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Best/Worst Airport Layout  
User currently onlineDeltaXNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 188 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

My opinion:


Best runway configurations? DFW (very well organized)

Best Terminal Layout? ATL (crowded, but easy)


Worst Runway Configuration? ORD (runways everywhere, no organization! How that airport operates I'll never know)

Worst Terminal Layout? LHR (I think there terminal layout is confusing)

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User currently offlinepierrelav From Brazil, joined Mar 2011, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

Try MIA if you like long walks....

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11638 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7905 times:

Worst is sometimes also best.

CDG takes the prize for worst layout for connecting passengers, but if you are starting or ending your journey in Paris then it's brilliant.


Dan  



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6175 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7894 times:
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Best terminal layout: IAH
Worst terminal layout: MEX T1, should be demolished entirely and built from cratch.

Best rway config: IAH
Worst rway config: NRT. Can´t figure out why they chose that site knowing the conflict with the farmers would make it impossible to build a crosswind rway. Makes for great YouTube videos though.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7822 times:

TPA has a great layout. The first with the landside/airside concept. Another thread highlights upcoming improvements.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

Best terminal layout: Tie between ATL and DEN. The idea of parallel concourses is the ideal design for a major connecting hub.

Worst terminal layout: ORD, too scattered and confusing.



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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7719 times:

Worst terminal layout for me is MNL.
1. Four terminals and no reliable way to get between them.
2. No quick public transit to/from the airport
3. In general, just a disaster!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25106 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

Even after many years and going through many major airports, I still think AMS is the best of the major hubs. Very easy to navigate and almost impossible to get lost. Very clear signage. Distances can be quite long between the most extreme ends of the terminal but there are plenty of moving sidewalks, and having everything in one building is a big advantage over hubs with multiple terminals (or satellite terminals such as T5 at LHR).

In Europe I would rank MUC best after AMS. ZRH is also good.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 540 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

Best:

I am partial to DEN as far as terminal goes which would also include the nearly identical ATL. I was though a fan of FLL since you could show up 10 mins before your flight departs and still get on.

As for runways, the concept DEN uses, ie. ability to run simul-ILS', many BIG runways, etc is probably my favorite 'concept' unfortunately it is NOT utilized the way it should be WHATSOEVER and with that much land compared to the proclivity of the area to experience wind shear 'could' be the best out there.

Worst:

Terminal layout (those I have been to) HAS to be MIA. Perhaps this is just a number of BAD experiences there but the whole chaotic mess that is that airport is ABSURD. MEX seemed like we walked miles to get from one place to another but that could have been not knowing the airport.

Runways, definitely ORD up there. Every which direction is great when it is windy but thats it.

My $.03



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User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
ZRH is also good

I dislike the long aerotrain trip to and from the D and E gates. Why are they so far away?



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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7482 times:
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Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
CDG takes the prize for worst layout for connecting passengers

True, but ADP and AF are working hard to realise the departure of most of the AF flights from terminal 2E/2F. And that connection is not as good as - let's say - AMS but not as bad as in the old days when all flights left from 5 different terminals.

In Europe, the runway layout of OSL and CPH is certainly good. AMS is good except 18R36L. Terminal lay out of OSL and CPH is good, ARN however is bad.


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7472 times:

Worst runway config to me is SFO. Great in good weather with landing and take off every minute. In bad weather, FOG, cut in half with 2-3 hr delays up and down the Coast. New Technology should help in the next couple of years.


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7465 times:

Quoting copter808 (Reply 6):
2. No quick public transit to/from the airport

There are public buses serving three of the four terminals (the exception is Terminal 4). That's not just the airport's fault if most tourists don't know that, if you ask me.

While I also don't like the layout of MNL, it is absurd to believe that there's no "quick" public transit to/from the airport.


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

Anyway, here's my best (and worst) airport layouts.  (I'm a bit partial to smaller airports, but allow me to review large airports too.)

