appreciate that. Thank you.''

Quoting type-rated (Reply 20):
Later on there was a "Out Of Order" sign on the door. Who in the world would be responsible for cleaning a mess like that up? I remember thinking later that I wish I knew who did that. I'd kick them in the ass so hard my boot would come out of their mouth!

Sorry you had such a 'shitty' flight on the otherwise awesome L-1011.




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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 6):
Poor aim, excessive spray, and not frequent enough janitorial service!

Don't be too hard on those guys, they obviously suffer from Short Penis Syndrome!

Janitorial service is another issue...


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