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What Has Changed In Aviation In The Last 9 Years?  
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12404 posts, RR: 100
Posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1257 times:
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To celebrate my 9 years on a.net, I've decided to start a thread on what has changed in aviation in the last 9 years.

Some ideas:
9 years ago we were well into the introduction of 50 seat RJs into the US fleet. I find it ironic they are now being phased out.

9 years ago we were discussing threads on MD-80 re-engine (MD-80NEO if you will.)

9 years ago the ME3 were benign. IIRC, it was in 2005 when the discussions on EK started noting it would become huge (it was about 27% of its current size back in 2004). Recall it wasn't until 2008 that India became the #1 trade partner with the UAE.

The 77W was just entering service and exceeding its performance metrics, but there remained concern due to the 'huge unprecedented engines.' Because of said concerns and fleet 'top offs,' 77E deliveries were strong until 2007. And then they weren't...

In 2004, the A332 was in its stride. It wasn't until 2009 that efficiency improvements 'revitalized' the A333 sales (due to range improvements).

The 787 was still a concept called the 7E7. There was still debate on the sonic cruiser on a.net...

The A380 was under development with first flight over a year into the future and the A350 wasn't being considered as Airbus had just shelved a concept called the A305 (more 787 sized with much less CFRP).

It wouldn't be until July 2008 that carbon brakes made it to the 737NG in an industry now where the staff cannot even consider steel brakes...

Lightsaber


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User currently offlineroswell41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 764 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

The concept and growth of the ULCC in both Europe and the USA.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

Honestly I think you may as well ask what hasn't changed.


Dan  



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User currently offlinehomsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Thread starter):
The 787 was still a concept called the 7E7. There was still debate on the sonic cruiser on a.net...

The A380 was under development with first flight over a year into the future

Related to these, nine years ago people basically assumed that if a manufacturer stated a timeline for EIS of a new design, it would be pretty close to reality.

Now, the default assumption on a.net is that any timeline the manufacturer states needs to be lengthened by a few years.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 998 times:

DCA perimeter in 2005 - 12 slot pairs
United once daily to Denver
US Airways three times daily to Phoenix and once daily to Las Vegas
Frontier three times daily to Denver
Alaska twice daily to Seattle and once daily to Los Angeles
Delta once daily to Salt Lake City

DCA perimeter in 2014 - 20 slot pairs
Alaska Airlines 8 slots operating as 2x Seattle, 1x Los Angeles, 1x Portland, OR
American Airlines 2 slots operating as 1x Los Angeles
Delta Air Lines 4 slots operating as 2x Salt Lake City
Frontier Airlines 6 slots operating as 3x Denver
JetBlue Airways 2 slots operating as 1x San Juan
Southwest Airlines 2 slots operating as 1x Austin
United Airlines 4 slots operating as 1x Denver, 1x San Francisco
US Airways 10 slots operating as 3x Phoenix, 1x Las Vegas, 1x San Diego*
Virgin America 2 slots operating as 1x San Francisco

*note to above - the new AA/US, to be allowed their merger, agreed to give up a number of slot pairs at DCA, and of thes, they have stated that the DCA-SAN slot pair is among those that they intend to vacate. A good example of how slowly our government can do things.

And then over at LGA, DEN is still their only beyond perimeter destination, so nothing has changed there, and probably won't over the course of the next 9 years......


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Meanwhile, also just about 9 years ago, WN announced to the world that it is breaking its mold...... and will begin service to DEN. Pax traffic at DEN at the end of 2005 was some 43.4M. WN began service in Jan of 2006, and ever since, WN has replaced F9 as DEN's second largest carrier (after UA) as well as WN having the highest market share in quite a number of important markets to/from DEN. As of the end of 2013 (final numbers not in yet) it is estimated that DEN's pax traffic will be around some 53M. The Southwest Effect?

That's all that I can think of for now......

 


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12404 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 970 times:
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Quoting point2point (Reply 4):
Pax traffic at DEN at the end of 2005 was some 43.4M. WN began service in Jan of 2006, and ever since, WN has replaced F9 as DEN's second largest carrier (after UA)

What amazes me though is that that outside of DEN, WN hasn't been changing the US aviation landscape as it did before 2004.


Lightsaber



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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 947 times:

January 2005 was the last time I got a complementary meal in economy on a domestic flight on UA. At that point they had gone to BOB on most routes already, but they still had meals on flights beyond a certain length so I got one on IAD-SMF. By the end of that year complementary meals were a thing of the past on everyone but CO.

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6897 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 854 times:

The major thing is the way individual airlines create their own alliances and agreements regardless of alliance persuasion.

User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2944 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 813 times:
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In January 2005, United Airlines was the only U.S. based airline to fly nonstop from the US to Mainland China, from San Francisco to Shanghai and Beijing, and Chicago to Shanghai and Beijing. That changed in May 2005, when American Airlines launched its first non-stop service ever to China, from Chicago to Shanghai, followed by Continental Airlines in June 2005, when they started flying Newark-Beijing.

Fast forward to 2014, we have the following (excluding intra-Asia):

American Airlines:

Chicago-Shanghai
Chicago-Beijing
Los Angeles-Shanghai
and soon Dallas-Shanghai

United Airlines:

Chicago-Beijing
Chicago-Shanghai
Newark-Beijing
Newark-Shanghai
Washington D.C.-Beijing
San Francisco-Beijing
San Francisco-Shanghai
Los Angeles-Shanghai
and soon San Francisco-Chengdu

Delta Air Lines:
Detroit-Shanghai
Detroit-Beijing
Seattle-Shanghai
Seattle-Beijing

Hawaiian Airlines:
Honolulu-Beijing (starting soon)



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