Sponsor Message:
Travel Polls & Prefs Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
10 Top Longest Domestic Flights In The World?  
User currently offlineJMGRIFFIN From United States of America, joined May 2013, 72 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6855 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Hey guys, I realize this topic (and thread) comes up time and time again but with routes being added and removed all the time it's useful to revisit every now and again. Here's a post I'm working on for a blog that I run as a hobby (sorry, link not provided so as to not violate "No adverts of any kind. This includes web pages." policy) since this is a topic that interests me. So I've done my research (lots from past threads and airline timetables) and here's what I've come up with, and please respond if I've gotten any wrong or missed any:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You'd think that this was a cut and dry topic, but it's far from it. What flights should count? Non-stop only? Contiguous countries? Territories and dependencies (they do often have the same currency and government as their mother country)?? As a result we've had to categorize the list a bit. We'll start with a little background:  the IATA (International Air Transport Association) defines "domestic" as two places with the same ISO country code. Contrary to the IATA definition, however, the regular passenger considers domestic flights as those where they do not need to pass immigration on departure and arrival.

Longest non-stop domestic flight


The winner: St. Denis, Reunion-RUN to Paris-CDG operated by Air Austral covering 5,809 miles in 11h 10mins on a B777. This is same ISO code to same ISO code, so quite technically it's the longest non-stop domestic flight in the world.

cdg-run

In addition to the CDG-RUN route, Air France, Air Caraibes and Corsair International operate flights from Paris-ORY to Reunion-RUN, which is just 7 miles shorter than the CDG-RUN route for a total of 5,802 miles.

Runner up: USA coming in for a strong second with New York-JFK to Honolulu-HNL at 4,983 miles in 10 hours and 50 minutes. Operated by Hawaiian Airlines on an Airbus A330.

jfk-hnl

Worth noting: Either France had a much larger Empire that I realized or they've just maintained control of the territories longer than say Portugal or Great Britain and can therefore be qualified as domestic. Either way, with these two flights below, France's total has jumped to 3 of the longest domestic flights in the world.
- Paris-ORY - Cayenne, French Guinea-CAY (ISO Country: FRANCE) - 9h 15m flight - 4,401 miles. Flown by Air Caraibes & Air France from ORY.
- Paris-ORY - Fort-de-France, Martinique-FDF (ISO Country: FRANCE) - 8h 50m flight - 4,259 miles. Flown by Air France, Corsair International and Air Caraibes from ORY.

ory-cay:fdf

Longest non-stop domestic flight within contiguous country

Winner: Moscow-DME to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Airport-PKC clocking in at 4,224 miles. The flight takes 8h 40mins on Transaero's B777-300. A very close second, but technically the same market, is Moscow-SVO to PKC, coming in just 21 miles shorter at 4,203 miles. This flight takes just 8h 05mins on Aeroflot's B777-300ER (Rossiya Airlines sells tickets as well). Super impressive that this flight doesn't pass over borders or water.

svo:dme-pkc 2

Runner-up: The second longest domestic flight is from Sakhalin, Russia-UUS to Moscow-SVO for a distance of 4,140 miles. Aeroflot's Airbus A330 makes the trip in 8h 50 mins.

svo-uus

For comparison: The longest non-stop flight in the contiguous 48-states is Miami-MIA to Seattle-SEA on American Airlines at 2,724 miles in 6 hours 40 minutes. So, yes, if there's one thing Russia is still better than us at, it's being fricken enormous--really giving Texas a run for its money.

mia-sea

Longest domestic flight with stop


The winner: Paris-CDG to Papeete-PPT with a stop in Los Angeles-LAX. The cool thing? LAX couldn't be anymore perfectly in route: the total distance with a stop at LAX of 9,765 miles -- exactly matching the total distance if it could be flown directly. The flight is operated by both Air France (on a B777) and Air Tahiti Nui (Airbus A340) and takes a total of 22h 30mins: 12 hours from CDG-LAX, a 2 hour stop and a final 8h 30 mins on the LAX-PPT leg.

cdg-lax-ppt

Now should this officially count? Ehh, French Polynesia is just a territory but...Francois Hollande is the president. They do use their own currency, though. Either way, it's on this list and pretty cool that you can fly CDG-LAX-PPT all on the same Flight #, without ever having to deplane (I think), although I'm sure you would at least want to!

Runner-up: Houston-IAH to Guam-GUM with a connection in Honolulu-HNL. Flight #201 is operated by United Airlines and is technically 7,705 miles, though you could argue that only the direct distance of 7,446 miles should be counted. The total westbound trip takes 17h 1min: IAH-HNL in 8h 12mins, a 1hr 4 min stop and a 7hr 45 min flight from HNL-GUM.

iah-hnl-gum

Same debate applies with Guam as did Papeete, should it be included? Well Obama is the President, they have a governor and they use the US $ as their only currency. Sounds like 'Merica to me.

