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What Will You Miss Most About The 744?  
User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 808 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5177 times:

Yes, I know it will still be flying for quite some time but opportunities to fly on it will be much more limited especially if you are loyal to a carrier that has phased it out.

So, what will you miss most:

- as a passenger
- as cabin crew
- as a pilot
- as a mechanic
- as ground crew

For me it is the cozy upper deck experience; like a private business class only aircraft.


...are we there yet?
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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5078 times:

I'll miss having shoulder space once 10-across on the 777 becomes the industry standard. Other than that, don't really care. Gonna be hard to miss the unique seating areas in the upper deck and nose since I hardly ever fly anything but Y class in the first place.

User currently offlineCdnCactus From Canada, joined Mar 2013, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

I can't even say exactly why I'd miss the 744, other than I'll miss it. That's illogical sentiment for you. So illogical that for the longest time I've thought it's because our family arrived in Canada eons ago on a 747, and therefore it's special to me. NOPE, that was a DC-10. D'oh!

I still love the 744 for trans-Pacific flights, just because.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Not much, if I get to keep flying on the 748...  


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User currently offlineusctrojan18 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

I've never flown on one, but I remember when my dad and I would come down to SAN and wait until 5PM or so for the BA747. It was something we did almost everyday and the 747 has been my favorite plane ever since. There is just something about seeing a 747 lift off slowly from the runway or watching it's wheels hit the runway and seeing the smoke rise from it. It's hard to explain, but I know some of you may feel the same way about seeing the Queen of the Skies in action and it will be a truly sad day when the 747s wheels touch down for a final time. I know the 747-8 is still around, but with the new A350, 787-10, and 777x coming out, I feel the coffin for the 747 is slowly being made and it's a shame that they will probably be gone before 2040. Oh well, I love all 747s and I'm planning on flying to Europe this spring on either Virgin Atlantic, BA, Lufthansa, or United (out of SFO), just to fly on a 747. Long live the Queen of the Skies

User currently offlineSIA747Megatop From Singapore, joined Apr 2012, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

The business class upper deck and the first class nose section. Especially in SQ's configuration where there was only 1 seat right at the front of the aircraft. I'll never forget my flights in seat 1B. There's a lot more character about the F at the front of the 747 than the 777.


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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4926 times:
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The sheer beauty of it. I still think it is the best looking subsonic commercial airliner ever built, despite the arrival of the 747-8.

The 747 is an icon. My very first flight was in an SQ 747-300. Boarding the jumbo via the stairs at Kai Tak airport, it became apparent just how massive the jumbo jet is! I still remember almost every detail from that flight. My first four flights were all on 747s, but after 45 flights, I have amassed only 8 legs on a 747 variant.

As for the 747-400, I have flown on that three times and loved every second of every flight. Each of my 744 flights had been exceptionally smooth, so either it was just luck or the 744s handle turbulence very well.

I may be a self confessed "777 fanboy", but the 747, particularly the 747-400, will always hold a special place in my heart. I'm old enough to remember when they were brand spanking new, and seeing it for the first time in the old CX green and white stripe livery was definitely a "wow" moment for me. I had a poster of VR-HOP when I was a kid. Don't know where it is now, but if I ever dig it up again, I think I'll frame it to protect it from further damage.

I'm still yet to log a 747-400ER or 747-8, so hopefully I'll get a chance to do that before too long. I have also yet to experience the upper deck of a 747, and that's something I must do before they're all gone.

[Edited 2013-08-24 00:43:14]


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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

I also just miss the way it looks. It really is just perfectly proportioned, and both graceful and strong looking at the same time.

Interior-wise, I will miss the feeling of space. I haven't flown on an A380 so I don't know how it compares, but I am not sure with two levels (and what I'd have to think are lower ceilings) that it could really compete with the 744 in this regard. Other planes may be longer as well, but with the split cabins every airline uses, length doesn't really translate to a feeling of space.

I'll miss the landings too. The 747 has always had a gentle but firm feel to it when it lands - which came from those extra bogeys behind the main gear. The 777 and other planes have never felt as "sure footed", even though some of them typically seem to land a lot firmer.

