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Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV  
User currently offlineIDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8184 times:

Just saw this on FR24, Delta flight DL469, 744, is currently circling out of TLV. Maybe fuel dumping?

http://www.flightradar24.com/DAL469/3ccf59a

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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6143 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7709 times:

Quoting IDISA (Thread starter):

I'd have to agree that it appears to have been dumping fuel and now returning to TLV. Mechanical issue?



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User currently offlined l x From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11354 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7630 times:

Looks like it just landed. No updates on delta.com.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7570 times:

Landing gear issues, returning to TLV.


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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1312 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7529 times:

It was a flaps issue, landed safety.


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User currently offlinebchandl From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7360 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 4):
It was a flaps issue, landed safety.

Was this the 747 they send from JFK?

Clicked on this thread because I thought it could be a terror related safety issue. Glad to see that is not the case.

Stay safe.

Bchandl


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6437 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7081 times:

Quoting bchandl (Reply 5):
Clicked on this thread because I thought it could be a terror related safety issue.

Me too. I'm hearing that Hamas is threatening to attack TLV specifically.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5042 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7026 times:

Saw on the news yesterday that Hamas is warning airlines that at the airport in Tel Aviv is a target. Would not be surprised to see some service suspensions until things cool down.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/hamas-ar...gurion-airport-20140711-zt52s.html



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User currently offlinedaviation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6930 times:

I was on DL 469 (and 468) in March. I was curious beforehand which aircraft they use on the route. As it turns out, they pretty much cycle all of their 744s at some point to JFK-TLV. I was on N667US and, well, I don't have it at my fingertips right now!

User currently offlined l x From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11354 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5964 times:

Here's the news on it.

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-nyc-fli...e-emergency-landing-024427003.html



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User currently offlineORDTLV2414 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
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Not to get to politcal here but if I were Hamas I would be very careful of targeting TLV, hitting a foregin aircraft could have terrible repruccusions, specifically if it were an AA,UA or DL aircraft.

User currently offlineCalebWilliams From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

Quoting d l x (Reply 9):

Here's the news on it.

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-nyc-fli...e-emergency-landing-024427003.html

Per the news article, the pax are going to have to wait about 20 hours for what I presume would be the same scheduled Sunday night flight to JFK, wouldn't be pertinent to use another SkyTeam member to get some off the pax to JFK via AMS or CDG, etc. LY has a TLV-JFK flight as well.

The article stats 370 pax (out of 376 possible per Seat Guru) so about 98% full and I doubt the Sunday flight only has 6 bookings. Does anyone know if the 370 pax figure is inaccurate?



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User currently offlineORDTLV2414 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4766 times:
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as someone who frequents North American-TLV flights, I can tell you anywhere for 1/4-1/2 of those people are connecting onwards to Chicago,South Florida,California and some other places, which further complicates things. I think that DL should and may be booking people on flights to their destination via AMS,SVO and FCO. I imagine flights leaving Israel are very full these days, further complicating things. When things settle down, normal traffic flow in both directions will resume.

User currently offlineflymichael21 From United States of America, joined Jun 2014, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 11):
Per the news article, the pax are going to have to wait about 20 hours for what I presume would be the same scheduled Sunday night flight to JFK, wouldn't be pertinent to use another SkyTeam member to get some off the pax to JFK via AMS or CDG, etc. LY has a TLV-JFK flight as well.

The article stats 370 pax (out of 376 possible per Seat Guru) so about 98% full and I doubt the Sunday flight only has 6 bookings. Does anyone know if the 370 pax figure is inaccurate?

DL469 did cancel, but the same aircraft N668US, is going to fly out of TLV as DL9859 2230 local 13July, and arrive 0330 14July local in JFK.

The routing of N668US is TLV-JFK-DTW-MNL, so I am assuming DL is going to put those 370 pax on the new flight number, on the same airplane.

The JFK-DTW is a ferry/reposition flight, so if they were going to ferry/reposition from TLV, i'd assume it would fly direct to DTW.

I don't think it would affect the regular scheduled flight for Sunday, but I am sure that pax count will change due to pax getting off and having different routes, due to a hefty delay.

If any info is updated, please correct me.

https://www.delta.com/flifo/servlet/DeltaFlifo?airline_code=DL&flight_number=9859&flight_date=07/13/2014&request=main
https://www.delta.com/flifo/servlet/DeltaFlifo?airline_code=DL&flight_number=9932&flight_date=07/14/2014&request=main


User currently offlinebchandl From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

This is my favorite part:

From the article that was linked earlier:

"Flight 469 — a Boeing 747 with 370 passengers and 17 crew members aboard — landed safely back at Ben Gurion Airport around 2:30 a.m"

DL 747s sit exactly 370 people. They simply Googled the seating total and reported it as total pax number.