Fricken coolest domestic flight?


Winner: RAF Brize Norton, UK-BZZ to RAF Mount Pleasant Airport-MPN (Stanley, Falklands) would come in at 7,840 miles if flown direct but since they have to stop for refueling in Ascension Island-ASI the total is 8,096 miles.

bzz-asi-mpn

But what's so cool about this flight? The British Ministry of Defence (sic--as with most words in the Queen's version of English) arranges the flights and sells only between 10-30 seats per flight to civilians. It used to be flown entirely on Royal Air Force (RAF) equipment, but now is contracted out to different charter companies. They fly a few times a week and sell seats that aren't needed for British Military personnel. Don't expect any deals, though:  the flights will run you about £2,222 roundtrip ($3,450!). More info available here.

27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6812 times:

Quoting JMGRIFFIN (Thread starter):
You'd think that this was a cut and dry topic, but it's far from it. What flights should count? Non-stop only? Contiguous countries? Territories and dependencies (they do often have the same currency and government as their mother country)??

Another question would be, is "longest" in terms of distance or time? You use both in your examples.....  



Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.
User currently offlineJMGRIFFIN From United States of America, joined May 2013, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6748 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 1):
Another question would be, is "longest" in terms of distance or time? You use both in your examples.....  

Good point, I'll update it with clarification. I tried to sort by distance in miles (since that's what gcmap.com will spit out), going by time could vary greatly depending on equipment used to operate the route.


User currently offlineBoston From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

A very close second in the contiguous 48 would be BOS-SFO. Even though it is 2704 nm which is 20 less than MIA-SEA, that route consistently runs over 6 hrs, which on average makes it a longer flight time wise than MIA-SEA.

User currently offlineHOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

Quoting JMGRIFFIN (Thread starter):
Same debate applies with Guam as did Papeete, should it be included? Well Obama is the President, they have a governor and they use the US $ as their only currency. Sounds like 'Merica to me.

I'm not sure what Obama being the President has to do when considering Guam as a United States domestic flight?

Do United States Citizens need a passport to enter Guam? That would be a more pertinent qualification.



747 Number One Fan from U.S.A
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11646 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

Interesting list, thank you for assembling it.  
Quoting JMGRIFFIN (Thread starter):
Longest non-stop domestic flight within contiguous country

Winner: Moscow-DME to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Airport-PKC clocking in at 4,224 miles. The flight takes 8h 40mins on Transaero's B777-300. A very close second, but technically the same market, is Moscow-SVO to PKC, coming in just 21 miles shorter at 4,203 miles. This flight takes just 8h 05mins on Aeroflot's B777-300ER (Rossiya Airlines sells tickets as well). Super impressive that this flight doesn't pass over borders or water.

Not to nitpick, but PKC-VKO is 4 miles further than PKC-DME, flown on Transaero 763.

Additionally the longest domestic flight in Russia is currently AER-KHV at 4,287 miles, flown by Transaero on the B767-200ER.

Quoting JMGRIFFIN (Thread starter):
Runner-up: The second longest domestic flight is from Sakhalin, Russia-UUS to Moscow-SVO for a distance of 4,140 miles. Aeroflot's Airbus A330 makes the trip in 8h 50 mins.

UUS-DME is a little longer by 10 miles, flown with Transaero 773.


Dan  



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25191 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6665 times:

Longest domestic nonstop in Canada is YYC-YYT, 2,695 miles, a seasonal (summer only) route operated by WestJet 737-700. Block time eastbound 5:25, westbound 6:11.

YYC-YYT is 9 miles shorter than BOS-SFO for a U.S. comparison. It's also almost the same (10 miles shorter) than YVR-HNL. It's over 300 miles further than AC's YYT-LHR A319 transatlantic seasonal nonstop (2,316 miles).


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3624 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Quoting JMGRIFFIN (Thread starter):
USA coming in for a strong second with New York-JFK to Honolulu-HNL at 4,983 miles in 10 hours and 50 minutes. Operated by Hawaiian Airlines on an Airbus A330.

        

Taken that flight too many times to count (in both directions)...never seems to get easier!



I sell airplanes and airplane accessories
User currently offlinedaviation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6650 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 7):
Taken that flight too many times to count (in both directions)...never seems to get easier!

I was just on those flights a few weeks ago. Loved them. And calling the HNL-JFK flight "Hawaii Five-O" means someone at HA has a good sense of humor!


User currently offlineJMGRIFFIN From United States of America, joined May 2013, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6632 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Boston (Reply 3):
A very close second in the contiguous 48 would be BOS-SFO. Even though it is 2704 nm which is 20 less than MIA-SEA, that route consistently runs over 6 hrs, which on average makes it a longer flight time wise than MIA-SEA.