There are things I *won't* miss about the 744 too, though (especially the noise; it's definitely noisier inside than the 777 at any given location in the cabin).



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User currently offlinemptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

I would miss the upper deck calmness and serenity and feels like a separate aircraft with the side container. Also the nose section with that unique curvature.

User currently offlineLuxair From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

As a passenger I miss as you said the cosy upper deck the most and of course the comfort in general of that aircraft! Flying by ex., in KL's or BA and even CI's upper deck Business Class gave me always that special feeling that I've paid for something superior at least that was my own experience. Having been on multiple airlines, on different aircraft types (B777's,Md11's, A330's, ect.,) in Business Class, the 747 pops always out as an experience on his own who stays printed in my memory forever! No other aircraft came close to this feeling.


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User currently offlineKuja From Bermuda, joined Aug 2013, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Echoing the comments above, the unique cabin zones of the nose and the upper deck. There is nothing else quite like it. An A346 or an A380 may be quieter, but they cannot touch the 747 for its feeling of exclusivity in those zones.
That and the feeling of imperiousness from the lofty heights of the flight deck.  


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Well I can't compare it to an A38 inside, but I do know that I will miss the cabin of the 744. The bigger the better for me. The larger the cabin area, the more comfortable I am. And to me the seats way in the back of coach are an experience that is totally unique.

From a spotting point of view, no other airliner is as elegant or impressive as a 747 to me. It's sad to see most of them flying into the sunset.


User currently offlinedeepunderground From Indonesia, joined Dec 2012, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Another vote for upper deck business class. So peaceful!

User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

My first jumbojet flight was on a SQ 742 in 1980 and it was not till thirteen years later that I finally got on a 744.
Since then, have flown on it with various airlines upwards of a dozen times, with the most memorable being on a Cathay bird from BKK to SIN. There were two of us travelling together and we happened to be the only two passengers given a free upgrade to the nose section, with the Y class being slightly overbooked. That was my first and only occasion in that exclusive front cabin. Beside us, there were five other occupants, with two of them being Hasselblad-toting thirty-something Thai monks.
A truly unique experience and the most luxurious air travel mode I have ever been on; with the bottom end of the scale being nestled on a flip-down bench with nylon mesh straps of a C-130B loaded with tons of cargo crates.



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User currently offlinemegatop From Denmark, joined May 1999, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

I have logged 36 flights on the 747.

747-200 - Northwest Orient, British Airways, Garuda Indonesia and Qantas.
747-300 - Thai
747-400 - Singapore Airlines, Thai, KLM, British Aiways, Qantas.

My first 747 flight was 15th august 1979 on a Northwest Orient 747-200 from CPH to JFK. My last to day was in april 2013 on a KLM 747-400 Combi from AMS to LAX.

So my relation with the 747 spans almost 34 years. !!!!

What will I miss about the 747 ? I still think that it's one of the most beautiful commercial aircraft ever built. It is also, perhaps the most reconnizable plane i the world.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2040 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

I've only flown once on a 747. It was a UA 747-400 SFO-SYD. After spending all day at the United Club in SFO watching planes takeoff, I was dying to get on it. I flew on the *A 744.

I will miss the sheer grandeur of the airplane. It was always a lifelong goal of mine to fly in her, and that dream finally came true. My favorite plane maybe the 777, the the 744 definitely gained a larger softspot in my heart.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

The Majestic appearence of the type standing on the tarmac......The silent start up of its engines......


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

I got the chance to fly on the upper on DL MSP-NRT once. I love the intimate feeling of the upper deck, and the exclusiveness of going up the stairs.

User currently offlinemagpie75 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3033 times:
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The roar of the engines on take off, the A380 just doesn't sound the same!

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2823 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

I'm clearly in the minority here, but I really can't think of anything in particular I'll miss about it.

User currently offlinedelta777jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

All my 747 flights were amazing ! I have logged these 747 flights!

