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User currently offlineDeltaXNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 202 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

My opinion:


Best runway configurations? DFW (very well organized)

Best Terminal Layout? ATL (crowded, but easy)


Worst Runway Configuration? ORD (runways everywhere, no organization! How that airport operates I'll never know)

Worst Terminal Layout? LHR (I think there terminal layout is confusing)

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User currently offlinepierrelav From Brazil, joined Mar 2011, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7968 times:

Try MIA if you like long walks....

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7959 times:

Worst is sometimes also best.

CDG takes the prize for worst layout for connecting passengers, but if you are starting or ending your journey in Paris then it's brilliant.


Dan  



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6218 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7948 times:
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Best terminal layout: IAH
Worst terminal layout: MEX T1, should be demolished entirely and built from cratch.

Best rway config: IAH
Worst rway config: NRT. Can´t figure out why they chose that site knowing the conflict with the farmers would make it impossible to build a crosswind rway. Makes for great YouTube videos though.


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7876 times:

TPA has a great layout. The first with the landside/airside concept. Another thread highlights upcoming improvements.


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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

Best terminal layout: Tie between ATL and DEN. The idea of parallel concourses is the ideal design for a major connecting hub.

Worst terminal layout: ORD, too scattered and confusing.



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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7773 times:

Worst terminal layout for me is MNL.
1. Four terminals and no reliable way to get between them.
2. No quick public transit to/from the airport
3. In general, just a disaster!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7710 times:

Even after many years and going through many major airports, I still think AMS is the best of the major hubs. Very easy to navigate and almost impossible to get lost. Very clear signage. Distances can be quite long between the most extreme ends of the terminal but there are plenty of moving sidewalks, and having everything in one building is a big advantage over hubs with multiple terminals (or satellite terminals such as T5 at LHR).

In Europe I would rank MUC best after AMS. ZRH is also good.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

Best:

I am partial to DEN as far as terminal goes which would also include the nearly identical ATL. I was though a fan of FLL since you could show up 10 mins before your flight departs and still get on.

As for runways, the concept DEN uses, ie. ability to run simul-ILS', many BIG runways, etc is probably my favorite 'concept' unfortunately it is NOT utilized the way it should be WHATSOEVER and with that much land compared to the proclivity of the area to experience wind shear 'could' be the best out there.

Worst:

Terminal layout (those I have been to) HAS to be MIA. Perhaps this is just a number of BAD experiences there but the whole chaotic mess that is that airport is ABSURD. MEX seemed like we walked miles to get from one place to another but that could have been not knowing the airport.

Runways, definitely ORD up there. Every which direction is great when it is windy but thats it.

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User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7650 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
ZRH is also good

I dislike the long aerotrain trip to and from the D and E gates. Why are they so far away?



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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7536 times:
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Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
CDG takes the prize for worst layout for connecting passengers

True, but ADP and AF are working hard to realise the departure of most of the AF flights from terminal 2E/2F. And that connection is not as good as - let's say - AMS but not as bad as in the old days when all flights left from 5 different terminals.

In Europe, the runway layout of OSL and CPH is certainly good. AMS is good except 18R36L. Terminal lay out of OSL and CPH is good, ARN however is bad.


User currently onlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2078 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7526 times:

Worst runway config to me is SFO. Great in good weather with landing and take off every minute. In bad weather, FOG, cut in half with 2-3 hr delays up and down the Coast. New Technology should help in the next couple of years.


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7519 times:

Quoting copter808 (Reply 6):
2. No quick public transit to/from the airport

There are public buses serving three of the four terminals (the exception is Terminal 4). That's not just the airport's fault if most tourists don't know that, if you ask me.

While I also don't like the layout of MNL, it is absurd to believe that there's no "quick" public transit to/from the airport.


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7520 times:

Anyway, here's my best (and worst) airport layouts.  (I'm a bit partial to smaller airports, but allow me to review large airports too.)

