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Any Underserved Markets?  
User currently offlineAirStein3 From United States of America, joined Dec 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Hey Guys,

I was wondering if there are any underserved markets out there that you guys are aware of. Any kind of suggestion is much appreciated  

Thanks,

Adam

[Edited 2013-12-25 15:32:29]

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User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

International long haul in the US: San Diego is probably the most underserved market. San Diego County is the second most populous in California, yet we didn't have any long haul flights a couple of years ago! Now only BA & JL serve SAN. I think we'll see more int'l long haul flights as the 787 & A350 become more popular, their superior short field performance and efficiency will make SAN a very attractive market.

User currently offlinedeltaSEAalsaka From United States of America, joined Dec 2013, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

It is sorta far out there but both MCI and STL could use more service they both have flights to major hubs on mainline but all flights to most other outstations are on RJs. The only airline with a large presence at both is WN but if you have a Ryanair type airline it would be good competition.


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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Yeah ! I don't know much about the US, but out of Saskatoon, SK. there should be a gap to YUL for example and airports other than Pearson in the GTA. On the other side of the Atlantic i think that there should be more connections intra-North Africa, going from Egypt to Morocco and in between.

[Edited 2013-12-25 16:40:25]

User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

It really depends on who you ask! Everyone feels there airport deserves more service. Very subjective.


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User currently offlineWayfarer515 From Honduras, joined Dec 2013, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

Name any country in Central America that isn't SAL and there you have plenty of underserved and if I may say poorly served markets as well.

You cannot imagine how people in Central America hate to make all of their flights to the USA via SAL, not that we have anything against them but it is just ludicrous sometimes to jump and wait 4 hours for what would normally be a direct flight.

Any airline that makes it possible to make direct flights from SJO, GUA, TGU, SAP, LCE and even RTB to destinations in the USA will find a real gold mine in there, especially if it is a LCC.

Although NK did not do so great initially on its flights from FLL-SAP I think they are much better now, many people even travel by land from TGU to SAP just to travel on cheap flights to FLL.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

GSO Greensboro is probably one of the most under served...


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

OSL is still under served on longhaul

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 1):
International long haul in the US: San Diego is probably the most underserved market.

Getting another, and possibly longer runway at SAN is still a critical elelment to this one. Not sure how it will be done with CEQA and associated NIMBY actions.

In the instance of other airports nameingly SLC, their lack of gatespeace and a suitable FIS facility have hurt them over the past 2 decades.



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User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

I know I may be biased, but I believe TPA is undeserved. The region is the largest in the U.S. without a hub or focus city, which could be a result of it. The economy is improving in the tampa bay area, the second largest metro in Florida and I believe this undeserved status could be short lived. International traffic has been a downfall, and still is, but it is improving, with the ambitions of Lopano. TPA finally got a connection to a Caribbean/central american/south american hub (outside of U.S.) with CM, and so far from reports, they are exchanging on some round trips the 738 for the 737-700 due to higher demand, so increasing frequency from 4x weekly would not be a surprise in the near future. Edelweiss has increased their flying from the get go, originally scheduled as one weekly seasonally, to now being a year round, and starting this spring twice weekly, and hopefully continuing twice weekly in the winter. Flights to cuba have taken off drastically (up to 11x weekly this winter) although that is not typical travel service. BA has grown at TPA, and flies year round 777 to LGW daily, but TPA lacks a connecting hub in Europe, and FRA seems like a target. I love speculating, but I would be curious about BA switching to LHR on the 787, especially as the route has matured, and could capture international connections. Although it would not look too good when they reduce international seats, how about BA even going more than daily from LHR, or going LHR + LGW, or even adding MAN, something like 4x weekly, in addition to LHR.

As far as domestically, west coast from TPA is severely lacking. Daily route to LAX on DL, but that is it. No flights to SFO and SEA, and those have been pointed out as two of the largest routes without any service. LGA has been expanding recently from TPA although I'd expect more from a fairly decent business route. But I believe one of the biggest holes that could be tapped into is Canadian travel from TPA. St. Pete/Clearwater beaches are among the nicest, Busch Gardens is a treasure to be discovered by tourists and the cruise travel business is expanding, yet TPA only supports minor flying to YYZ year round, and the other seasonal routes are mainly once and twice weekly, and those are (YUL, YOW, and YHZ). YUL is by Brookings data, the third largest international market from TPA, yet it is flown by AC twice weekly seasonally. YOW is roughly the exact same case. G4 has mentioned flying to Canada from PIE and I wish them the best of luck if they do so. Also, PIE is seeing record numbers for passenger traffic, as they continue to expand their.

