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Poll - U.S. Launch Customer For 777X  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6422 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 710 times:

I decided to do a poll on who do you think would be the U.S. launch customer for the 777X.

I personally think it will be DL. While it has become a widely-held belief that DL is more interested in older aircraft, this is really over-exaggerated here, and I still believe that DL is indeed looking at the 777X.

UA is a possibility, but they have 35 A350-1000s on order, with no plans to cancel that order, despite rumors by some users here at A.net and FT. The fact is that the decision to upgrade the order to the A350-1000 and increase it to 35 aircraft was done post-merger by the so-called "pro-Boeing" PMCO leadership, which many fail to accept. UA wouldn't have done so if they intended on canceling the order. A 777X order shouldn't be ruled out in the future, but UA doesn't really have an immediate need for them due to the A350-1000 order.

AA is unlikely, since they have brand new 777-300ERs and are now run by US Airways' management who is undeniably pro-Airbus.

So, who do you think it will be?


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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 649 times:

If any USA airline buys the plane, I think UA will be the first, followed by AA. I just don't see Delta purchasing new mega-planes.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6422 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 644 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 1):
If any USA airline buys the plane, I think UA will be the first, followed by AA. I just don't see Delta purchasing new mega-planes.

Why? DL has some 744s that it will need to replace soon. UA has already selected the A350-1000 as its 744 replacement, and AA has brand new 777-300ERs in service. Neither have an immediate need for the 777X as much as DL does. As I stated in my OP, the notion that DL only wants older aircraft is greatly exaggerated here at A.net, and in the end, I see DL buying the 777-9X as its 744 replacement.

[Edited 2014-01-06 21:13:32]


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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2928 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 609 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
DL has some 744s that it will need to replace soon. UA has already selected the A350-1000 as its 744 replacement, and AA has brand new 777-300ERs in service.

If there's one thing we've seen from the current DL management it's the tendency to purchase either second-hand, or purchase aircraft that are in their latter years of production. Instead of going directly for the 777X I can see DL picking up some 77Ws.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
AA is unlikely, since they have brand new 777-300ERs and are now run by US Airways' management who is undeniably pro-Airbus.

That's what they said about Jeff Smisek and yet you yourself even acknowledged that the "pro-Boeing PMCO management" upped an Airbus order. Even the PMDL management was assumed to be pro-Boeing, and it has ordered A330s and A321s.

I wouldn't rule out Doug Parker going to Boeing for a sweet deal, especially now that it'll be integrating a rather large Boeing fleet.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6422 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 587 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 3):
Even the PMDL management was assumed to be pro-Boeing, and it has ordered A330s and A321s.

Not necessarily true. Compared to UA, those who thought post-merger DL would only buy from Boeing was a very small group. Even today, quite a large number of users still believe that UA under CO management will buy from Boeing exclusively and will cancel the A350 order. Hardly any users here thought the same was true about post-merger DL.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 573 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I decided to do a poll on who do you think would be the U.S. launch customer for the 777X.

Why? You're looking for people to agree with you about Delta, and without reading further I know you will suggest Delta.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):

I personally think it will be DL.

No Way?!

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
DL is indeed looking at the 777X.

Well ya? Everyone is looking at the 777X even Southwest is. You would not be a good CEO to NOT look at every option. that doesn't mean they will get it, that doesn't mean they won't. Not hardly a good "Fact" to be using as your basis.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
"pro-Boeing" PMCO leadership

Regardless, it's a business decision.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
US Airways' management who is undeniably pro-Airbus.

Oh it can be denied...and who cares who is pro anything? It's all a business decision, you have to take out the emotion and the fan base of certain aircraft when making business decisions on aircraft purchases for what's right for their fleet.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
those who thought post-merger DL would only buy from Boeing was a very small group

That you were a part of. You were so hell bent on DL not buying the A321 and only going for the Boeing 739ER.

I honestly say it's a hard thing to tell. You posted valid reasons for each reason NOT to get it, so DL doesn't stand out to me any more then UA or AA would (including US into AA).

Alex



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 568 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
Compared to UA, those who thought post-merger DL would only buy from Boeing was a very small group.

Didn't you champion this group??  

Let's take a trip down memory lane and enjoy various quotes of yours from this thread:

Will Delta Consider The A321? (by American 767 Sep 26 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 11):
I wonder, why are Airbus fans thinking that DL is now forced to buy from Airbus just because they bought out NW? DL had a gentleman's agreement with Boeing


Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 75):
if DL does indeed consider a replacement for some of the 752s, it will likely be in the form of the 739ER, not the A321.


Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 143):
DL's gentleman's agreement is a much stronger reason to stick with Boeing than Richard Anderson's past NW experience with Airbus.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6422 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 561 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
Didn't you champion this group??

Yes, I did, but that doesn't change the fact that we were a far smaller group than those who believe UA will buy from Boeing exclusively.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2928 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 532 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 5):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I decided to do a poll on who do you think would be the U.S. launch customer for the 777X.

Why? You're looking for people to agree with you about Delta, and without reading further I know you will suggest Delta.

  Thank you.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
Didn't you champion this group??

Yes, I did, but that doesn't change the fact that we were a far smaller group than those who believe UA will buy from Boeing exclusively.

So...I don't understand.
1. What does the UA pro-Boeing group have to do with this?
2. Doesn't this post mean that you admit that you were wrong, and that as much as you wanted Delta to go with Boeing it went Airbus, and that while your scenario could happen, the scenario we've posted (Delta buying second-hand 77Ws instead) can happen?

Furthermore, what's the point of making a poll if we can't post our opinion without receiving a rebuttal of why we're wrong? To me, this poll is no different than the ballot used when the Austrians were asked to vote for the Anschluss:
Ballot

Substitute the question for "Who will be the US launch customer of the 77X?", Ja for "Delta", and Nein for "It's Delta, period".



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 462 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
Why? DL has some 744s that it will need to replace soon.
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 3):
If there's one thing we've seen from the current DL management it's the tendency to purchase either second-hand, or purchase aircraft that are in their latter years of production.

Of course, I have no expertise in this field - which has never stopped me from expressing an opinion - but my observation is that of einsteinboricua's (great name btw). Delta hasn't been at the forefront of ordering really big, really expensive new jets over the past few years and has been unique in loading up on used jets. yeah, it's bought some 330s recently, but nothing larger.

Ultimately, I think you have to look at the markets the USA airlines serve - which USA airline route really requires a jet as big as the 777X? The 777X is a 747 sized aircraft. It took AA 20 years to jump to a jet the size of the 77W. Unless AA's market share changes dramatically, I just don't believe AA needs a plane as big as the 777X. DL seems pretty happy with its 747s for the time being. UA, however, a year or so back limited operations of its 747s to SFO due to reliability issues if I recall right, which suggests UA's birds may need replacing soon. Yes, UA bought a bunch of 350s, which tempers my opinion, but the 350s aren't quite as big as the 774, so I believe UA could still fit a few 777Xs into its fleet.


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