Totally agree, covered that one a few months ago in Top 7 Longest Domestic US Flights: http://www.weekendblitz.com/top-7-longest-domestic-us-flights/

Quoting HOOB747 (Reply 4):
I'm not sure what Obama being the President has to do when considering Guam as a United States domestic flight?
Do United States Citizens need a passport to enter Guam? That would be a more pertinent qualification.

Sorry, writing style tends to air on the sarcastic side! But just confirmed, no passport needed per the US Customs and Border Patrol site (http://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/980/~/needing-a-passport-to-enter-the-united-states-from-u.s.-territories): "U.S. Citizens and Lawful Permanent Residents (LPR's) who travel directly between parts of the United States, which includes Guam, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Swains Island and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI), without touching at a foreign port or place, are not required to present a valid U.S. Passport or U.S. Green Card. However, it is recommended that travelers bring a government issued photo ID and copy of birth certificate."


User currently offlineJMGRIFFIN From United States of America, joined May 2013, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6625 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5):
Not to nitpick, but PKC-VKO is 4 miles further than PKC-DME, flown on Transaero 763.
Additionally the longest domestic flight in Russia is currently AER-KHV at 4,287 miles, flown by Transaero on the B767-200ER.

UUS-DME is a little longer by 10 miles, flown with Transaero 773.


Dan

Man, you're making me look sloppy   . Did a quick fact check and you're very right on all of thoese. I've updated my info (Top 10 Longest Domestic Flights in the World). Thanks for the correction!


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3624 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

Quoting daviation (Reply 8):

I was going to ask you how they went since I saw in another thread that you flew this route recently

Hope it lived up to your expectations  



I sell airplanes and airplane accessories
User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5470 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

While HNL-JFK definitely deserves the title as it is 21mi longer, I feel that an honorable mention should also be given to HNL-EWR at 4962  


Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlineoctubre299 From Mexico, joined Jul 2013, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

I know you have concentrated on actual active flights but even though no one offers the service wouldn't Anchorage-San Juan or Honolulu-San Juan be by far the longest domestic non stop in the world?

[Edited 2013-08-10 15:40:03]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25191 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

Quoting octubre299 (Reply 13):
I know you have concentrated on actual active flights but even though no one offers the service wouldn't Anchorage-San Juan or Honolulu-San Juan be by far the longest domestic non stop in the world?

If you're including U.S. territories like Puerto Rico, San Juan-Guam would be much futther, but Paris-Papeete or Paris-Noumea would be even further.


User currently offlineJMGRIFFIN From United States of America, joined May 2013, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6422 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting octubre299 (Reply 13):

I know you have concentrated on actual active flights but even though no one offers the service wouldn't Anchorage-San Juan or Honolulu-San Juan be by far the longest domestic non stop in the world?
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
If you're including U.S. territories like Puerto Rico, San Juan-Guam would be much futther, but Paris-Papeete or Paris-Noumea would be even further.

Yeah, it's fun playing the hypotheticals game but hard to know where to draw the line...do you include territories? And if it's just a hypothetical then why include just major airports and not regional airports too (assuming it can support the large aircraft?). Either way, my curiosity got the best of my and I checked the routes above:

cdg-run

cdg-run

Looks like a CDG-NOU route would knock it out of the park. Vive la France...?

[Edited 2013-08-10 21:18:25]

User currently offlinedaviation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6262 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 11):
Hope it lived up to your expectations

They were very nice, thank you. I did the same flights last year as well in July 2012. There is absolutely nothing I can complain about, but I will say that the service last year was more ........ "Hawaiian." That is, the flight crews seemed friendlier last year, and last year's meal were served in lovely souvenir cardboard boxes. On the most recent flights, the flight crews appeared somewhat harried, and the meals were served in the usual plastic and tins.

Having said that, however, HA's service far surpasses any other domestic carrier I can think of. Although I live closer to EWR than JFK, I still chose HA over UA because I think HA's service is much better.


User currently offlineoctubre299 From Mexico, joined Jul 2013, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6093 times:

The French did always have a flair for stealing pretty Islands.

User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3232 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6045 times:

Quoting daviation (Reply 16):

Just a thought, is HA missing out on this LONG haul by not offering a true Int First experience?
Would it be worth while offering a First cabin say just 4 across offering Flat Bed and all the trimmings?
10h 50m is a heck of a long time in a tube, or is the market/money not there? 



you don't get a second chance to make a first impression!
User currently onlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 538 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5688 times:

Interesting topic, thanks for compiling the data.