Best

WAW - The layout allows for smooth traffic flow both for departing and arriving passengers, and despite being a smaller airport, it is very well-organized

MAD - Very easy to transfer between terminals, although I'm surprised at the distance between Terminals 1/2/3 and Terminal 4. Other than that, I like the airiness of the terminals and how there's sufficient room for people to maneuver around.

PIT - Everything is conveniently located, especially with the Airmall concept. Processing is fast and easy, and despite the closures the organization of the terminal is well-done.

RIX - Like a smaller WAW: everything is well-organized and traffic flows are organized to move as smoothly as possible.

SIN - Big, comfortable and efficient.

AMS - Even with the long distances, the terminal is efficient enough to navigate, and there are ample ways to move around quickly.

Worst

PEK - While transiting between the three terminals is easy enough, the layout is inefficient in particular for processing international transfers who have stops in another Chinese city. Normally, what happens is that you're put in a gate which is cut off from all other gates. Not a good thing if you ask me.

CDG - Distances are too long for efficient transfer (for me, in some cases even longer than AMS), particularly when doing an inter-terminal transfer. Always have lots of time before transfering through here.

LAX - Very inefficient layout which is good for O/D, but not for connections.

MNL - Same complaint with LAX. I will admit however that locals will have it easier than foreigners to transfer between terminals, but it is not as bad as people make it out to be. Still think it needs improvement, though.

TPE - Very inefficient processing at immigration, and the way gates are structured does not make it conducive for return trips to buy food or use the bathroom, for example.


User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7450 times:

I believe LIS is a very bad layout. True, compared to transiting with LHR, which hosts multiple amount of flights, it's still better, but for their size LIS is really bad. It's basically a long and very narrow terminal, with the transit counter and lounge in the middle. Although the amount of gates is rather small, the walk is always extremely long, and due to the narrowness there are no travellators.

Finally, the whole airport is very outdated, signage poor, and waiting/food areas very difficult to find.


User currently offlineAA757MIA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 1):
Try MIA if you like long walks....

I thought MIA was bad, until I went to FRA, and I now connect there all the time.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3021 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7418 times:
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My personal best layout for connecting is CLT. Not just thatt it's organized, but they have people-movers EVERYWHERE that make it soooo much easier to go between flights.


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User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7406 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 13):

MAD - Very easy to transfer between terminals, although I'm surprised at the distance between Terminals 1/2/3 and Terminal 4. Other than that, I like the airiness of the terminals and how there's sufficient room for people to maneuver around.

I believe that this may be true for Terminal 4 (especially if you transfer within Schengen or from non-schengen to non schengen, so that you don't need to take the "Metro"). However taking the metro starts to make transferring quite long. And for the other Terminals, it's a pain. Transferring between T4 and everything else is chaotic and long. And for T1/2/3 I find them very looong, old, dark and dingy. And if you have to move down all the way to the non Schengen area (which is T1 I believe) it's quite a trek.


User currently offlinejetblue777 From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 1452 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

Best Airport Layout

DTW
Definitely on of the easiest to navigate out there, very organized, straight-forward and easy to transfer.

ATL
Very organized despite being the busiest airport in the world, easy to transfer.

SIN
Not your typical airport layout but I find it very calm and organized.



Worst Airport (Terminal) Layout

JFK Terminal 3
Just awful. The check-in hall is just dreadful, the departure area is dreadful, the ceilings are low, and the whole place is just damn depressing.


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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7298 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 12):
While I also don't like the layout of MNL, it is absurd to believe that there's no "quick" public transit to/from the airport.

OK, at 3AM you may be correct! The rest of the time I don't call being stuck in traffic, whether it be on a bus or taxi, to be "quick". And if you have to travel from Makati, downtown Manila, or Antipolo in a short time, forget it!! From Antipolo to T-1 or T-2 is 13 miles. It generally cannot be done in an hour unless traffic is very light. From Manila Hotel is 5.9 miles and will take from 30-60 minutes and can be walked faster in some areas.

