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The Most Unchanged Liveries.  
User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 358 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16206 times:

Hello aviation friends !

Which airline has got a livery which is in use for very long period of time without undergoing many major significant changes? We see lot of little changes and twicks been done on some carriers but I am talking about something very obvious changes. I am also curious to know do EK or LH have got any plans to come up with some livery changes in near future? both liveries looks like in use for very long time...I just picked them as they are one of the popular carriers which gets discussed so many times (if I am not wrong) !

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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15925 times:
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American had been very consistent until they came up with that ridiculous livery..

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15866 times:

Korean Air's current livery has been around since 1984.

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15814 times:

"Most unchanged" liveries...no double negatives  

Until now, AA had to have been very high on the list. None of the other North American carriers would make it. LH also has been standard for quite a while. I think the current livery, for the most part, appeared in the late 1960s.


User currently offlineUA735WL From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15771 times:

SQ comes to mind. They've had the same basic livery (with only minor changes) since their inception (as Singapore airlines)



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User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15744 times:

Oh dear, once again of these "depends on definition" subjects.

So, what does "least unchanged" mean? Lufthansa, for example, never really changed its livery at all. The crane logo and yellow-blue colors date back from the 1920s (then again, one could argue that LH was only founded in 1953...). The only thing that varied was the cheatline.

What about KLM? Did they ever have a complete livery change? I guess the logo is still the original one, as well as the light blue overall color. Or Alitalia (yeah I know, technically they were newly founded not too long ago...)?



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15727 times:

Quoting TheAviator380 (Thread starter):
I am also curious to know do EK or LH have got any plans to come up with some livery changes in near future? both liveries looks like in use for very long time...

They both have simple, timeless, easy to maintain and highly recognisable liveries.

Why should either of them spend money to fix what isn't broken?



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15661 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 6):
So, what does "least unchanged" mean? Lufthansa, for example, never really changed its livery at all. The crane logo and yellow-blue colors date back from the 1920s (then again, one could argue that LH was only founded in 1953...). The only thing that varied was the cheatline.

And the typeface used to spell "Lufthansa" has changed... it wasn't Helvetica (now synonymous with LH) until the delivery of their first 727.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8091 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15623 times:

Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 3):
Least unchanged? Doesn't that mean the most changed?

Absolutely it does. This thread is either about liveries that are constantly changing, or its title is enormously confusing... or both.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15593 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 6):
Lufthansa, for example, never really changed its livery at all. The crane logo and yellow-blue colors date back from the 1920s (then again, one could argue that LH was only founded in 1953...). The only thing that varied was the cheatline.

I would disagree about LH not changing much - below the aforementioned cheatline, the entire underbelly was polished silver, now it's all white - so removing the cheatline and painting the formerly bare metal white is a pretty significant change IMO

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 6):
What about KLM? Did they ever have a complete livery change?

Yes, but it was quite a long time ago


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15579 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 6):
What about KLM? Did they ever have a complete livery change?

Yes, twice. But you need to go back quite a few years:

1950s:


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since 1970s:


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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1169 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15568 times:

Colors and logos in liveries don't matter. It's all about fonts. Old liveries, particularly those of the 50s and 60s, had way, way cooler fonts. Now those fonts are out of fashion so the liveries look like crap.

Bring back 60s fonts!



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15546 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 10):
I would disagree about LH not changing much - below the aforementioned cheatline, the entire underbelly was polished silver, now it's all white

The belly is grey.


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User currently offlineAirAfreak From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15395 times:
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The tail from AIR FRANCE to AIRFRANCE seems the least unchanged IMHO...

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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14842 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 13):
Quoting ER757 (Reply 10):
I would disagree about LH not changing much - below the aforementioned cheatline, the entire underbelly was polished silver, now it's all white

The belly is grey.

Right you are - I stand corrected. The engine cowlings are grey as well - they were silver in the previous livery


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 weeks ago) and read 14365 times:

KLM has had very little change. EK went from small titles to billboard titles, not a drastic change there. Korean has had their scheme for a long time now.

I guess one can still count CO's livery. The ONLY change is just a sticker on slapped on the airplane! 



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User currently offline9lflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 weeks ago) and read 14332 times:

In their 40 plus years of operation WN has only had two different liveries.


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 weeks ago) and read 13903 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 7):
Why should either of them spend money to fix what isn't broken?

Yep, I see no reason at all why AA had to change their livery. It was classic and timeless. Some companies spend more time trying to rebrand than they just do focusing on putting out a better product.

AS's livery has been around a long time too.


User currently offlineboacvc10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13740 times:

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 5):
SQ comes to mind. They've had the same basic livery (with only minor changes) since their inception (as Singapore airlines)

perhaps I am mistaken: is the slope of the wings of the logo (kris..) on SQ aircraft, always parallel to the vertical stabilizers leading edge? That should imply each family of aircraft has a different tail logo (matching the slope of the leading edge) and it is not a simple decal uniform across the fleet.

Wrong, right? comments welcome. It just IMHO looks so cool.



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5574 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13683 times:

Nineteen posts and nobody has mentioned Iberia?   