Things could change quickly, with WN rumored to release their first international schedule this upcoming month, and TPA has been rumored a candidate. With the integration of the WN buying of FL, a clearer picture of TPA's picture could appear whether or not it emerges as a focus city. TPA-MSP gained two more carriers this peak travel season winter-spring, and now has four, but this was previously as undeserved route given the connections between these two cities. TPA-BOS just shocks me how B6 manages to fly three daily for most of the year, and in peak season, fly 4-5 daily. I would expect much more and maybe competiton from DL or NK would awaken this in the future?

Other regions that are underserved: SAN, STL, MCI, SMF, PIT, CLE, MKE

I would have added FLL, but suddenly, it seems to be overserved with B6, NK, and now WN announcing major expansions. But SAN and TPA stick out, along with SMF, in terms of where the regions are heading. These northern and midwest regions seem all but expanding, so I don't believe an up and coming airline will be attracted to a region heading south.


User currently offlineDeltaXNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

SAT----huge city, 2nd largest city in Texas after Houston. However, it has a relatively small airport.

JAX----largest city in Florida, JAX is not much bigger than MSY though.

Others include IND, CMH, OMA, AUS, and SJC


User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 10):
JAX----largest city in Florida, JAX is not much bigger than MSY though

I was just thinking about JAX, although calling it the largest city in Florida is relatively deceiving of the overall population the airport serves in the region. It's population is so large because the city limit encompasses essentially the whole region compared to a place such as Tampa which has three cities tying into the region and airport, and suburbs outside of the city limit. But I do agree with the fact that it is underserved. I'm shocked that an east coast city in Florida such as it has such little service to NYC.


User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Quoting deltaSEAalsaka (Reply 2):
The only airline with a large presence at both is WN but if you have a Ryanair type airline it would be good competition.

Where's NK when you need it!


Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 3):
out of Saskatoon, SK. there should be a gap to YUL for example and airports other than Pearson in the GTA.

Any plans for WS to base some of their Dash 8s there?


Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 3):
On the other side of the Atlantic i think that there should be more connections intra-North Africa, going from Egypt to Morocco and in between.

Sounds like a perfect market for 3O, or FZ with multistop services between DXB and Morocco.


Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 5):
Any airline that makes it possible to make direct flights from SJO, GUA, TGU, SAP, LCE and even RTB to destinations in the USA will find a real gold mine in there, especially if it is a LCC.

NK already serves some of these markets, maybe the post-merger WN will expand there.


Quoting Mortyman (Reply 7):
OSL is still under served on longhaul

Don't worry, DY will take care of that!


Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
Getting another, and possibly longer runway at SAN is still a critical elelment to this one. Not sure how it will be done with CEQA and associated NIMBY actions.

It's not gonna happen any time soon. SAN's best hope is the better short field performance of the 787 & A350 will change the status quo.


Quoting TPAfan (Reply 9):
I would have added FLL, but suddenly, it seems to be overserved with B6, NK, and now WN announcing major expansions.

The most surprising news out of FLL is DY serving OSL, CPH, ARN, and LGW from July 2014! I hope they'll add SAN as their 787 fleet grows.   


User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Quoting deltaSEAalsaka (Reply 2):
It is sorta far out there but both MCI and STL

MCI is not underserved... WN has so much capacity at MCI, largely due to the Wright Amendment and that causes lower fares, and too much capacity. Once this goes away, I think MCI will see more mainline flying from UA/AA/US and less flying from WN as they will no longer need MCI as a stop for their flights. DL already has a decent number of flights, many mainline, and I doubt that will change very much.

UA I think will bring mainline back to IAH and maybe EWR or IAD but probably not both. Likely a 50/50 mix of mainline to regional when you look at all departures.

AA/US once merged I think will reduce some RJ flying, but not eliminate it. I can see more mainline on MCI-ORD, and DFW, and perhaps PHL. DCA I doubt will see more service after the merger.

WN I see a reduction of 15-25 flights a day after the W.A. goes away in 2014, which would bring MCI station to a right size for them in terms of pricing and capacity control.

The wildcard in MCI is F9. Frontier, with all this change nonsense (yes it is needed) is really unpredictable. F9 has gone from almost 50 departures a day down to 4 a day. (daily flights only, they do have non-daily service to DCA occasionally) If F9 were to pull out of the market, I think you will see a better chance of a large up-guage at all carriers in MCI.