Best

WAW - The layout allows for smooth traffic flow both for departing and arriving passengers, and despite being a smaller airport, it is very well-organized

MAD - Very easy to transfer between terminals, although I'm surprised at the distance between Terminals 1/2/3 and Terminal 4. Other than that, I like the airiness of the terminals and how there's sufficient room for people to maneuver around.

PIT - Everything is conveniently located, especially with the Airmall concept. Processing is fast and easy, and despite the closures the organization of the terminal is well-done.

RIX - Like a smaller WAW: everything is well-organized and traffic flows are organized to move as smoothly as possible.

SIN - Big, comfortable and efficient.

AMS - Even with the long distances, the terminal is efficient enough to navigate, and there are ample ways to move around quickly.

Worst

PEK - While transiting between the three terminals is easy enough, the layout is inefficient in particular for processing international transfers who have stops in another Chinese city. Normally, what happens is that you're put in a gate which is cut off from all other gates. Not a good thing if you ask me.

CDG - Distances are too long for efficient transfer (for me, in some cases even longer than AMS), particularly when doing an inter-terminal transfer. Always have lots of time before transfering through here.

LAX - Very inefficient layout which is good for O/D, but not for connections.

MNL - Same complaint with LAX. I will admit however that locals will have it easier than foreigners to transfer between terminals, but it is not as bad as people make it out to be. Still think it needs improvement, though.

TPE - Very inefficient processing at immigration, and the way gates are structured does not make it conducive for return trips to buy food or use the bathroom, for example.


User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

I believe LIS is a very bad layout. True, compared to transiting with LHR, which hosts multiple amount of flights, it's still better, but for their size LIS is really bad. It's basically a long and very narrow terminal, with the transit counter and lounge in the middle. Although the amount of gates is rather small, the walk is always extremely long, and due to the narrowness there are no travellators.

Finally, the whole airport is very outdated, signage poor, and waiting/food areas very difficult to find.


User currently offlineAA757MIA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7494 times:

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 1):
Try MIA if you like long walks....

I thought MIA was bad, until I went to FRA, and I now connect there all the time.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3151 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7472 times:
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My personal best layout for connecting is CLT. Not just thatt it's organized, but they have people-movers EVERYWHERE that make it soooo much easier to go between flights.


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User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 13):

MAD - Very easy to transfer between terminals, although I'm surprised at the distance between Terminals 1/2/3 and Terminal 4. Other than that, I like the airiness of the terminals and how there's sufficient room for people to maneuver around.

I believe that this may be true for Terminal 4 (especially if you transfer within Schengen or from non-schengen to non schengen, so that you don't need to take the "Metro"). However taking the metro starts to make transferring quite long. And for the other Terminals, it's a pain. Transferring between T4 and everything else is chaotic and long. And for T1/2/3 I find them very looong, old, dark and dingy. And if you have to move down all the way to the non Schengen area (which is T1 I believe) it's quite a trek.


User currently offlinejetblue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7453 times:

Best Airport Layout

DTW
Definitely on of the easiest to navigate out there, very organized, straight-forward and easy to transfer.

ATL
Very organized despite being the busiest airport in the world, easy to transfer.

SIN
Not your typical airport layout but I find it very calm and organized.



Worst Airport (Terminal) Layout

JFK Terminal 3
Just awful. The check-in hall is just dreadful, the departure area is dreadful, the ceilings are low, and the whole place is just damn depressing.


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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 12):
While I also don't like the layout of MNL, it is absurd to believe that there's no "quick" public transit to/from the airport.

OK, at 3AM you may be correct! The rest of the time I don't call being stuck in traffic, whether it be on a bus or taxi, to be "quick". And if you have to travel from Makati, downtown Manila, or Antipolo in a short time, forget it!! From Antipolo to T-1 or T-2 is 13 miles. It generally cannot be done in an hour unless traffic is very light. From Manila Hotel is 5.9 miles and will take from 30-60 minutes and can be walked faster in some areas.