B-747-100 United Airlines IAD-SFO 07/1991
B-747-SP United Airlines JFK-LHR 08/1991
B-747-100 TWA STL-JFK 01/1996
B-747-400 Lufthansa FRA-LAX 02/1998
B-747-400 Singapore Airl. JFK-FRA 09/1998
B-747-400 Air Canada YYZ-FRA 10/1998
B-747-400 Singapore Airl. JFK-FRA 10/1999
B-747-200 Lufthansa FRA-IAD 10/1999
B-747-400 Thai Airways ATH-FCO 02/2000
B-747-400 Singapore Airl. FRA-JFK 12/2000
B-747-200 Lufthansa JFK-FRA 12/2000
B-747-400 Virgin Atlantic SFO-LHR 09/2001
B-747-400 British Airways LHR-ORD 02/2009



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2911 times:
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First longhaul flight I ever took was on a JAL 744, so that's one great memory (particularly when the FAs let us plunder the upper deck of goodies - that impressed us as kids!).

I also echo the sentiments about looks, particularly the fact that it's such a well-proportioned bird. It's graceful, yet huge and thoroughly impressive to watch. At the moment I see a lot of 744Fs coming to and going from STN, and I always love seeing them take to the skies. They're always low as they fly past the town on takeoff, which adds to the interest.

Hope they'll be around for a good while yet.



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User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2891 times:

* Her iconic looks, even those who have absolutely no interest in aviation can easily recognize the mighty 747.

* The beautiful winglets. No airliner has winglets that even come close to the beauty of the 744's, except the A330/340.

* The large windows with traditional window shades, I can't imagine flying on the new breed of airliners with electronic window dimmers that enable the crew to override the pax and darken the windows however, whenever they like! This one obviously applies to other types of airliners, not only the 744.

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
Not much, if I get to keep flying on the 748...

There was a thread recently about LH planning to retire theirs prematurely, I hope they won't do so as soon as they get their hands on the 77X.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19693 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

The noise those fans make as they spool up.

The arc of the wings as she rotates.

The sheer size of the wing outside the window.

The sense that you are stepping into a moving building and not just an airplane.

Watching the engines bobble and bounce on their pylons in turbulence.

The elegant, understated, functional design of the interior fittings.

But for me, the 744 connects me to the experience of flight a bit better than the newer, more polished birds. The 787 gives a better, smoother, cleaner-feeling ride and the A330 is so very quiet inside. But the 744, when it is loaded to MTOW (like SFO-SYD) and rumbling down the runway has a feeling of connectedness to the airplane, as if every passenger is helping to will her forward. Something I don't think any plane other than a 747 will ever have.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2721 times:
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Very lyrical account there Doc - and all absolutely true! Well said.


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User currently offlineHOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

I came to the United States in 1971 as a 2 year-old adopted child from Seoul. And I arrived into Seattle on a Northwest Orient 747-100. Seoul to Tokyo NW flight # 22 and Tokyo to Seattle NW flight # 4. Although I don't remember the flight, I have always loved the 747, my favorite airplane. That iconic hump, those elegant lines. That cute nose. I love her. Out of my 250 flight segments, I count 30 on the 747 variants (741-742-744-748).

[Edited 2013-10-02 15:04:54]


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User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

I only flew on the 744 once, BA from LHR to IAH.

This was before Terminal 5B and 5C at LHR were fully operational, so we boarded from the bus, going up the stairs. I believe this was the best way to board a Boeing 747 because you really get to appreciate how big the plane is.

I was sitting in the upper deck, and I got to enjoy the privacy and quietness of it. Though much smaller than the "usual" wide-body cabin, it still felt wide and spacious. Also, this was my one chance to get to visit the cockpit. I asked if it was possible to do so, and they welcomed me in for a few minutes as they were preparing for the departure. The third pilot actually spent a little time with me even showing me the route for the day. He said that, in spite of how big the plane is, it flies really gently and smoothly. Very true. It was one of my best flights.


User currently offlineworkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Just about everything :

- the way it looks from the outside: in my opinion, the best looking civil airplane (followed by the A340-300 and by the Il-76, if it can be considered "civil")

- the way it feels from the inside (like a flying palace, which is a feeling you will NEVER get on any 777)

- its winglets (best proportioned and shaped of any aircraft, with the exception of the 340/330)

- its massive three-part slotted flaps!

- the sheer feeling of power on engine spool-up / take off


User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1361 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting megatop (Reply 14):
My last to day was in april 2013 on a KLM 747-400 Combi from AMS to LAX.