I have flown to/from many airports, and there is NO WAY I would consider Manila to have fast or reliable transportation to or from the airport--or even between terminals!


User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 12):
That's not just the airport's fault if most tourists don't know that, if you ask me.

Whose fault do you think it is then?? One of the airport's functions is to move people from the airside to their destination. If it's not publicised, then they have not done their job! It's also in their best interest to publicize it in an attempt to cut down the number of taxis clogging the route.
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BTW, I was not aware of the bus transportation nor do I ever recall seeing one near T-1 or T-2.

Don't think I'm trashing Manila, it has kind of become my third home, Thailand being my second home.


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7285 times:

Quoting copter808 (Reply 20):
Whose fault do you think it is then?? One of the airport's functions is to move people from the airside to their destination. If it's not publicised, then they have not done their job! It's also in their best interest to publicize it in an attempt to cut down the number of taxis clogging the route.
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BTW, I was not aware of the bus transportation nor do I ever recall seeing one near T-1 or T-2.

Don't think I'm trashing Manila, it has kind of become my third home, Thailand being my second home.

Not thinking of that at all.   (I will say though that I particularly hate people giving MNL the "worst airport in the world" tag because they listen to a site such as the Guide to Sleeping in Airports, which the media here then blows up out of proportion, without any consideration as to there being airports which are simply worse than MNL.)

There is a bus stop just outside the terminals concerned where city buses (and jeepneys) drop off passengers. For Terminal 2, this is beside the entry ramp towards departures, while at Terminal 1, this is beside the parking lot, a little bit outside the visitor center for arrivals. The MIAA's website gives this information.

http://125.60.203.88/miaa/index.php?...tegory&layout=blog&id=13&Itemid=14

For Terminal 3, there is a bus to Fort Bonifacio and Eastwood City (in Quezon City) which departs from Resorts World Manila, just across the street.

Whose job is it then, you ask, if it's not just government who should be publicizing this? For one, travel guides don't give this type of information: more often than not, they say that the only way into or out of MNL is by taxi. Some locals don't help either, as they'd say the same thing. Government shouldn't be the only one to blame here, as far as I'm concerned.


User currently offlineBC77008 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7272 times:

For a smaller US airport, I find CLT to be very easy to navigate so its on my list. For a major airport I find DTW to be as good as they come! I absolutely hate LGA. I think it was designed by someone on crack.


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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 22):
I think it was designed by someone on crack.

They didn't have crack back in the 30s, and Charlotte had only one horse. For obvious reasons, smaller airports are usually easier to navigate.  



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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4402 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7265 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 13):
CDG - Distances are too long for efficient transfer (for me, in some cases even longer than AMS), particularly when doing an inter-terminal transfer. Always have lots of time before transfering through here.

Strange as there is the automated rail link - CDG VAL - which links all the terminals and the parking lots. You can travel from terminal 1 to 2 in ten minutes. You can even take the shuttles to be delivered at each sub-terminal.... and inside, the distances are certainly shorter than, say SIN which is among your favourites.
have you been here recently ?



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 24):
Strange as there is the automated rail link - CDG VAL - which links all the terminals and the parking lots. You can travel from terminal 1 to 2 in ten minutes. You can even take the shuttles to be delivered at each sub-terminal.... and inside, the distances are certainly shorter than, say SIN which is among your favourites.
have you been here recently ?

I was there in May last year, which was certainly easier than the experience that I'm stating. However, for transits, the layout is not as good as I'd like it to be.

I remember, when I first transited in CDG, I was coming from an AF flight (2F), transfering to an LH flight departing from Terminal 1. Sure, CDGVAL makes inter-terminal transfer easier, but the distance coming from 2F all the way to the CDGVAL station was, in my opinion, very far. Or, if it isn't as far as you say it is, there's the impression that it's far (I was walking for about 15-20 minutes from baggage claim before I even made it to the CDGVAL station).

