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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2465 posts, RR: 5
Posted (11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

For the upcoming spring semester I'm going to be studying abroad in Brisbane. I've flown to Europe before but these flights are 12-14 hours long. Here are the flight details:

QF 108 Depart LAX at 11:55 PM, arrive at SYD at 9:40 AM

QF 15 Depart BNE at 10:35 AM, arrive at LAX at 6:40 AM.

I'm also flying QF from SYD to BNE, but that short hop is not as important. I've got a few questions about the longer flights though:

1.) Has anyone else done these flights before in economy class and is it really as miserable as it sounds?

2.) What's the meal service like, especially on the LAX-SYD flight? Because of how late it leaves I wasn't sure if they do dinner/supper or just wait to give out breakfast before landing.

3.) How long does it stay dark outside during the return flight? I'm thinking it might be key to get some sleep here or else my body clock will be telling me to go to bed right when we land at LAX.

4.) I'm a little confused about the BNE flights at LAX. Am I still going to arrive at the TBIT or will it be at AA's terminal?

5.) On the day of my return WN's got a nonstop flight to MKE leaving at 8:55 AM. Would I have enough time to clear customs, transfer terminals to check in, and then make it over to that flight? Or should I get a later flight and just go through LAS?

Thanks!


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User currently offlinecofannyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
1.) Has anyone else done these flights before in economy class and is it really as miserable as it sounds?

Yes. And it is not that bad. Sleep for 8 hours, watch some movies, eat two meals, and you'll be there before you know it.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
2.) What's the meal service like, especially on the LAX-SYD flight? Because of how late it leaves I wasn't sure if they do dinner/supper or just wait to give out breakfast before landing.

There's dinner. They don't make you go 12 hours without a meal.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
3.) How long does it stay dark outside during the return flight? I'm thinking it might be key to get some sleep here or else my body clock will be telling me to go to bed right when we land at LAX.

I honestly can't remember when and how long it is light on the return flight. But with that massive time change, your body will be messed up no matter what you do. I've tried everything on AUS-USA flights and it still takes days to recover.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
4.) I'm a little confused about the BNE flights at LAX. Am I still going to arrive at the TBIT or will it be at AA's terminal?

As far as I know QF15 arrives at TBIT, QF16 departs from Terminal 4 (for now)

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
5.) On the day of my return WN's got a nonstop flight to MKE leaving at 8:55 AM. Would I have enough time to clear customs, transfer terminals to check in, and then make it over to that flight? Or should I get a later flight and just go through LAS?

Should be fine, but it depends on delays out of BNE, delays into LAX, staffing by CBP, etc...


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1625 times:
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Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
1.) Has anyone else done these flights before in economy class and is it really as miserable as it sounds?

I thought it was fine. I'm just average size and had no problem. The seats recline pretty well and they aren't tiny at all. The entertainment helps the flight go by. The part I loved was how late the flight left. Pass right out, wake up, watch a couple movies, and you're all set.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
2.) What's the meal service like, especially on the LAX-SYD flight? Because of how late it leaves I wasn't sure if they do dinner/supper or just wait to give out breakfast before landing.

If I remember correctly there is a dinner service after takeoff and then a breakfast service prior to landing. It's been a while since I did the flight though, so don't quote me on it. They also give out an inflight snack.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
3.) How long does it stay dark outside during the return flight? I'm thinking it might be key to get some sleep here or else my body clock will be telling me to go to bed right when we land at LAX.

I think it's dark for a good portion of it.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
5.) On the day of my return WN's got a nonstop flight to MKE leaving at 8:55 AM. Would I have enough time to clear customs, transfer terminals to check in, and then make it over to that flight? Or should I get a later flight and just go through LAS?

You could probably make it, but I'd just be cautious. If you could get one that leaves just a little bit later it wouldn't hurt.

Quoting cofannyc (Reply 1):
I honestly can't remember when and how long it is light on the return flight. But with that massive time change, your body will be messed up no matter what you do. I've tried everything on AUS-USA flights and it still takes days to recover.