Was it Karachi? I seem to draw that one a lot...

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 16):
The Majestic appearence of the type standing on the tarmac......The silent start up of its engines......

I definitely agree with the 1st part. One of the things I do enjoy about my time at LAX is that there are always at least a few of these around.

As for the 2nd part, I can only guess you mean from the inside?

I used to love pushing out the BA744s (back when I was at DFW; these days if I'm ever actually catching a line, it's far more likely to be PR, LH, Air China Cargo or KL). I realize that PAX think these are large aircraft from the inside, but it's quite another thing to walk alongside a moving example. It really does seem a lot more like putting a container ship into a channel than pushing just another airliner out of the alley. I know I'm carrying on about this, but you really can't get away from the size of it.

And then startup... I singled out BA's as their RB211s are quite a different sound than the CF6s or PW4000s, and IMHO, altogether more awesome. With the interphone jack plugged in and headset on, there really isn't much to hear at first. In fact, the sound of breathing is almost enough to overwhelm the PACKs (which without hearing protection sound like a herd of Banshees; they are unusually loud and high pitched on the 747).

There are a few things I liked about this. First, as with any type, hearing the PACKs wind down. If you're really into this airplane stuff, the feeling here as that noise goes away is the same as when the lights dim and the curtains go up at any other live performance. Only here, I think this is amplified as there is a lot of noise being dumped, and a lot more about to happen. Starting from #4 leftward, a sound like a tire valve whooshing as the engine begins to turn. Soon and evenly replaced by a high pitched but barely audible fluttering, it really doesn't last long. Following up closely, a deep, persistent thrumming as the stage one's begin to turn for real. My personal favorite is on a windy day; watching the windmill effect reversed as wind up becomes self sustaining.

The auditory sensation is difficult to reproduce, although the closest I've ever heard was the alien machine start-up sequence in the 2005 reboot of War of the Worlds. The bass effect is sufficient to vibrate your boots if you lift them from the ground.

But the absolute best is when we'd get some Captain who was cool with shutting down all three PACKs at once, instead of in sequence. The resultant air charge would make an unholy "bang" sound upon start-up, somewhere between a back-fire and the sound a dumpster might make if you dropped it from a two-story building. Can't really say why, but the whole sequence is just about enough to make one's day.

So, yeah, I'll miss all that.

I think also what I will miss is how personalized 744s tend to be. Like with any airframe, there are certain things always in the same places and done the same way. But with the 744, airlines seem to have a bit more than normal wrt the layout. A purser station right under the stairs on a BA machine might be in a completely different spot on a KL example. Some airlines feature only Y class upstairs, some J/C or Y+. FC layouts are full of all manner of variety as well. Then you have the sidelong galleys a la KL, or even a whole section walled off for freight.

As well the F variants also seem to have every different type of layout in their humps, with the BCFs being the most interesting (IMHO of course).

I'll also miss the FD layout, to some small extent. Maybe others here can chime in on this one, but to me, the 744 at least seems easier to taxi than anything from the 737NG family. While it is a tight fit up there, the visibility was always better than I expected, and especially at close to dead weight, having 16 brake sets certainly helped with handling. Anyway, I'm rambling, so we'll cut this short(er).

As a PAX, I have to say it's similar to experiences I've had on other large widebodies. You have good airlines and not as good ones as we all know. Some layouts though, are especially nice (I'm actually pretty fond of BA's Y+ being ahead of J and behind F on some of their units), and the fact that there are galleys and monuments all over the place gives a more intimate feeling than say a 787, which by comparison feels like sitting in a cheap cafeteria. As always, YMMV.

Quoting workhorse (Reply 27):
- its massive three-part slotted flaps!

Used to love those... Until I had to hang a set once. Never again!



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1823 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Been on AF, LH, QF, Air Pacific and BAs 744s, nice aircraft and very roomy in the old days. Have not been flying in one for like 15 years now, just in NBs or WB twins.

Its the best looking aircraft imo, though I like the look of the -8 with the bigger engines.


User currently offlinekevinkevin From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

I will miss the elegance as soon as it leaves the tarmac. No other aircraft has as much presence as a 747 on take off. 747 will always be my "queen of the skies". In service or not.

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