In contrast, distances in SIN are shorter, or they have the impression of being shorter, than the distances at CDG. However, during the times that I was in SIN, I was not transiting; rather, all my flights to/from SIN are O/D.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

AKL is right up there for worst layout terminal wise, and ramp wise. Especially considering how small it is, it's not like it has any excuse for being bad, like LAX/LHR.

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

Quoting reifel (Reply 14):
I believe LIS is a very bad layout. True, compared to transiting with LHR, which hosts multiple amount of flights, it's still better, but for their size LIS is really bad. It's basically a long and very narrow terminal, with the transit counter and lounge in the middle. Although the amount of gates is rather small, the walk is always extremely long, and due to the narrowness there are no travellators.

Finally, the whole airport is very outdated, signage poor, and waiting/food areas very difficult to find.

Plans had called to having replaced LIS as the primary airport for Lisbon by years now. It still gets minor fixes one after the other, as discussion about the replacement airport's location had gone on for decades.


Quoting icanfly (Reply 9):
I dislike the long aerotrain trip to and from the D and E gates. Why are they so far away?

If you take into account that the code name for the building was / is "Dock Midfield" it might become clear that it was not supposed to be directly connected with the remainder of the terminal complex.
ZRH is heavily restricted (by politics and topography) and there simply was no other suitable place left to build this additional concourse.
And at the time it was planned and built, Swissair (SR) was relying on connecting passengers and Switzerland was not part of the Schengen area. All transfers could be handled without going through immigration.

-HT



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

personal choice:

BEST:

AMS: very easy to navigate and get around. Polderbaan runway lets it down a bit, that's a long taxi.
DTW: simple, smooth, seemingly always a calm atmosphere (McNamara terminal). A great example of how to completely rebuild an airport and go from the absolute worst to one of the best.


Worst

ATL - a lot here seem to like it but getting from one concourse to another can be a massive pain in peak hours with short connections.

CDG - absolute worst if you land on the most northerly runway have to taxi and park at a remote stand, then get a bus and then make a connection. An hour and a half can soon vanish.

LHR - just a scattered maze of buildings. At least they are rebuilding and the alliances gradually seem to be coming together in their own terminal. big questions, will VS move to T4 and when will that endless collection of corridors known as T-1 be torn down!

Almost any Australian airport making an international - domestic connection, what possessed them to design two completely different terminals often on the other side of the airfield or a couple of miles away? I can't fathom that out.


User currently onlineDeltaXNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

Since when is CLT a small airport? US Airways has a HUGE hub there. Probably larger than Delta at DTW in terms of flights.

User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 28):
Almost any Australian airport making an international - domestic connection, what possessed them to design two completely different terminals often on the other side of the airfield or a couple of miles away? I can't fathom that out.

   It's awful. I don't understand why SYD didn't construct an airtrain between the domestic and international terminals rather than the tedious bus transfer.



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User currently offlineVhqpa From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

Quoting icanfly (Reply 30):
It's awful. I don't understand why SYD didn't construct an airtrain between the domestic and international terminals rather than the tedious bus transfer.

SYD part agreed except that....


There has been a rail link that goes directly under the runway for years. No need for a tedious bus journey unless you choose to do so. Granted the rail link is in no way perfect. I did a connection between LA and DJ a few years ago (there was no interline agreement between them). To be honest was a pain in the ass hauling my bag onto a train full of suburban commuters at 0800 Monday morning and getting charged $5 to do so.

BNE is even worse with the train only running every half hour and untill recently only ran between (0600-1900) lucky BNE is my home base so there's no need for me to transfer.

The only decent Australian major airports for transits are MEL and ADL with their one building layout.



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 31):

The only decent Australian major airports for transits are MEL and ADL with their one building layout.

I think PER takes the cake for the worst airport to transfer in Australia, it was only a few years ago that they started a dedicated bus transfer!


User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6928 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 13):
CDG - Distances are too long for efficient transfer (for me, in some cases even longer than AMS), particularly when doing an inter-terminal transfer. Always have lots of time before transfering through here.

