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Ever Been In A Holding Pattern More Than 3 Times?  
User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 25
Posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

Last week, I was surprised that our plane had been go-around 6 times. There was no problem with it and the weather looked fine and sunny. I guess that we had arrived too early and had to wait for other planes to land first before us. It gave me headache! lol Now...we arrived at the airport 15 mins late.

I was told that the plane can go around three times only. If not, it would run out of the fuel very quickly.


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3032 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Quoting FlyboyOz (Thread starter):
Last week, I was surprised that our plane had been go-around 6 times. There was no problem with it and the weather looked fine and sunny. I guess that we had arrived too early and had to wait for other planes to land first before us.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Why would your aircraft be on approach, and then go-around because other planes had to land? If you were early, you'd just be circling. Seems illogical that you would even be on approach. I could understand you needing to circle 6 times, but not go-around.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

A go around is when an aircraft has to abort landing at the very final stages of a flight usually with the landing gear down and configured for landing.

Are you sure you don't meant "holding" in a landing circuit?



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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3120 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

A plane would not have a missed approach 6 times. OP must mean the plane circled, which is quite normal. Could be a whole host of reasons, from ground ops to a plane issue to a crew issue.


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User currently offlinePITingres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1121 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

I've been on a plane that missed approach twice (I think, wasn't in the cockpit of course); it was an MD80 and thinking back on it, I'm surprised that the pax barf-bags weren't in use. Nasty shifting winds, but it was late in the evening and I don't think it was traffic. I suspect (without proof) that one more missed approach would have resulted in a divert.

6 go-rounds without being a hold sounds wildly excessive to me, so I'm thinking that it was a hold rather than a missed approach.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24817 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 3):
A plane would not have a missed approach 6 times. OP must mean the plane circled, which is quite normal. Could be a whole host of reasons, from ground ops to a plane issue to a crew issue.

More than 6 circuits in a holding pattern (which I'm sure is what the OP is referring to) are common. Can't count the number of times it's happened on my flights at LHR where it's very common (one reason I do my best to avoid LHR). Very rare at most other major European airports.

As far as actual go-arounds (missed approaches) are concerned, noticed one example a week ago (August 9) in the Transport Canada daily occurrence reports of a WestJet Encore Q400 that made 3 missed approaches at YYC before landing on the 4th attempt.

A Westjet Encore DHC-8-400 (WJE3247) from Saskatoon, SK (CYXE) to Calgary, AB (CYYC) overshot runway 16 at 0231Z due to unstable approach. The aircraft was vectored back around for an approach runway 10 and overshot that runway at 0240Z due to being "too high and having issues". WJE3247 was then vectored back for an approach runway 16 and was overshot by Tower due to traffic ahead on approach too slow. WJE3247 was vectored back for an approach runway 16 and landed OK at 0305Z.


User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2530 times:

Oh yeah... Sorry for the confusion! Yeah, I mean holding, the plane circled and holding pattern. Thanks for clarifying it.


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8685 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Yup, at RJK: it's a very small airport, doesn't have much in the way of ILS and it was foggy when my flight from STR got there. They flew the approach, went around and flew holding patterns, waiting for the fog to lift. Rinse and repeat another time, then we diverted to ZAG, waited there for a while and finally went to RJK - four hours late, IIRC.


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User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 530 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

The only places where I experienced more than three circuits were LHR, DXB and DOH the other day.

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Loran



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

More than 3 circuits are a pretty common occurrence at IST during peak times...


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7155 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 9):
More than 3 circuits are a pretty common occurrence at IST during peak times...

Likewise at MNL. I did it inbound to HKG in June, it assisted in ensuring I miss my connection. My plane had already been held on two seperate occasions onthe ground in MNL as well.


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Malaysia, joined Aug 2001, 2999 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2387 times:
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Due to severe storms at DFW, we did this for almost an hour:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/hl7534/20130522_050657.jpg

Glad that our plane was carrying enough fuel to do that even after a 13 hr flight!



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User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2366 times:

CGK @ peak hours (August 17, about 19:30 UTC+7)



[Edited 2013-08-18 21:39:52]

User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4944 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

If you like holding, just fly into ORD during the winter low visibility days. It never fails.


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