I have flown to/from many airports, and there is NO WAY I would consider Manila to have fast or reliable transportation to or from the airport--or even between terminals!


User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 12):
That's not just the airport's fault if most tourists don't know that, if you ask me.

Whose fault do you think it is then?? One of the airport's functions is to move people from the airside to their destination. If it's not publicised, then they have not done their job! It's also in their best interest to publicize it in an attempt to cut down the number of taxis clogging the route.
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BTW, I was not aware of the bus transportation nor do I ever recall seeing one near T-1 or T-2.

Don't think I'm trashing Manila, it has kind of become my third home, Thailand being my second home.


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Quoting copter808 (Reply 20):
Whose fault do you think it is then?? One of the airport's functions is to move people from the airside to their destination. If it's not publicised, then they have not done their job! It's also in their best interest to publicize it in an attempt to cut down the number of taxis clogging the route.
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BTW, I was not aware of the bus transportation nor do I ever recall seeing one near T-1 or T-2.

Don't think I'm trashing Manila, it has kind of become my third home, Thailand being my second home.

Not thinking of that at all.   (I will say though that I particularly hate people giving MNL the "worst airport in the world" tag because they listen to a site such as the Guide to Sleeping in Airports, which the media here then blows up out of proportion, without any consideration as to there being airports which are simply worse than MNL.)

There is a bus stop just outside the terminals concerned where city buses (and jeepneys) drop off passengers. For Terminal 2, this is beside the entry ramp towards departures, while at Terminal 1, this is beside the parking lot, a little bit outside the visitor center for arrivals. The MIAA's website gives this information.

http://125.60.203.88/miaa/index.php?...tegory&layout=blog&id=13&Itemid=14

For Terminal 3, there is a bus to Fort Bonifacio and Eastwood City (in Quezon City) which departs from Resorts World Manila, just across the street.

Whose job is it then, you ask, if it's not just government who should be publicizing this? For one, travel guides don't give this type of information: more often than not, they say that the only way into or out of MNL is by taxi. Some locals don't help either, as they'd say the same thing. Government shouldn't be the only one to blame here, as far as I'm concerned.


User currently offlineBC77008 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

For a smaller US airport, I find CLT to be very easy to navigate so its on my list. For a major airport I find DTW to be as good as they come! I absolutely hate LGA. I think it was designed by someone on crack.


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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7324 times:

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 22):
I think it was designed by someone on crack.

They didn't have crack back in the 30s, and Charlotte had only one horse. For obvious reasons, smaller airports are usually easier to navigate.  



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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4461 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7319 times:
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Quoting Akiestar (Reply 13):
CDG - Distances are too long for efficient transfer (for me, in some cases even longer than AMS), particularly when doing an inter-terminal transfer. Always have lots of time before transfering through here.

Strange as there is the automated rail link - CDG VAL - which links all the terminals and the parking lots. You can travel from terminal 1 to 2 in ten minutes. You can even take the shuttles to be delivered at each sub-terminal.... and inside, the distances are certainly shorter than, say SIN which is among your favourites.
have you been here recently ?