UA will have to change something just like DL did once they begin the retirement of the 50 seater fleet. When DL did that, MCI got many mainline flights, and UA could do the same if/when they have the spare frames.


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

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Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 10):
SAT----huge city, 2nd largest city in Texas after Houston. However, it has a relatively small airport.

Its a distant 3rd in metro population from Dallas and Houston.

That being said it is the largest unserved domestic market from BOS. Probably a bit too small for a B6 A320 but they do fly the E190 on BOS-AUS at times so maybe that will be the right plane.

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 13):
WN I see a reduction of 15-25 flights a day after the W.A. goes away in 2014, which would bring MCI station to a right size for them in terms of pricing and capacity control.

I can see them trimming some DAL-MCI flights but that's about it. A route like BOS-MCI is right-sized for the market. Also, did a check of current through flights for BOS-DAL and its only via STL and HOU.


User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 14):
I can see them trimming some DAL-MCI flights but that's about it.

I see more than that. They will be able to route passengers back through DAL from other cities that currently stop in MCI. MCI is not properly set up for connection traffic. Yes, WN does have a bridge connecting their two gate areas, but too often people do not pay attention and leave security anyways. Until a new terminal is built in MCI I do not see WN expanding at all, and shrinking some flying to relieve gate space for there flights with better performance. I still think 15-25 flights will be cut.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 9):
I know I may be biased, but I believe TPA is undeserved.

Oh please.....


SRQ for sure

Utterly shocking what they see now vs 25-30 years ago.



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User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):
SRQ for sure

Totally! Also, PBI has seen some reductions in recent years.


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 15):
I see more than that. They will be able to route passengers back through DAL from other cities that currently stop in MCI. MCI is not properly set up for connection traffic. Yes, WN does have a bridge connecting their two gate areas, but too often people do not pay attention and leave security anyways. Until a new terminal is built in MCI I do not see WN expanding at all, and shrinking some flying to relieve gate space for there flights with better performance. I still think 15-25 flights will be cut.

Here's an important question - do you know the ratio of O+D to connecting passengers for WN at MCI?


User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 18):
Here's an important question - do you know the ratio of O+D to connecting passengers for WN at MCI?

I do not know for a fact the exact numbers, but I would assume at least 70% O/D maybe 80%. WN is the primary connecting carrier for MCI, UA and DL do connect some passengers at MCI as does AC but the numbers are minimal. UA connects less then 20 per day through MCI.

WN had to build a bridge connecting their two gate areas due to their connecting traffic, as passengers would have to leave security and re-clear security at MCI if they had to change gates to the other secure area.


User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 12):
The most surprising news out of FLL is DY serving OSL, CPH, ARN, and LGW from July 2014! I hope they'll add SAN as their 787 fleet grows.

Those aren't your stereotypical first long haul flights, but fitting it into the flight network from MIA, it doesn't look that out of place. I'm still shocked when looking at the fares from FLL to those places, especially OSL, with rock bottom fares of about 250 USD one way in some cases. If they expect to continue to order/lease more planes, and plan a U.S. expansion, then seeing SAN in the future wouldn't be shocking. But I don't know about their long haul plans outside of the U.S. For the U.S., I think LAS, MSP, and SEA are among the first on the radar. I would wish for TPA, but don't see it happening in any circumstance.


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 19):
I do not know for a fact the exact numbers, but I would assume at least 70% O/D maybe 80%. WN is the primary connecting carrier for MCI, UA and DL do connect some passengers at MCI as does AC but the numbers are minimal. UA connects less then 20 per day through MCI.

Agree with you with WN being the only airline that really connects at MCI.

I just see the cuts at MCI being done to give space for DAL expansion rather than right size the MCI. STL should have the same thing happen.

What specific routes or frequencies would you think be cut besides DAL flights at MCI? MDW or BWI. I cannot see LAX BOS ABQ or any Florida flying being cut.

I live near BOS and had to go to MCI a couple years back when there was no nonstop service by WN so I've taken a bit of interest in this. I was surprised at how much of a ghost town of the airport was on a Sunday afternoon.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

PIT, TPA, nor MCI is under served... I'm sure they would love moredestinationsbut you can get dang near anywhere from those airports nonstop or 1 stop. And there are plenty of nonstop routes from those airports... There is very little 2-3 stop flights out of those airports...


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User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 21):
What specific routes or frequencies would you think be cut besides DAL flights at MCI? MDW or BWI. I cannot see LAX BOS ABQ or any Florida flying being cut.
Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 21):
I just see the cuts at MCI being done to give space for DAL expansion rather than right size the MCI. STL should have the same thing happen.