User currently offlineHBGDS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13202 times:

AF (I like the livery because it was Concorde's, but the alleged "revision," though fine, is a travesty.)

Perhaps I'm wrong, but what about Southwest? The variations are the one-of-a-kind liveries, but the basic fleet?


User currently offlineRJA321 From Jordan, joined Mar 2009, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13180 times:

Since becoming Royal Jordanian, it has only adjusted a few bits here and there. So I guess RJ 'qualifies'.


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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12786 times:
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Well to answer OP question as posed: I'll say United. I can think of 6 liveries since 1973. So they may be up there in "least unchanged".  


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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12724 times:

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 23):
Well to answer OP question as posed: I'll say United. I can think of 6 liveries since 1973. So they may be up there in "least unchanged".  

Shall we also include the B6 tails and new name placement on the fuselage?

Couldnt resist. SORRY   


User currently offlineFlyFree27 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11741 times:

Least Unchanged, that would be United, Delta, Air Canada has had a few just to answer the thread correctly.

25 Post contains images LH707330 : Lufthansa made a huge number of changes to their livery since 1953: they started out with the best one (IMHO) with the blue cheatline with yellow tri
26 TJCAB : Personally I hated that 70's AA look. Definately not timeless to me, more like remained in the past. Old doesn't always mean good. That's my SUBJECTI
27 SASMD82 : What about IB? Their orange-yellow-red kit seemed to go on forever. Now they have a new livery but it lasted very long.
28 Post contains images Devilfish : Before most on here were born..... .....and Kai Tak looked like this..... To a tail missing the current sunburst but with PAL title and revised logo,
29 n729pa : Some obvious ones already mentioned. How about.....(not withstanding a slight tweak of the font or a very minor change) Alitalia...not that different
30 Fly-K : Air China just changed the logo (from flag to the phoenix) and titles over the CAAC days.
31 777law : Hawaiian Air stikes me as having a pretty consistent livery over the years. Although the lay out has changed it is consistent in terms of having the H
32 autothrust : Indeed, even more so as Iberia is one of the oldest airlines in the world. Since the 80's the livery is still the same.
33 infinit : It didn't occur to be that the SQ logo is actually meant to resemble a Keris! Somehow I missed that all these years lol I would describe SQ's livery
34 Post contains images TheAviator380 : SQ and KL does look like they are the one who haven't made any significant changes ..I know for EK and LH there is no need to change as everything is
35 laolao : Is there a hidden rule? Financial stability and prosperity means enduring livery (i.e. SQ, EK, NH, LH, AA, FR, U2, WN, QF) Financial turbulences and p
36 Post contains images VC10er : From a LANDOR perspective many of Walter's original liveries have remained much the same: SQ: we did the Kris and livery and came back to make the twe
37 TheAviator380 : Very interesting point that...good one. It may be possible, can see some correlation for sure.
38 Post contains links and images flyingalex : I agree to an extent, but I have heard that the AA livery was actually fairly expensive to maintain. This is the advantage LH's and EK's simpler live
39 YYCSpotter : Although not a large airline, WS has not changed their livery at all since the introduction of their 1st 732s in around 1996. They are a younger airli
40 Post contains images MountainFlyer : How about AS? The Eskimo on the tail is largely unchanged since the early 1970s, and the current "Alaska" titles have been around now for over 20 year
41 Post contains images flyingalex : Ah, you missed the controversy when Ryanair give the angel in their logo bigger breasts then? "Ryanair, a European airline which handles 24 million p
42 Post contains links and images whales : Air Zimbabwe livery has been around for about 20 to 30 years before they started to change, some are still in the first Air Zimbabwe colours, not the
43 Post contains images factsonly : Surely...the airline that wins the cake must be 'Good Old'......British Midland Airways. Sir Michael was the world's Livery Champ. A new one every few
44 RyanairGuru : QF is one which hasn't really changed in 3 decades. Even in the 80s the change wasn't massive: the roo had its wings clipped and they removed the chea
45 Post contains links and images Jalap : One mostly unchanged since mid '70's is TAAG. They did have an experiment, but luckily they didn't push that one through: 1975: View Large View Medium
46 Post contains images TheAviator380 : Wow BMI has gone through loads of changes when it comes to decorating their aircrafts Their most recent livery before BA bought them looked so fantas
47 n729pa : Yes but.... A number of those featured were never "official", they were temporary liveries for leased in planes or adaption following a take over. Th
48 Post contains links and images KL5147 : In think 3 times, View Large View MediumPhoto © R.A.Scholefieldfrom 1957 onwards and this scheme was the inspiration for the the retro scheme on PH-
49 LH707330 : In the case of D-AIRY, that was the plane built on the show. I watched it as a kid and was annoyed when the mouse would "disrupt" the fun stuff.
50 boeingrulz : TAAG. Even the slight redesign of 2006 was not delivered to the airline.
51 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Until ET's current livery was introduced in 2003 they had made very few changes since the 1950s, except for deleting the "EAL" from the tail at some p
52 Post contains images aloges : Has Royal Air Maroc really not been mentioned yet? Anyway, here goes: almost exactly the same since at least 1962
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