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User currently onlineiliam From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Does MAD have a transit zone? In other words, if a person traveling from Moscow, Russia through MAD to Mexico, would that person be required to have any sort of a visa for Spain?

Also - as this is something along lines - is there any reason why most US airports don't have transit areas, requiring travelers that are simply "flying through" to get visas to the US?

Thanks!

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Quoting iliam (Thread starter):
Does MAD have a transit zone? In other words, if a person traveling from Moscow, Russia through MAD to Mexico, would that person be required to have any sort of a visa for Spain?

Yes they do. You can check visa transfer requirements yourself using the IATA visa checker:

http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/travelinformation.php

Have the travel dates, airline, nationalities, etc., ready to enter.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently onlineiliam From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Yes they do. You can check visa transfer requirements yourself using the IATA visa checker:

http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/travelinformation.php

Have the travel dates, airline, nationalities, etc., ready to enter.

Very handy site, thank you!

Looks like the visa is required, as you pointed out, I think( "Yes they do" - assuming you meant visa is required)


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Quoting iliam (Reply 2):
( "Yes they do" - assuming you meant visa is required)

Oh sorry, I meant yes they do as in yes they have a transfer area.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

MAD does have a sterile transit area BUT depending on your friend's passport or nationality he/she still might need a Schengen transit visa...

User currently onlineiliam From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
Oh sorry, I meant yes they do as in yes they have a transfer area.

No worries, at all!

Hmm, the site suggests that a Spanish visa is required, but why would that be the case if there is a transfer area?


User currently onlineiliam From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 4):
MAD does have a sterile transit area BUT depending on your friend's passport or nationality he/she still might need a Schengen transit visa...

Got it, thanks!

Yea, that seems to be the case, according to the IATA site anyways. Problem is, I don't think that there are any transit visas available for Russian travelers, only tourist visas.

Aside from calling the embassy and/or airline reps(both of which I am doing tomorrow) here in the States, is there any other place where I might be able to dig up this information?

Thanks in advance!


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting iliam (Reply 5):
Hmm, the site suggests that a Spanish visa is required, but why would that be the case if there is a transfer area?

As mentioned above, some nationalities still require a transit visa for the Schengen zone. You might want to google for Schengen visa requirements or something, which should give you a list of affected nationalities. It should also give you some hints to workarounds, such as holding entry documents for other countries, like the U.S., even if you aren't traveling to the U.S. on that trip.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently onlineiliam From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
As mentioned above, some nationalities still require a transit visa for the Schengen zone. You might want to google for Schengen visa requirements or something, which should give you a list of affected nationalities. It should also give you some hints to workarounds, such as holding entry documents for other countries, like the U.S., even if you aren't traveling to the U.S. on that trip.

Will be taking a look - the individual will have entry documents for Mexico. Hoping that would suffice. Will have to make a few phone calls tomorrow, just to be sure.


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Your friend will not need a transit visa:

National Russian Fed. (RU) /Embarkation Russian Fed. (RU)
Transit Spain (ES) /Destination Mexico (MX)
ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW


Spain (ES)


Visa required, except for holders of a valid "D" visa issued
by another Schengen Member State For details, click here .
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Holders of onward tickets in transit


For details, click here *Note: TWOV is not possible when arriving from
a non-Schengen Member State AND departing to a Schengen Member

StateFor details, click here.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Quoting iliam (Thread starter):
In other words, if a person traveling from Moscow, Russia through MAD to Mexico, would that person be required to have any sort of a visa for Spain?

This web site suggests that Russian passport holders do not require a visa for an "airport transit" BUT it is confusing enough that I would check with your nearest Spanish Embassy/Consulate before your friend travels.
Web Site:
http://www.immihelp.com/visas/scheng...nvisa/requirements-exemptions.html


Gemuser



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User currently offlineORDTLV2414 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
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the United States does not have sterile transit for two reasons, first the United States can inspect every person possible, and make sure that they are not terrorists or drug smugglers. Second is that a transit visa will give the person a possible 15 day visit in the US, which helps the economy. Kinda sleazy if you ask me.

User currently onlineiliam From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 9):

Your friend will not need a transit visa:

National Russian Fed. (RU) /Embarkation Russian Fed. (RU)
Transit Spain (ES) /Destination Mexico (MX)
ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW


Spain (ES)


Visa required, except for holders of a valid "D" visa issued
by another Schengen Member State For details, click here .
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Holders of onward tickets in transit

For details, click here *Note: TWOV is not possible when arriving from
a non-Schengen Member State AND departing to a Schengen Member

StateFor details, click here.

Thank you for doing the research.

I am getting conflicting results, though. For some reason I can't copy the table from the site: http://www.immihelp.com/visas/scheng...nvisa/requirements-exemptions.html

but Russia is one of the countries that is on the "required" list. And the IATA seems to suggest the same. May I ask what the source you used was?


User currently onlineiliam From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):
This web site suggests that Russian passport holders do not require a visa for an "airport transit" BUT it is confusing enough that I would check with your nearest Spanish Embassy/Consulate before your friend travels.
Web Site:
http://www.immihelp.com/visas/scheng...nvisa/requirements-exemptions.html


Gemuser

Gem, you beat me to the site   but, I am actually seeing that it actually IS required, as per the first table on the page.


User currently offlineORDTLV2414 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2130 times:
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also it prevents aslyum seekers.

User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Quoting iliam (Reply 12):

but Russia is one of the countries that is on the "required" list. And the IATA seems to suggest the same. May I ask what the source you used was?

You need to be looking at the second chart that lists countries that need an airport transit visa not the first (it only applies if you are planning on leaving the airport).


User currently onlineiliam From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 15):
You need to be looking at the second chart that lists countries that need an airport transit visa not the first (it only applies if you are planning on leaving the airport).

That makes more sense. In that case, you are absolutely right!


User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 11):
the United States does not have sterile transit for two reasons, first the United States can inspect every person possible, and make sure that they are not terrorists or drug smugglers. Second is that a transit visa will give the person a possible 15 day visit in the US, which helps the economy. Kinda sleazy if you ask me.

I don't think that are the reasons, at least not the main one. It may be that the US more than any other country in the world is keen to know who is transiting though their country, but this is also more or less true with any other country in this world. And most of them do have sterile transit zones. People arrive, get security screens to make sure they do not carry anyhting dangerous, and then they're realeased free to fly wherever they want, as long as it's internationally. Why shouldn't the US be fine with that? They will not be able to enter the country as long as they do not pass immigration. I understand there is a risk of people seeking asylum and all that, but is the risk so high compared to the huge inconveniences caused to millions of traveller every year? I believe the real reason is more a pratical one: International transit is very low in the US compared to domestic transit. Also airport layouts are sometimes pretty old and difficult to change... It's probably more a cost reason, isn't it?


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