I found it was much easier adjusting going to AUS than coming back. No issues going there. On the way back I remember being up until like 4 AM and then being exhausted by 6 PM the next day.
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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
1.) Has anyone else done these flights before in economy class and is it really as miserable as it sounds?

Yes and yes. I seem to recall you are a moderate-to-large man, around 5'10" to 6', with an athletic build, no? You'll be somewhat uncomfortable if I'm correct. My suggestion is to visit your doctor and ask for a prescription for a sleeping pill. Any doctor with an ounce of heart will give a patient a little "something-something" for a flight like that if asked nicely. After takeoff, eat dinner and drink a glass of wine...and then drop the ambien (remember to pee first!). You'll wake up in time for breakfast to be served and you'll skip most of the flight. You'll arrive rested, too.

I did it on UA, so no PTV's, either. In a 90's-tastic Y cabin that clearly hadn't been redone since the delivery of that 744 (this was in 2008). It was lovely.

Now, an interesting quandry: whether to get a window or an aisle. On departure from LAX, you will take off almost due west and you pass over the beach and head out to ocean within 60 seconds of rotating. And that is the last land you will see until about 5-10 minutes prior to landing (you usually leave after dark, anyway). That said, those ten minutes of approach are pretty fantastic if you're on the side that happens to get the tour of Botany Bay and the Harbor Bridge and the Opera House...

So given that for most of the trip, the window will be a very uninteresting place, you might enjoy having aisle access. But I'm a window man through-and-through. I got a stroke of extraordinary good luck on my return trip and scored the exit row window on a 744. There was no seat for a good 4 feet/1.3meters or so in front of me (exit door and F/A jumpseat...so no recording the takeoff on my iPhone :/ ). I could just stand up, step forward, and be free to move about the aircraft without having to bother anybody about it. It was awesome. Highly recommend one of those seats if you can get them.  

But I digress into anecdote.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
3.) How long does it stay dark outside during the return flight? I'm thinking it might be key to get some sleep here or else my body clock will be telling me to go to bed right when we land at LAX.

It gets dark maybe 3-4 hours after departure from SYD and stays that way until a few hours prior to arrival. You'll get a solid 8-9 hours of dark at least. On arrival at SYD, I had just enjoyed ten blissful drug-induced hours of sleep. So as soon as I checked into my hotel, my first stop was the pool for a workout. The real trouble came at 3AM the next morning when I was tossing and turning in bed and my body clock was insisting it was 11AM and I should be wide awake. And I had a 9AM flight to CHC. I was a bit of a mess for the next three or four days until I adjusted. On the way back, I had an easy adjustment. I didn't sleep the entire flight back because I'd lost my Ambien.   And the dude next to me had a cough that woke me up every time I dozed off. It was godawful.   So I arrived at 10AM at SFO, went through the whole immigration and luggage and taxi riggamarole, unpacked, then got dumped by my boyfriend at about 2PM, drank black coffee like it was water until about 8PM, and then fell into bed and slept 16 hours. It was not one of my better days.  

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5938 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
Has anyone else done these flights before in economy class

Many, many, many times  
Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
is it really as miserable as it sounds?

IMHO No. I also fly Australia-Europe a lot which is basically a 24 hour journey including a 14 hour sector so I am probably much more used to flying such distances than you are, but in all honesty I think you will find that it goes faster than you expect it to.

I've commented to other people, and they've agreed with me, that it doesn't feel like there is much difference between an 8 hour flight and a 14 hour flight. There comes a point in time when it all blurs into one.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised to find that the flight will go faster than you expect.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
What's the meal service like

Good!

You are served dinner after departure and breakfast prior to arrival.

In addition snack bags are distributed that contain some snack foods to keep you going throughout the flight. These contain things such as cookies and potato chips that you can snack on at your leisure.

If you are on a refurbished 747 then there is also a snack bar located at the rear of the aircraft that is stocked with more cookies etc and also fresh fruit. You can help yourself to anything from there throughout the flight.

Additional drinks and snacks will also be proactively offered by the crew throughout the flight (every hour) and also available on request.