One note to the Russian domestic flights. In May this year I flew VVO-DME with an UN 773 and upon departure from VVO the aircraft first establishes a North-Easterly heading to KHV to avoid Chinese airspace. It then turns West over KHV, so you'd have to add 383 miles (VVO-KHV) to the distance of 3'834 miles (KHV-DME), making it a total of 4'217 miles. Still not as much as AER-KHV however closely behind.

Also, I enjoyed flying SVO-UUS in May. Strange feeling to get off a 9h flight without passport control on a small Russian airport.

Regards,
Loran



703 717 727 732-9 747 757 767 777 787 AB2/6 310 318-321 330 340 380 D8M D91/3/5 D1C M11 M81-90 L10 IL8/6/7/W/9/4 TU3/5/2
User currently offlinedtwlax From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

Quoting JMGRIFFIN (Thread starter):
Either way, with these two flights below, France's total has jumped to 3 of the longest domestic flights in the world.
- Paris-ORY - Cayenne, French Guinea-CAY (ISO Country: FRANCE) - 9h 15m flight - 4,401 miles. Flown by Air Caraibes & Air France from ORY.
- Paris-ORY - Fort-de-France, Martinique-FDF (ISO Country: FRANCE) - 8h 50m flight - 4,259 miles. Flown by Air France, Corsair International and Air Caraibes from ORY.

EWR-HNL comes in at 3rd position after JFK-HNL.


User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

I've always wondered: When Hong Kong was a British Colony, was LHR-HKG considered to be a domestic flight?


At Eastern, we earn our wings every day!
User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5277 times:

Quoting 747buff (Reply 21):
I've always wondered: When Hong Kong was a British Colony, was LHR-HKG considered to be a domestic flight?

Not to my knowledge. It's not part of China but not considered domestic by immigration standards, so I doubt it was with the UK.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3070 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

What would FAI-MIA be? BRW-EYW would be longer, but not feasible.

User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 20):
EWR-HNL comes in at 3rd position after JFK-HNL.

No it wouldn't.
JFK-HNL is also not #2, but #3. ORY-RUN is #2 at 5802SM.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25191 posts, RR: 22
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 22):
Quoting 747buff (Reply 21):
I've always wondered: When Hong Kong was a British Colony, was LHR-HKG considered to be a domestic flight?

Not to my knowledge. It's not part of China but not considered domestic by immigration standards, so I doubt it was with the UK.

It was considered domestic in terms of traffic rights as only British and Hong Kong-registered carriers were permitted to sell traffic between the UK and HKG. It was a cabotage route with respect to those restrictions.


User currently offlinenicode From France, joined May 2012, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

Quoting JMGRIFFIN (Thread starter):
France's total has jumped to 3 of the longest domestic flights in the world.
- Paris-ORY - Cayenne, French Guinea-CAY (ISO Country: FRANCE) - 9h 15m flight - 4,401 miles. Flown by Air Caraibes & Air France from ORY.
- Paris-ORY - Fort-de-France, Martinique-FDF (ISO Country: FRANCE) - 8h 50m flight - 4,259 miles. Flown by Air France, Corsair International and Air Caraibes from ORY.

In addition to those flights, there is also :
- ORY-PTP (4,199 miles), flown by Air France, Corsair International and Air Caraïbes.
- CDG-FDF with SE (XL Airways France)
- CDG-PTP with SE
- CDG-RUN soon with SE
- CDG-DZA (4,990 miles one way only) soon with SE, routing (CDG-DZA-RUN-CDG)
- ORY-DZA (4,981 miles one way only) with SS (Corsair International), routing (ORY-DZA-TNR-ORY)

[Edited 2013-08-22 16:27:26]

User currently offlineairdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

For a minute I was thinking what is Aerolineas Argentina's "Air Austral" doing on French domestic routing, then googling set me right, it is Austral Lineas Aereas "Austral" which I traveled last week. 

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Longest Grass Runway In The World? posted Wed Feb 10 2010 11:15:36 by KDTWFlyer
Longest Possible Flight In The World posted Sat Apr 12 2008 15:50:11 by Meta
Domestic Flights In Japan posted Wed Feb 13 2013 18:46:10 by WROORD
Qatar Airways Business Class The Best In The World posted Tue Nov 13 2012 11:59:30 by Skippy777
What's Your Favourite Lounge In The World? posted Mon Oct 29 2012 02:21:16 by jonnyclark
TOP30 Busiest Airport In The World (2011) posted Tue Mar 20 2012 06:00:48 by LIPZ
Worst Airports In The World To Travel To/From posted Fri Feb 17 2012 07:42:57 by Tupolev160
Any Airlines In The World Allow Smoking? posted Mon Jan 2 2012 20:49:59 by doulasc
Best Flag Carrier In The World? posted Sun Oct 30 2011 05:19:04 by EUFlyer
Worst ATC Services In The World posted Thu May 19 2011 15:11:25 by Gonzalo