I see maybe 2 or 3 DAL cuts, also losing nonstop to some TX markets, like AUS. I also see maybe 1 or 2 flight cut to MDW. The biggest cuts I think will be in the p2p flying. like BNA or STL, and maybe PHX. IND seems like a losing deal too but I do not know what the margins are like on this route. SJC is another iffy route. LAX and BOS will be fine, as they are the only carrier with nonstop BOS, and LAX only has DL as competition. I see WN perhaps cutting these 15 flights not as solely losing nonstop service out of MCI but losing frequency. Also some of these flights may move to ICT or OMA.

BWI is very profitable for WN at MCI, and I only see status quo or an increase in flying this route.

MCI, for WN mainly is a bit over served. During peak travel times, it is right sized, but the average day at MCI there is too much capacity for WN. I hope I am wrong about the 15-25 flight loss for the sake of the WN employees, but I do not see them sustaining their current schedule much longer.


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (7 months 6 days ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 12):
The most surprising news out of FLL is DY serving OSL, CPH, ARN, and LGW from July 2014!

Not surprising when you consider how huge the local market is. More people fly Miami-Scandinavia in one month than do San Diego-Scandinavia in one year. Miami-Gothenberg is a larger market than Tampa-Paris, Philadelpha-Zurich or San Diego-Rome. I think many were surprised that FLL was chosen over MIA, but given how DY has aggressive plans to expanding the market past just OSL/ARN/CPH, it makes sense. LGW is just the first of many.

I don't think one should take DY's entry into FLL as a sign it will explore secondary markets like SAN or TPA. It won't. It's business model relying heavily on local tourism traffic means it really only has three possible destinations left in the States - BOS, ORD and IAD.



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Palermo in Sicily, I think the only long haul flight is an A330 2 Times a week over the summer to New York. (Not even sure if it still running) They can do better then that. Capital of Sicily, Economic heart of the Island.. Lots of tourist destinations dotted all alongside it as well as the city itself. If they don't get their finger out Catania as a city will trump them eventually. The Airport already does.

[Edited 2013-12-26 04:39:59]

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3722 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

My hometown airport, FWA, is well-served to most areas. Good examples include Western US via DFW (AA) and AZA (G4), G4 to SFB, PIE, and PGD in Florida, DTW and MSP (DL), ORD (on both UA and AA), and of course the world's single largest hub: DL at ATL. We even have nonstop G4 flights in the summer to MYR, a rarity for a city of FWA's size.

What is missing is a northeastern hub such as EWR, PHL, or IAD, but FWA is currently offering an incentive package for such a hub. Also missing since 2008 is LAS, but with the success of the AZA relaunch (G4 traffic at FWA was up 40+% in the first full month), I suspect that as soon as LAS gets Airbuses, G4 will relaunch that too. DEN is also missing, but is a lower priority than EWR/PHL/IAD or LAS. Even then, DFW and MSP serve many westbound connections from FWA just as well as DEN.

As for IND being underserved: They said in the BAA days (2004-05) that they were underserved even with the unsustainable flight levels of the time. And much of IND's traditional fare-seeker pax have been stolen as of late by expensive gas plus much higher IND fares that's making people choose their hometown airports over driving 2+ hours to IND. (CVG in particular has benefited from IND's troubles.) That said, I do see a BA flight to LHR on the 787 plus SEA on DL with their SEA buildup in the foreseeable future for IND.

[Edited 2013-12-26 07:51:20]

[Edited 2013-12-26 07:51:49]


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User currently offlinea380787 From Canada, joined Jul 2013, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

My personal vote goes to NYC-YVR. Large ethnic market, and in winter it's only 2x daily (CX from JFK and AC from EWR - summer add UA+DL) And both schedules are rather poorly timed - either 7am out of EWR or 10pm out of JFK (and landing at 1:30am).

As a metro, BOS is really underserved - a metro of 8M with rather high per capita income, and you have 1 flight a day to Asia (add PEK soon) and none to South America. It's also the largest metro without a legacy airline hubbing. As least European flights are plentiful.

On the flip side of the coin, the most over-served one in the US relative to its O&D may just be CLT.


User currently offlinecle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

CLE-Europe and CLE-SAN


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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):
Oh please.....


SRQ for sure

Utterly shocking what they see now vs 25-30 years ago.

Perhaps it should push for nonstop service to PHL. There is ILG-TPA, TTN-TPA and ACY-TPA, the reverse would be PHL-SRQ.