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25 Akiestar : I was there in May last year, which was certainly easier than the experience that I'm stating. However, for transits, the layout is not as good as I'
26 aerorobnz : AKL is right up there for worst layout terminal wise, and ramp wise. Especially considering how small it is, it's not like it has any excuse for being
27 HT : Plans had called to having replaced LIS as the primary airport for Lisbon by years now. It still gets minor fixes one after the other, as discussion
28 BD338 : personal choice: BEST: AMS: very easy to navigate and get around. Polderbaan runway lets it down a bit, that's a long taxi. DTW: simple, smooth, seemi
29 DeltaXNA : Since when is CLT a small airport? US Airways has a HUGE hub there. Probably larger than Delta at DTW in terms of flights.
30 Post contains images icanfly : It's awful. I don't understand why SYD didn't construct an airtrain between the domestic and international terminals rather than the tedious bus tran
31 Post contains links Vhqpa : SYD part agreed except that.... There has been a rail link that goes directly under the runway for years. No need for a tedious bus journey unless yo
32 Ben175 : I think PER takes the cake for the worst airport to transfer in Australia, it was only a few years ago that they started a dedicated bus transfer!
33 Icarus75 : FRA is the same!!! MUC is the same!!!! ORD is the same!!! LAX is the same!!
34 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Hopefully when the transfer of GA to Sangley Point is done...and the new Master Plan for NAIA is implemented and completed...a monorail system (like
35 Beardown91737 : Best Terminal Layout: MDW - brilliant how everything was made to fit with so little space available ATW everything is close by ORD - keeps distances s
36 CairnterriAIR : Best.... *BDL. The new terminals are great. Well designed, easy security, and great performance in bad weather. (Stays open when most other stations c
37 Akiestar : FRA and MUC make up for it by having options to stop at, such as stores. CDG landside does not have that if you're going between terminals, as far as
38 Post contains links Devilfish : That will likely traverse the existing tracks that go down to the LRT rollingstock maintenance depot and yard...just across the same compound on Airp
39 jrfspa320 : Agreed that Australian airports are bad, perth has to be the worst, mornings are domestic terminals are hectic with aircraft parked other side of the
40 Post contains images rwy04lga : Now, now. Neither BC77008 nor I said CLT was small, just smaller. Keep eating your Wheaties, CLT.
41 RyanairGuru : I'm in inclined to agree with Icanfly, the train option at SYD almost isn't an option at all. As you say it costs $5 to go from T1 to T2/3, and it is
42 n729pa : It's subjective, depending on what you are doing. You mention LHR as one of the worst, yes it's my home airport and I know it like the back of my hand
43 aklrno : LHR T-1 will be demolished as soon as the new T-2 is finished next year. It will nice to see the demo start at LHR T-1 and the old TBIT concourses at
44 copter808 : I go through ORD often and other than some new runways and terminal refurbishment, not much has changed. I've heard about the LRT extention. Hopefull
45 dtwlax : Best terminal at DTW. DTW does not have a bad runway layout either. I see a lot of complaining about the terminals at LAX but LAX does have a very goo
46 Post contains images N243NW : I guess the roadways and parking garages outside are pretty bass-ackwards, but once you're airside at DFW it's actually quite pleasantly laid out. As
47 sw733 : All right, I'll throw it out there from an O&D standpoint - MCI. You can get between the gate and the curb in seconds, and taxi time is rarely mor
48 Viscount724 : But the MCI terminal design is what prompted TWA to establish their major hub at STL instead of MCI. MCI works well for O&D traffic but not as a
49 Post contains images dc9northwest : ICN, DTW, AMS, ATL are good designs, terminal-wise. JFK, LAX, LGA, LHR, CDG: disasters terminal-wise. Runway-wise: NRT: disaster runway-wise (and taxi
50 PHX787 : Best Layouts- Runways DEN PHX SEA IAH Best layout-terminals PHX DEN MSP (if you don't mind a bit of a walk) Worst layouts: Runways ORD easily....it's
51 Post contains images sw733 : Well then I should have prompted it with "from an O&D standpoint..." Oh wait, I did
52 usctrojan18 : SFO runways have a pretty bad layout. Just 1 take off clearance that wasn't supposed to be could cause a huge catastrophe. They could fix this problem
53 Post contains images readytotaxi : Surely Heathrow must be one of the worst terminal layouts. I do feel for visitors to the UK who have to change here.
54 a3xx900 : Best Terminal Layout: AMS!! Then after a long pause of nothing comes MUC. Worst: LHR, LAX, CDG. Not taking all the small airports into account, that o
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