To be honest, if you go hungry on QF then it is your fault!

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
How long does it stay dark outside during the return flight?

What time of year are you travelling?

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
Am I still going to arrive at the TBIT

Yes.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
WN's got a nonstop flight to MKE leaving at 8:55 AM. Would I have enough time to clear customs, transfer terminals to check in, and then make it over to that flight?

I wouldn't do it myself. You might make it, but it would be a rush.


I hope that you have a good time in Brisbane, it will be a wonderful city to be on exchange in. May I ask which school you are going to?



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User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Just to echo Ryanair Guru

I fly to Australia from the UK at least once a year, and I always fly QF ....so you've picked a good airline to go with for a start. 22 hours+ in Y I find passes very quickly

Inflight service is very good, and like the previous post says, if you go hungry on a QF flight, it's your fault!  

If you're not used to really long flights, stick to water and juice as much as possible in between meals, as it will help keep you hydrated during the long flight. But every 30-45 mins they'll come round with a tray of drinks during the night sectors. Plenty of IFE to keep you going, if you can catch a few hours sleep so much the better too.

One other thing to note, as you are flying LAX-SYD-BNE, once you've clearing immigration in SYD, you will be able to make use of the QF transfer from the International to the Domestic terminal. You will have to collect your bags at SYD, but as you come out of the arrivals door, follow the signs to the right and follow a walkway down to the domestic transfer gate, you can re-check in your luggage and they bus you airside across the airport to the domestic terminal (it's free but only available I think to QF customers). More details are on the Qantas.com website if you need it, under the Airport section. I flew to LHR-SYD-MEL this year, I could have taken the direct flight but wanted to rack up a few more miles and save my friends having to come to MEL at 5am to meet me, so I took the option of going via SYD and I used this transfer.....typically Qantas and things Australian ...it worked very well.

Enjoy your time in Australia, it's a lovely country with some great people.

Incidentally if you are staying in BNE to study and get a bit of time off and the chance, I would strongly recommend a trip (1 flight per day on Qantaslink from BNE) to Longreach QLD, and a visit to the Qantas Founders Museum. The museum is next door to the terminal, and there's a motel across the road. Fly up one day and back the next. Well worth a trip, loads of historical stuff there, plus a 707 and 747 you can have a guided tour over from top to bottom.


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

I certainly agree with the idea of a sleeping pill. Ambien will make it much more likely that you sleep. Another alternative is Halcion. It isn't as popular these days because it tends to give you a bit of amnesia. Ambien does too, but not as much. Amnesia can be a good thing. If you don't remember how uncomfortable you were, then it didn't happen. All benzodiazepines do that to some extent. Sometimes they are used in medical procedures (like a colonoscopy) so you remember nothing about it. It may have been painful, but I have no idea because I remember nothing.

I once took a Halcion on a trip AKL-SFO-RNO. I usually go via LAX so someone asked me if SFO was easier. I had to admit I had no memory of being in SFO one hour earlier. Spooky, but if it erases a bad memory then I am happy!


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7271 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1413 times:

I would suggestion some good old Benadryl if you want to take something to fall alseep and not some perscription pills you've never taken before. You never know how those pills will affect you and the last place you want to try them out is on a 747 on a 14hr flight.

I flew LAX-AKL and SYD-LAX in 2003. LAX-AKL in coach, In a middle seat too! I had no issues it was about 13hrs and I slept for 7 of them. Even in 2003 the IFE was good. Really you depart at night and arrive during the morning so just treat it has sleeping overnight try your best to sleep so when you arrive in the morning you are good to go. As for the flight back wo cares right now. That's something you can worry about when its time to come back. Figure out where you want to travel and what you want to see down there.

The flight back will be more difficult to sleep on since you arrive in LA when your body will say its time to sleep. If you can't get any sleep on the arrival just stay awake as long as possible the day of arrival and get to bed at a normal US time. You should be alright in day or two.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Quoting cofannyc (Reply 1):
But with that massive time change, your body will be messed up no matter what you do. I've tried everything on AUS-USA flights and it still takes days to recover.

