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Booking QR Before They Join OW  
User currently offlinebps3458 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 565 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

Hi guys,

am just looking for reasonable business class fares with OW carriers from Australia to Germany in June next year. Found a great rate of AUD 5,085 with QR from MEL in to FRA. AY came in at AUD 5,600.00. EK/QF are out of the question at AUD 7,800.00.

With QR scheduled to join OW October 31, 2013 will I earn QF frequent flyer points and status credits if I book in the next couple of days before QR actually joins OW ?

Already made the mistake once this year booking EK business class BNE-HAM before their JV with QF actually came in to effect. I did end up getting my QF frequent flier points but missed out on status credits which will most likely cost me my platinum status.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Cheers from Brisbane,

Peter

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User currently offlineflyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 812 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

QR will be full OW member on 31st October this year. As your flights are in June, you will get all benefits as on other OW members, regardless when you booked. Hope this helps


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5577 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

Quoting bps3458 (Thread starter):
will I earn QF frequent flyer points and status credits if I book in the next couple of days before QR actually joins OW

Yes you will have your status recognised and will earn miles and status credits.

Because you are in J this shouldn't be an issue (I would assume that all J/F inventory earns) but if in Y then I would probably hold off until QF announce which fair classes would earn in the Qantas Frequent Flyer program. For example, if you look at CX and MH, the discount fair classes don't earn. Until last month the same applied for AA. Just because QR's own program earns in every fair class doesn't mean that QF's automatically will (again, see AA).

By the looks of it, the price that you cited is in I inventory for the MEL-DOH-MEL sectors B inventory for DOH-FRA-DOH (were you aware that DOH-FRA-DOH is in economy?!?) in which case I would predict 95% odds that you are home and dry, and safe to book that. While this is far from official until QF do announce the fair classes that earn, I have no doubt that I and B would be included on the list.

I hope that helps  



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User currently offlinebps3458 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
(were you aware that DOH-FRA-DOH is in economy?!?)

Hi RyanairGuru,

welcome to my respected members list. I was not aware that the DOH-FRA-DOH segments are in economy. Certainly a deal breaker for me so it looks like I will book AY for around AUD 5500 BNE-HAM-BNE unless you have any other suggestions.

Am more than happy to fly ex SYD or MEL. Doesn't need to be HAM either (which is my ultimate destination) but FRA is fine as well. As a German always enjoy renting a nice fast car and going for a ride on the Autobahn.

I personally like EK 435 out of Brisbane in to DXB connecting to HAM especially as they will upgrade this flight to an A388 as of October but am simply not willing to fork out AUD 2,200 more for this option.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

Cheers from Brisbane,

Peter


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5577 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1604 times:

Hi Peter,

I'm glad I could be of some help  


Out of interest, do you mind if I ask what dates you are looking at in particular? I have had a look for you from BNE, MEL, and SYD to HAM, FRA, DUS, HAJ, and TXL.

I really hate the be the barer of even more bad news, but unless you can confirm otherwise with the vendor that quoted that price then the $5,500 AY fair is in Y BNE-SIN-BNE!

The cheapest fair on AY for Business Class the entire way in both directions is $6,800. There is a cheaper fair available from Sydney ($6,345) but this requires an 11 hour layover in BKK on the return (arrive 07:15, depart: 18:25), which I assume that you are not interested in. Apart from that SYD and MEL are roughly the same at $6,800-$7,000.

The two cheapest options look like QR and MH. QR (actually in J!) is coming in at $6565 from MEL. MH is $6,505 from MEL. Because MH only have one flight from KUL to FRA, which leaves in the evening, it isn't possible to connect BNE-KUL-FRA without a layover in KUL. However, MEL-KUL-FRA-KUL-BNE is $6779. While this is $274 more than returning to MEL, it might be worth it if your final destination is BNE.

The thing to watch out for with MH is that these fairs are in Z inventory. With QFF, Z only earns 75% of the distance travelled, and also you won't earn a cabin bonus. This seems awfully stingy to me, but it is what it is! You will, of course, still earn status credits.

It is more than the AY price to HAM so you probably aren't too interested, but CX is about $6,950 for BNE/SYD/MEL to FRA.

In light of all of this I would probably recommend the AY flight to HAM, especially if you are starting and ending your trip in BNE, as the domestic flights to MEL/SYD would probably make the other options end up more expensive overall. I'm just sorry to have to tell you that it is so much more than you were expecting! The downside with AY is the ridiculously long layover in SIN outbound.


I hope that this is of some value to you, and have a pleasant trip  

Regards,
Alex



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User currently offlinebps3458 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Hi Alex,

thanks again for your detailed response. Dates are fixed. Need to fly out 19.06.13 departing from Germany 30.06.13. Home airport is BNE and final destination is HAM. Zuji offered AY in all business from BNE to SIN (on QF) on to HEL and HAM coming back via HKG (HKG-BNE on QF again) for AUD 5,835.14 including all taxes, surcharges, etc.