SRQ has service to DCA and LGA but none to EWR or PHL. PHL is more central between DCA and LGA, than BWI or EWR, and not using a carrier slot.


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting a380787 (Reply 27):
As a metro, BOS is really underserved - a metro of 8M with rather high per capita income, and you have 1 flight a day to Asia (add PEK soon) and none to South America. It's also the largest metro without a legacy airline hubbing. As least European flights are plentiful.

Underserved is a tough call. Here's 2011 numbers

Total International Passengers (BOS only) - 3962454 from Massport.com
Total International O+D (inlcudes PVD/MHT)- 5338728 from Brookings Report

Over 1.3 million international passengers connected at various USA hubs. Also, connections in BOS are included in the Massport international numbers (example Someone who flew ORD-BOS-LHR counts as an international passenger) so that 1.3 million number could be closer to 1.75.

I think these numbers show that international airlines can come in and steal some of this traffic with their hubs such as CM, EK, and TK will do. There's not a lot of holes where a non-stop flight is needed for a particular destination. Service to global hubs are to me more important for BOS. Two exceptions: The PEK and NRT flights are mostly aimed at O+D traffic with a handful of connections mostly within their respective countries. The PEK flight would be a different story if CA was running it. The one main underserved destination is a flight on an airline with a mega Asia hub - IMO this is KE starting BOS-ICN. You could make a case for CX/HKG or MU/PVG. With either of these pieces, one could theoretically get to the majority of the world with one-stop from Logan. That's a better sign to me whether a destination like BOS is overserved or underserved.


User currently offlinerosskin92 From United States of America, joined Dec 2013, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

I've been a lurker, but I created an account just to post here  

MKE.

What annoys me here in Chicago is that they keep talking about that godawful and unlikely South Suburban Airport in Peotone, in the middle of nowhere. Plus the population down there (catchment area) is small. I would rather drive to RFD than Peotone, its closer.

They continue to ignore the potential to market MKE for more traffic, especially since the loss of Midwest and WN (They have down sized havent they?) . MKE has capacity, and runway for some longe

GYY is in that boat too, its landlocked, but could relieve some of the ULCC traffic if MDW/ORD become full.

IND is another one. Could use some long haul. Especially with the State of Indiana growing at the rate it is... blowing away Illinois at times.


User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 32, posted (7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

To no surprise, I'll vote for PVD. Top 40 MSA in the U.S. Yet only top 65 in enplanements due to leakage to BOS. PVD-ORD/RSW/PBI are underserved and a case could be made that PVD could support nonstop service to Houston, Dallas, Las Vagas, Phoenix, and Denver, and on the right sized aircraft, PIT, JAX, RDU, and ORF.

Just one person's opinion of course...

[Edited 2013-12-26 08:36:58]

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

I would like to see more out of YXU for obvious reasons. A CMA of 500,000 people should have more than a flight to ORD. I think that a direct flight to NYC would do well.


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User currently offlinerosskin92 From United States of America, joined Dec 2013, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Quoting pvd757 (Reply 32):

If PVD marketed its self as an alternative to expanding BOS (an extremely touchy issue in Boston), it would have major success. Mainly because the Boston residents will fight to the death to prevent Logan from expanding... they have done it numerious times over the years. When they wanted to take out a 50 ft section of a park and fly lot for a Big Dig ramp, the owner of the lot mobilized the citizens of East Boston under the guise of the Big Dig being "airport expansion" . It took a few years to sort it out.

MHT has done the same in its own way, and its grown tremendiously in the past 10-15 years.


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

I really do think B6 could tap the market from BOS-Central America with 1-2x weekly flights. BOS-GUA is the biggest market to Central America if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong though. A few new airplanes are coming next year and aside from the new JFK-California and BOS-California mint service I don't know what they will do. They will use their A321's to reduce frequency in JFK but keep capacity.


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 36, posted (7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

Europe to South America

It is often cheaper to connect in the US than to fly straight to a South American hub or destination. With TAM's upcoming alliance switch, the continued lack of investment into the airports of the region and Iberia's failure to capitalise on the location of its hub à la TAP, the situation will only become worse.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 37, posted (7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

Quoting a380787 (Reply 27):
My personal vote goes to NYC-YVR. Large ethnic market,

What ethnic market are you referring to between NYC and YVR? "Ethnic" normally refers to immigrant communities and I'm not aware of large numbers of New Yorkers immigrating to YVR, or vice versa.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 38, posted (6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 722 times:

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 10):
JAX----largest city in Florida, JAX is not much bigger than MSY though.

Are you looking at land area or population?


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