Time diffference is only 6 hours (ignoring the international date line which doesn't affect jetlag), the same as JFK-FRA, and much less than the 9 hour difference between the west coast and most of Europe.


User currently offlineHOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

The longer the flight, the better! But really, it depends more on your attitude and outlook when you climb on-board. If you think it will be an endless, boring flight, it will likely be an endless, boring flight. But if you look forward to the meal service, ability to read and watch a movie or 3, and doze off, then you will be fine. You're flying halfway across the world, in half a day. Don't let that amazing reality slip your mind. I do these long-haul flights all the time, and your enjoyment level depends on your ability to entertain yourself, and appreciate how lucky you are to be up there, in the air. Enjoy Australia, it is beyond awesome!


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Quoting aklrno (Reply 6):
I certainly agree with the idea of a sleeping pill.

Slight side-track: I always get irritated at people who tell me they'd "rather do it the natural way."

You mean take a balsa wood raft across the pacific for weeks to months so that you can adjust to the time change gradually?

There are very few activities quite as unnatural as flying in a jet airplane. I think these people forget that there was no such thing as jet-lag until there were...jets.  


User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2465 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Thanks for the replies guys! That's definitely answered most of my questions.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
I seem to recall you are a moderate-to-large man, around 5'10" to 6', with an athletic build, no? You'll be somewhat uncomfortable if I'm correct. My suggestion is to visit your doctor and ask for a prescription for a sleeping pill.

Ha, yeah you're right about that. On my last few TATL flights I wasn't able to get much sleep because it was a little cramped and then the flight usually left in the early afternoon so I wasn't too tired until we got there. I never really considered getting a prescription because I figured I'd just stick with Nyquil. That seems to work a lot better for me than Unisom.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
But I'm a window man through-and-through.

Same here, and I've already got 54K reserved for that flight.  
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):

What time of year are you travelling?

I'll be returning in late June.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
May I ask which school you are going to?

I'll be at the University of Queensland.

Quoting n729pa (Reply 5):
One other thing to note, as you are flying LAX-SYD-BNE, once you've clearing immigration in SYD, you will be able to make use of the QF transfer from the International to the Domestic terminal.

I guess I should've been more clear, but I'm actually staying in Sydney for four days before going onto Brisbane. We're having our "orientation" for the study abroad program there.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 11):
I never really considered getting a prescription because I figured I'd just stick with Nyquil. That seems to work a lot better for me than Unisom.

Get generic chlorpheniramine. That's what's in "UNISOM." Generic "BENADRYL" (diphenhydramine) is the same as "NYTOL."

But seriously, if a young adult patient of mine with no history of drug abuse or drug-seeking behavior came to me and asked for some sleeping pills for a transpacific flight, I'd write for them.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 11):
I guess I should've been more clear, but I'm actually staying in Sydney for four days before going onto Brisbane. We're having our "orientation" for the study abroad program there.

Go to Bondi Beach. It really has to be seen to be believed.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
1.) Has anyone else done these flights before in economy class and is it really as miserable as it sounds?

Done the trip 10 times, 5 going west and 5 east, been on AC, UA, CA, NZ and QF. The first flight was tough but it gets easier every time and QF is a good choice for it.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
2.) What's the meal service like, especially on the LAX-SYD flight? Because of how late it leaves I wasn't sure if they do dinner/supper or just wait to give out breakfast before landing.

2 meals a dinner and a breakfast, QF IIRC give you a snack pack and a comfort kit.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Now, an interesting quandry: whether to get a window or an aisle. On departure from LAX, you will take off almost due west and you pass over the beach and head out to ocean within 60 seconds of rotating. And that is the last land you will see until about 5-10 minutes prior to landing (you usually leave after dark, anyway). That said, those ten minutes of approach are pretty fantastic if you're on the side that happens to get the tour of Botany Bay and the Harbor Bridge and the Opera House...

For the good view get a seat on the left side of the plane because the best view if the flight lands on 16R is on the left. If it comes in on 34L you are SOL but the view on a south approach into SYD is not to be missess

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 11):
I guess I should've been more clear, but I'm actually staying in Sydney for four days before going onto Brisbane. We're having our "orientation" for the study abroad program there.