FRA is the same!!!
MUC is the same!!!!
ORD is the same!!!
LAX is the same!!



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6890 times:

Quoting copter808 (Reply 6):
Worst terminal layout for me is MNL.
1. Four terminals and no reliable way to get between them.
2. No quick public transit to/from the airport

Hopefully when the transfer of GA to Sangley Point is done...and the new Master Plan for NAIA is implemented and completed...a monorail system (like the one trialed at UP) to facilitate transfers between terminals, and connect the airport to the Taft/EDSA MRT station would be built.....

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/...p.jpg.pagespeed.ic.E8Pd1mqM4Y.jpg.

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http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/...24.jpg.pagespeed.ic.QY1D_WLYWp.jpg

The shortest, cheapest, viable route is to go through the CAAP compound on Airport Rd/Andrews Ave, then via Aurora Blvd. to EDSA.....

https://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hs=XmP&hl=en&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=naia+3+to+mrt+taft&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45175338,d.cGE&biw=1680&bih=880&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl


Of course, such undertaking will have to fight it out with other projects for funding priority. Just as important, potential riders would need to travel lightly and be alert. Squeezing into a full coach with much baggage could be very inconvenient and frustrating!   



[Edited 2013-04-12 13:42:33]


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User currently offlineBeardown91737 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6893 times:

Best Terminal Layout: MDW - brilliant how everything was made to fit with so little space available
ATW everything is close by
ORD - keeps distances shorter with Y-patterns and a semicircle arrangement

Worst Terminal Layout: LAX bad traffic pattern for cars, everything too close, causes automatic gridlock
PHX - grid pattern makes for long walks between connecting flights
DFW - same layout as LAX, but TX-sized, now everything is far apart instead
ONT - small airport - two terminals 1/2 mile apart

Best Runway Layout: MCO - something like 15000 ft

Worst Runway Layout: SNA - too short and pointed straight at rich NIMBYs



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User currently offlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6854 times:

Best....


*BDL. The new terminals are great. Well designed, easy security, and great performance in bad weather. (Stays open when most other stations close). A huge improvement from 20 years ago...and we locals will have no issues with seeing the wrecking ball finally take down the old Murphy building which still stands next door to the new terminals.

*PBI...simple and to the point. Easy in and out, nice terminal and little crowds.

*MCO...vacation kingdom that somehow runs quite smooth. Well laid out terminals and easy access to the highways.

*ATL....big but easy to navigate, lots to do during long layovers.

All above airports have quick gate to runway taxi times and smooth operations in that area


Worst....

*JFK. Clusterf**k any way you put it. The former Pan Am Worldport is a disgrace. Run down, baggage claim that resembles an inner city bus station, narrow hallways, long lines. An embarrassing first impression of the U.S. for arriving passengers. ATC delays....always having bad weather delays and diversions (which ironically end up at BDL most of the time)

*MIA....confusing signage, long lines, little organization....one wrong turn while leaving the airport in your rental car and you're in a nasty part of town.

*ORD....ever been there in a snowstorm? I rest my case.

*STT....yes this is a small airport, but it's a mess. Ticket counter lines that last for hours, inept employees, TSA and immigration lines from hell. Too many flights leaving at one time during the afternoon and on Saturdays. Sad way to remember a beautiful place as you are leaving.


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 33):
FRA is the same!!!
MUC is the same!!!!
ORD is the same!!!
LAX is the same!!
FRA and MUC make up for it by having options to stop at, such as stores. CDG landside does not have that if you're going between terminals, as far as I remember, or if they do, the options are minimal. I do like the architecture though, and it is a marvel.

Last time I was in ORD was ten years ago, so I cannot compare now.

I've only done O/D at LAX.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 34):
a monorail system (like the one trialed at UP) to facilitate transfers between terminals, and connect the airport to the Taft/EDSA MRT station would be built.....

There is a plan to connect the airport to the LRT directly through a spur line from Baclaran.

