MADtoCAE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 2451 times:
I heard on the news that the third safest passenger plane that exists is the Tupolev TU-142,and that made me wonder,
What are the first 2 safest planes existent?
StudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 2331 times:
I would say the Airbus A340 is probably in the top, as there has only been 2 hull-loss, and these didn't happen while it's in the air. One is the Air France that caught fire during Mx in 1994 in CDG, and the other is th SriLankan, when Colombo Airport was attacked by the Tamil Tiger in 2001. There were 2 landing gear problem in flight, and 1 hydraulic problem on the ground, causing a steering difficulty and collided during taxi on the ground.
The second would probably be the A330, but I'm not 100% sure about this. There has been, to date, 4 hull-loss, and only 1 was fatal (where all 7 POB died), and that was during the test flight in Toulouse in 1994. And the other 3 hull loss was a Malaysian, where rust-proofing material in the cargo-hold leaked, and the aircraft judged to be damaged beyond repair, and the other 2 is SriLankan, at the same time as the A340 was destroyed. The other incident that occured in-flight was Air Transat flight 236 where it went empty on the tanks, and the other was a minor incident while landing in Guam.
That would be my shot at the top two. I don't know whether it's actually the right planes meant by the news you heard
Edit: The B777 also has a perfect (or near perfect, with 2 mechanical-related incident in flight) record with no hull-loss. The Boeing 717 also has had no hull-loss so far (2 mechanical- related incident in flight), and as is the A319 and A321.
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 18 Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 2196 times:
Serached on the net and came up with the following answer
The safest type of aircraft is the Saab 340, followed by the MD-80 and the Boeing 767. Concorde is the least safe type of aircraft, with one major event out of 80,000 flights, according to the website www.airdisaster.com
Strange. So your second answer is right Geoffm. But as you say the database is rather old.
Cheers
BCal
[Edited 2004-10-21 20:27:52]
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Airtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3639 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2044 times:
The 777 has never had a hull loss, and if I am correct neither has a 737NG
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Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1986 times:
For amount of time in service, the 757 has to be within the top three. No 757 has been lost do to "the airplanes fault". All accidents have been due to human error. Nearly 25 years in service with such a distinction is truly remarkable.
JumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2462 posts, RR: 50 Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
The 747 has to be the safest aircraft in the sky .
Its record speaks for itself its been around 30 plus years with a handfull of hull loses due to the aircraft itself.
There has been a few hull loses due to a number of factors which had nothing to do with the aircraft itself.
And also if you concider that almost every major airline operates the 747 without incident daily thats a neet reputation that the aircraft has gained .
Cheers just my point of view
Geoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1803 times:
747s are 14th in the list according to http://www.airdisaster.com, although this is a couple of years out of date. I'm not really sure you can claim that fewer 747 accidents were due to human error - since, when it comes down to it, every crash is due to human error in one way or another, whether it be pilot error, dodgy maintenance, or a design fault.
FWIW the 747 has had 24 fatal events for 15 million flights, whereas (for example), the 737 has had twice as many events for five times as many flights.
767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1758 times:
You guys better knock on wood after you mention the 777 and 737NG and well, after mentioning specific numbers after types (such as A340-2 hull loses) as we don't want anymore hull loses for ANY a/c.
Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
JumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2462 posts, RR: 50 Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1751 times:
Geoffm
I did mention that it was my point of view that the 747 is the safest aircraft in the air.
And still do no matter what figures people throw at me .
The bigger the aircraft the more stable it is in the air
So are you telling me that every crash is due to human error ?
What about the weather?,windsheer,downdrafts wind currents etr from mountains . I could go on but i wont bore everyone with detail.
You cant tell me that the BOAC 707 that was torn apart by the elements at mount Fuji was human error.
Geoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
Weather is a factor, something that pilots train for and ultimately avoid (by diverting) if it is too extreme. Choosing to land at an airport while knowing the weather is atrocious, and then crashing, is down to pilot error.
Granted, occasional unforeseen events happen, so I'll revise my statement accordingly. The vast majority of airline crashes are due to human error.
Can you explain why you think the 747 is the safest aircraft, when the proven evidence is to the contrary? Even if you exclude fairly new planes, it still doesn't make the top 5.
Sky0000547 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1741 times:
It is a shame that AF Concorde changed the safety record of a truly great plane but surely Concorde should be up there with only 1 fatal accident over 25 years of history.
767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1735 times:
Sky0000547,
but with under 20 a/c having been made, the odds become lowered.
Regards
Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
Jetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1692 times:
Dragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3920 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
I would guess the 717 and the 777. I don't think there has been a accident with these two planes since they went into service.
Cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2379 posts, RR: 34 Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1516 times:
Curious Checo.
You say that the 777 and 767 are the safest, from your personal experience.
What do you mean by that?
If you've walked away from every flight you've been on, your personal experience is that everything is safe.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6929 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1506 times:
What about the 767-400? Or the 737-500/600/700/800/900?
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