There is realistically basically a 0% chance it went out completely 100% full.

Quoting flymichael21 (Reply 13):
The JFK-DTW is a ferry/reposition flight, so if they were going to ferry/reposition from TLV, i'd assume it would fly direct to DTW.
Quoting flymichael21 (Reply 13):
TLV as DL9859

I agree with your reasoning, but DL9859 is a ferry flight number.

Probably going to JFK to swap out crews if I had to guess. Is JFK a 747 pilot base for DL?

bchandl


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

Quoting flymichael21 (Reply 13):
DL469 did cancel, but the same aircraft N668US, is going to fly out of TLV as DL9859 2230 local 13July, and arrive 0330 14July local in JFK.

This cues to me that DL may probably cut down on TLV flights until the issues there get settled. I would hate to lose one of those 744s  



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Quoting bchandl (Reply 14):
There is realistically basically a 0% chance it went out completely 100% full.

Why do you say that? Many flights are completely full this time of year.


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

With the rocket threat, the US carriers must have an issue putting up crews in TLV at this moment. Other airlines have elected to take their crews out of Israel.

Over the last few days, some European airlines have relocated their crews to LCA on Cyrpus and their flights currently make a crew-stop on the home bound leg, to replace crews.


User currently offlinebchandl From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 17):
With the rocket threat, the US carriers must have an issue putting up crews in TLV at this moment. Other airlines have elected to take their crews out of Israel.

If an American carrier is flying to TLV, they have to be putting crew up in hotels or they would be timing out.

bchandl


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):

Agreed. Even if nonrevs filled the remaining empty seats, and it's totally possible, it still went out 100% full



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5163 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Quoting bchandl (Reply 14):
DL 747s sit exactly 370 people. They simply Googled the seating total and reported it as total pax number.

Nope. 376. So there were 6 open seats. And I agree with the previous poster -- it didn't say 370 revenue pax, it said 370 pax. Now is a big nonrev time of year.

[Edited 2014-07-13 03:49:25]

User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 11):
wouldn't be pertinent to use another SkyTeam member to get some off the pax to JFK via AMS or CDG, etc

Doesn't have to be SkyTeam, airlines have fares to accommodate stranded pax from other airlines regardless of whether they're in an alliance or not. If you wanted to reroute yourself, you might stand a better chance of getting on another airline if it is in the same alliance, but behind the scenes it is much less important. Put it this way, if BA cancel a flight out of Tokyo, you stand an exactly equal chance of being rebooked on Virgin, Nippon or JAL.

Quoting bchandl (Reply 14):
There is realistically basically a 0% chance it went out completely 100% full.

Rubbish! In a busy period, it is entirely possible to have not the same number of pax as there are seats but indeed MORE - the revenue department get a bit aggressive with overbooking and everyone shows up, you could have up to 20 pax turned away. And even if everything works out and 268 pax turn up for a plane with 270 seats, you've still got 14 non-revs trying to get on. Anyone who has flown standby knows, you can wait for days for a seat. Certainly hours. Believe me, there are plenty of flights every day with every seat full, and non-revs on open jumpseats. If this Delta 747 had six free seats out of 376, that is a masterstroke of load control.



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User currently offlineMesaflyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3133 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 633 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):

Quoting flymichael21 (Reply 13):
DL469 did cancel, but the same aircraft N668US, is going to fly out of TLV as DL9859 2230 local 13July, and arrive 0330 14July local in JFK.

This cues to me that DL may probably cut down on TLV flights until the issues there get settled. I would hate to lose one of those 744s  

Get 'em while you can! JFK-TLV and JFK-NRT are switching to 777s soon.



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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 553 times:

Does anyone know how often BA or LH orchestrate emergency landings due to mechanical issues? From reading the news, I would say the US carriers make many times more emergency landings than European carriers. These soft emergencies seem to happen periodically on DL 767/747 aircraft, both of which are older, and you have to wonder if cost considerations in its fleet planning or maintenance schemes are having an impact on its ability to operate reliably. It's normal to have regular maintenance issues, but expecting everyone to roll their eyes and say this was no big deal is really asking a lot of people who paid dearly for their tickets.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 488 times:

Quoting MesaflyGuy (Reply 22):
Get 'em while you can! JFK-TLV and JFK-NRT are switching to 777s soon.

I fly the 744 to MSP   



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