Be sure to visit MEL at some point, its the best city in Australia  .



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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8188 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Envious! I was born in Sydney.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
1.) Has anyone else done these flights before in economy class and is it really as miserable as it sounds?

Nothing miserable about going halfway round the world in a few hours in a super comfortable seat with hundreds of movies and two good meals and all that time for reading, napping, thinking etc.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Slight side-track: I always get irritated at people who tell me they'd "rather do it the natural way."

And I always get irritated at doctors, especially American doctors, falling over themselves to medicate every single thing. Why is the natural way automatically inferior to a chemically-induced medicated way? How about having a full day before you board the flight so you're naturally sleepy and just drift off? This isn't a five-and-a-half hour transatlantic where by the end of the second movie it's breakfast time and you're landing. If you stay awake for hours after takeoff and the dinner service is long gone and you do watch a second movie, at the end of that you'll still have ten hours to go, there is no chance you won't drop off for a good few hours sleep. In addition I would certainly bear in mind another poster's advice that if you've never taken sleep medication (let alone the prescription stuff, sheesh!), a plane ride is the last place you want to start experimenting. You'll be tired from a busy day and the excitement of setting off on your adventure, the plane is comfortable and I promise you'll get a good sleep and arrive refreshed.

Enjoy Qantas and Australia, I am sure you will!



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17143 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1248 times:

Sorry for stealing your thread, but how bad is the jetlag when flying to SYD? In August I will fly LAX-SFO-SYD on UA, and because it is winter in Australia at that time of the year, the whole 15 hour flight down to SYD will be in darkness. Is the flight to SYD worse than the one back?


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
Sorry for stealing your thread, but how bad is the jetlag when flying to SYD? In August I will fly LAX-SFO-SYD on UA, and because it is winter in Australia at that time of the year, the whole 15 hour flight down to SYD will be in darkness. Is the flight to SYD worse than the one back?

I never had an issue going there because it is an all night flight and you get there in the morning. The key is to stay up for the day when you are there and go to bed when its night in Australia, if you go to sleep (outside of perhaps a short nap) then you will likely face some jet lag.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5938 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 11):
I'll be at the University of Queensland.

Wonderful campus. I'm sure that you will have a fantastic time there!

Are you staying in res or renting by yourself?



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7271 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):

The arrival in the morning is key. As someone else pointed out if you ignore the date change its only a 6 hour time difference! Just don't go to sleep that morning and stay awake until a decent bed time and you should be good to go.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17143 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 16):
Quoting flymia (Reply 18):

Flight arrives at 6:25am, so it will be a long first day.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 993 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Now, an interesting quandry: whether to get a window or an aisle. On departure from LAX, you will take off almost due west and you pass over the beach and head out to ocean within 60 seconds of rotating. And that is the last land you will see until about 5-10 minutes prior to landing (you usually leave after dark, anyway). That said, those ten minutes of approach are pretty fantastic if you're on the side that happens to get the tour of Botany Bay and the Harbor Bridge and the Opera House...

I always opt for a window if for no other reason than to have something to lean against while sleeping on long flights. You also don't have to worry about being woken by others heading to the lavatory. On my flight to SYD, we opted for the port side, and were treated to unbelievable views of Darling Harbour, etc., as we approached from north to south. Naturally, the approach is a total crap shoot, but you'll see very little from an aisle seat.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Have a lot of fun in Oz. It's a lot like I wish America was. It's a lot like what America wishes it was. But with adorable accents, driving on the wrong side, and some of the most peculiar and beautiful geography you've ever seen. Oh, and try the kangaroo and crocodile. Both very healthy meats (no, I'm not joking).

I couldn't agree more. I paid a visit several years ago and unhesitatingly would go back at a moment's notice. I'd consider moving there under the right circumstances. Kangaroo meat is fantastic (if you like venison and other mildly-gamey meats, it's a no-brainer) and croc meat, "tastes like chicken."


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