[Edited 2013-04-12 19:10:41]

User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6819 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 37):
There is a plan to connect the airport to the LRT directly through a spur line from Baclaran.

That will likely traverse the existing tracks that go down to the LRT rollingstock maintenance depot and yard...just across the same compound on Airport Rd and a bit southwest of Aurora Ave. It will save the cost of building new tracks up to that point, but goes by the cemetery through a decrepit area.

Baclaran hardly seems the place to let loose unwary travelers on...however, the operator could run a light rail train back and forth to there from a new NAIA station...and limit the monorail or bus shuttle to just the airport premises to minimize capital outlay. Not sure if people bound north on EDSA would need to change trains at Taft though.

A concerned expat wrote to Mr. Chanco about some very good ideas.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/201.../keep-naia-forget-fast-train-clark

[Edited 2013-04-12 22:44:46]


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User currently offlinejrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6625 times:

Agreed that Australian airports are bad, perth has to be the worst, mornings are domestic terminals are hectic with aircraft parked other side of the runway unable to cross.
Actually find Dubai unpleasant. Long bus rides packed terminal with minimal facilities and seating
SIN and HKG are paradise in comparison


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6562 times:

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 29):
Since when is CLT a small airport? US Airways has a HUGE hub there. Probably larger than Delta at DTW in terms of flights.

Now, now. Neither BC77008 nor I said CLT was small, just smaller. Keep eating your Wheaties, CLT.   



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6509 times:

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 31):
To be honest was a pain in the ass hauling my bag onto a train full of suburban commuters at 0800 Monday morning and getting charged $5 to do so.

I'm in inclined to agree with Icanfly, the train option at SYD almost isn't an option at all. As you say it costs $5 to go from T1 to T2/3, and it is not even a dedicated train. At peak hour, as you say, the trains are already packed with commuters by the time that they arrive at the airport, and trying to get a case on can be, well, a challenge!

At least at BNE the airport is the end of the line

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 31):
BNE is even worse

Other than the trains being empty, I agree, but...

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 32):
I think PER takes the cake for the worst airport to transfer in Australia

...if not the world!!!



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User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days ago) and read 6396 times:

It's subjective, depending on what you are doing. You mention LHR as one of the worst, yes it's my home airport and I know it like the back of my hand. If you are transferring through any airport at the same terminal it's bound to be easier than having to transfer on a bus/train or something.

PER - for example transferring between International/Domestic terminals can be a difficult - I've done it twice once at 4am from an international flight..buses start at 6am or something silly. Or you have a long wait between buses and the terminals are literally across the runway from one another.

But the best advise I give to people is check before hand which terminal your airline uses, study a map, even take one so at least you've got some idea potentially where you may need to go or where the general layout is.

Generally the second or third time you visit somewhere it becomes a bit easier.

Given time I like to wonder airport terminals just to get a feel for the layout.


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 927 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6391 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 28):
LHR - just a scattered maze of buildings. At least they are rebuilding and the alliances gradually seem to be coming together in their own terminal. big questions, will VS move to T4 and when will that endless collection of corridors known as T-1 be torn down!

LHR T-1 will be demolished as soon as the new T-2 is finished next year. It will nice to see the demo start at LHR T-1 and the old TBIT concourses at LAX. THe worst parts of TBIT may start to go away as early as the fall of this year.


User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 37):
Last time I was in ORD was ten years ago, so I cannot compare now.

I go through ORD often and other than some new runways and terminal refurbishment, not much has changed.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 37):
There is a plan to connect the airport to the LRT

I've heard about the LRT extention. Hopefully it will go to all 3 terminals.


User currently offlinedtwlax From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5725 times:

Best terminal at DTW. DTW does not have a bad runway layout either.
I see a lot of complaining about the terminals at LAX but LAX does have a very good runway layout.