Went back to Flightcentre to see what they can offer after they initially offered AUD 6,032 for exactly the same flights. Knowing them they will beat Zuji by AUD 1. I wonder what I need to do to fly for free ???

This seems to be the best offer at this stage but having flown same route with AY three times am more than willing to try something else if price is similar or lower. Departure can be from SYD or MEL (have enough miles to burn for the QF domestic flights from/to BNE) and as airports in Germany would be okay with FRA, HAJ, DUS and TXL instead of HAM.

Let me know what you can come up with. Sorry for taking up so much of your time.

Cheers from Brisbane,

Peter


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5577 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Quoting bps3458 (Reply 5):
19.06.13
Quoting bps3458 (Reply 5):
30.06.13

Thanks for that. I was playing around with dates earlier in June. That would explain the difference in fare*, albeit I'm not sure why it would be cheaper towards the end of the month.

(*I apologise for my spelling mistakes above!)

The thing to consider with Zuji is that they add $40 for their own charges. Therefore the price that Flight Centre will match is $5795.14. However, presuming that you want to pay by credit card, Flight Centre will charge a fee on-top of this. The fee is 1.98% for Visa/Master, and 2.97% for Amex. Therefore, for Visa/Master Flight Centre will work out at $5909.88, $74.74 more than Zuji. If you are paying by Debit, however, then Flight Centre will not charge a fee.

Quoting bps3458 (Reply 5):
wonder what I need to do to fly for free

I hate to say this, but this is a bit of a misnomer! You would have to inform your Travel Consultant of the lower price, and they would have to ignore you and charge you the higher price regardless. Needless to say, if you are able to claim a free flight then that doesn't look good on the Travel Consultant that sold you the flight in the first place. Because of this most Consultants are clued in 100% about price matches, and will always beat it by at least $1 to prevent you from then claiming a free flight. Sorry! 
Quoting bps3458 (Reply 5):
Sorry for taking up so much of your time


Not a problem in the slightest  

I will play around with this further and get back to you tomorrow.

Regards,
Alex



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlinebps3458 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 6):
The fee is 1.98% for Visa/Master, and 2.97% for Amex. Therefore, for Visa/Master Flight Centre will work out at $5909.88, $74.74 more than Zuji. If you are paying by Debit, however, then Flight Centre will not charge a fee.

Hi Alex,

my consultant at the local Flight Centre already got back to me and beat the price by exactly AUD 1 but also confirmed payment by credit card will not attract a fee. Think I'll book end of the week unless you come up with an "exotic" OW option at a similar or lower price.

What really annoys me is the fact that FC always seems to try selling you the usual QF/CX/SQ/EK options even though I initially clearly asked him for the cheapest OW option and other non OW options such as KE, etc.

Good night from Brisbane,

Peter


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5577 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Hi Peter,

I'm sorry about the confusion last night. I had to confirm this today as I was misinformed, but as the Zuji fare includes their own "fee" then FCL waives the credit card fee. Your Consultant was therefore absolutely right, it is the Zuji fair -$1 without the 1.98% added.

I had another look into this today, and I'm afraid to say that the AY fare looks like the very best OW option. You are probably best, therefore, to go ahead and book it sooner rather than later in case the Zuji fare goes up, as that fare is lower than what other vendors are quoting.

You said that you've done the same trip several times before, so you are probably familiar with the SIN layover, but if you wanted to cut the connection then you could book the same itinerary but with the first segment BA16 SYD-SIN. This leaves SYD at 15:40. The itinerary would be SYD-HAM-BNE, and comes in at $5720. By the time that you have factored in the connecting flight from BNE the time saving is probably minimal, but I thought that I might as well mention it anyway.

For the record, the AY fare is quoting in I for all segments, which means that you earn 125% of the distance travelled and accrue status credits, but unfortunately AY flights do not earn a tier bonus in the QFF program. Even though the HEL-HAM-HEL sectors are operated by FlyBe, they still earn full mileage/status credit accrual as though it was a mainline flight. You would earn 640 status credits for this trip.

Once again I apologise for any confusion I caused, and wish you a very pleasant trip (and good luck maintaining Platinum!)

Regards,
Alex



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User currently offlinebps3458 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Hi Alex,

done. Flights all booked and confirmed. Really do not mind the long layover in Singapore as I have good friend living near the airport that I will see for a drink. Otherwise, will just hang out at the pool at Changi and go for a swim. Thanks once again especially for "saving" me from booking the mixed class QR ticket.

Cheers from Brisbane,

Peter


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Quoting bps3458 (Thread starter):
With QR scheduled to join OW October 31, 2013 will I earn QF frequent flyer points and status credits if I book in the next couple of days before QR actually joins OW ?

In case you haven't seen it there is a new thread in the Civil Aviation forum about QR announcing its arrangements with BA/AA/QF as regards mutual recognition [if that's the right phrase] of earning and burning FF points which come into effect in October.


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