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Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspace  
User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1318 times:

Saw this flightpath of the Norwegian 787 doing OSL - BKK. The flightpath they are following makes one think they r trying
to avoid Russian airspace at all costs. R they not allowed or is this just a technicality?


http://www.flightradar24.com/#DY7201...uid=140433346141603484313615326113

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

Probably just trying to avoid Russia's high overflight and ATC charges.

User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Probably just trying to avoid Russia's high overflight and ATC charges.

Bingo. This is almost certainly the one and only reason



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1099 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Probably just trying to avoid Russia's high overflight and ATC charges.
Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 2):
Bingo. This is almost certainly the one and only reason

I wouldn't say so. Avoiding Russia, especially to/from Scandinavia, is so cost prohibitive you're only going to avoid Russia if you can't get the permits. Otherwise we would see everyone route south of Russia.



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 973 times:

DY has indeed no permits to overfly Russian airspace. Same goes for example for PR on their MNL-LHR route, which flies very South and has a longer then neccesary flighttime as well.

Remember when LH Cargo changed crew base from Russia to Kazahstan (iirc). Russia ended up their overfly permit and LH Cargo was not really happy about it as you can understand  



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User currently offlineValorien From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 825 times:

The Russian authorities do not allow wetleased airlines over Russian airspace. Norwegian Long Haul, the subsidiary which flies the Dreamliner Aircraft, is a wet lease operator, while Norwegian Air Shuttle is not. Moving the Dreamliner aircraft from the Norwegian Long Haul operation to Norwegian Air Shuttle will allow them to fly over Russian airspace which will save 40-50 minutes on the Dreamliner flights to Bangkok. Currently, they have to detour around the Crimean peninsula. The "transfer" to the Norwegian Air Shuttle Air Operator Certificate has already happened, all that's pending now is approval from the Russian authorities.

[Edited 2014-07-07 03:07:30]

User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 795 times:

Quoting Valorien (Reply 5):
The Russian authorities do not allow wetleased airlines over Russian airspace.

Why?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 716 times:

Quoting kevin (Reply 6):
Quoting Valorien (Reply 5):
The Russian authorities do not allow wetleased airlines over Russian airspace.

Why?

Probably one way of reducing competition with their own airlines.

You may recall a few years ago when Russia banned AC from overflying Russia on it's then new seasonal YYZ-DEL nonstop service. The reported reason was that SU had been carrying a lot of Canada-India traffic and they wanted to make life as difficult as possible for AC.

However, Canada quickly retaliated by banning Russian aircraft from Canadian airspace (except for limited scheduled services to Toronto) which had a major impact on SU services to the U.S. After Canada imposed that ban an agreement was quickly reached within the next couple of weeks and the overflight bans were lifted.


User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 677 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
Probably one way of reducing competition with their own airlines.

You may recall a few years ago when Russia banned AC from overflying Russia on it's then new seasonal YYZ-DEL nonstop service. The reported reason was that SU had been carrying a lot of Canada-India traffic and they wanted to make life as difficult as possible for AC.

However, Canada quickly retaliated by banning Russian aircraft from Canadian airspace (except for limited scheduled services to Toronto) which had a major impact on SU services to the U.S. After Canada imposed that ban an agreement was quickly reached within the next couple of weeks and the overflight bans were lifted.

Thx, that makes sense


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 592 times:

Quoting kevin (Thread starter):
Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspace

They have flights to LED if i'm not mistaken, which last I checked is in Russia.



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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 577 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 9):
They have flights to LED if i'm not mistaken, which last I checked is in Russia.

Norwegian Air Shuttle fly to LED, not Norwegian Long Haul.


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