User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1629 posts, RR: 20
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5702 times:

Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 35):
DFW - same layout as LAX, but TX-sized, now everything is far apart instead

I guess the roadways and parking garages outside are pretty bass-ackwards, but once you're airside at DFW it's actually quite pleasantly laid out. As has already been mentioned, the runway layout provides impressive capacity and in theory reduces delays (but try telling that to a planeful of passengers that have just taxied from 17L to the B or D terminals), and thanks to Skylink connections between terminals are relatively quick. The average Skylink ride takes only 5 minutes, and it only takes another 3-5 minutes to walk from any gate to the nearest platform.

I'm probably biased, though, since it's my home airport  



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6311 posts, RR: 9
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

All right, I'll throw it out there from an O&D standpoint - MCI. You can get between the gate and the curb in seconds, and taxi time is rarely more than a few minutes because there are three runways, in various directions, for a fairly quiet airport. All pretty efficient.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25106 posts, RR: 22
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 47):
All right, I'll throw it out there from an O&D standpoint - MCI. You can get between the gate and the curb in seconds, and taxi time is rarely more than a few minutes because there are three runways, in various directions, for a fairly quiet airport. All pretty efficient.

But the MCI terminal design is what prompted TWA to establish their major hub at STL instead of MCI. MCI works well for O&D traffic but not as a hub.


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2278 posts, RR: 7
Reply 49, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5611 times:

ICN, DTW, AMS, ATL are good designs, terminal-wise.

JFK, LAX, LGA, LHR, CDG: disasters terminal-wise.

Runway-wise:

NRT: disaster runway-wise (and taxiway-wise), though a nice airport to go through.

SFO: disaster runway-wise (in bad weather).

ORD: ewww, runways in all directions, seems like no planning! Not to mention interminable delays.

AMS: polderbaan... enough said  

Good: anything with lots of non-intersecting runways... ATL, CDG, etc...

Quoting sw733 (Reply 47):
All right, I'll throw it out there from an O&D standpoint - MCI. You can get between the gate and the curb in seconds, and taxi time is rarely more than a few minutes because there are three runways, in various directions, for a fairly quiet airport. All pretty efficient.

Can't argue with that!

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 48):
But the MCI terminal design is what prompted TWA to establish their major hub at STL instead of MCI. MCI works well for O&D traffic but not as a hub.

So? Who wants to connect in MCI, anyway?   All that would've happened is having the city lose a hub in 2001-ish.

And likely no Midwest Express springing up there... And that was a good airline.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 50, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5549 times:

Best Layouts- Runways
DEN
PHX
SEA
IAH

Best layout-terminals
PHX
DEN
MSP (if you don't mind a bit of a walk)


Worst layouts: Runways
ORD easily....it's a mindscrew.

Terminals-
ATL- start at one concourse and it takes an hour to get to the next one.
LAX- It's too packed, and again, you have no idea where youre going.
CDG-Walking miles
JFK
ORD

Quoting AR385 (Reply 3):
Worst rway config: NRT. Can´t figure out why they chose that site knowing the conflict with the farmers would make it impossible to build a crosswind rway. Makes for great YouTube videos though.

Well they had no choice. Building off-shore at that location would not have been a good idea, and building up at HND wasn't an option.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6311 posts, RR: 9
Reply 51, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 48):
MCI works well for O&D traffic but not as a hub.

Well then I should have prompted it with "from an O&D standpoint..."

Oh wait, I did  


User currently offlineusctrojan18 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

SFO runways have a pretty bad layout. Just 1 take off clearance that wasn't supposed to be could cause a huge catastrophe. They could fix this problem with one extra parallel bay runway, but the environmentalist would nearly die so that doesn't happen. So my vote for runways go to SFO.

Terminals: probably ORD because its all one giant clusterfu*k...


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

Surely Heathrow must be one of the worst terminal layouts.
I do feel for visitors to the UK who have to change here.
 



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User currently offlinea3xx900 From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Best Terminal Layout: AMS!! Then after a long pause of nothing comes MUC.
Worst: LHR, LAX, CDG.

Not taking all the small airports into account, that only have one terminal/runway...



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