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Europeans:JFK Or EWR?  
User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Just wondering which airport most Europeans prefer to use. Seeing that most European airlines have their flagship services to JFK, does this influence your choice? Any thoughts are appreciated.

[Edited 2005-01-15 19:11:25]

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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

What do you consider "flagship services"? At the moment, I don't recall any airline "over here" marketing their services to JFK any differently than their services to NRT, SIN, LAX, SFO, GRU, SCL or anywhere else...

As for your question - favorite airport where? Just in NYC? Or anywhere?

Regards,
Frank

P.S.: Wouldn't this be better placed in "Polls & Prefs"?

Edited: I see you've clarified the Topic - in that case, I can only say EWR... I've not flown into JFK that often these past years, but when I was there, it really didn't seem all that pleasant. And while EWR really isn't all that great either, it sure beats JFK.

[Edited 2005-01-15 19:20:04]


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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Definitely EWR; it's closer to Manhattan.
As far as I know, European carriers would love to fly into EWR more often but can't.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

EWR, but that is because my family lives in New Jersey and it is much easier for them to pick us up there.


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User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Definately JFK for the easy subway connection (A-trains), I always get of the subway just before the Brooklyn Bridge, and then walk over it into Manhattan.

Also this airport feels more international.

Sjoerd



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

EWR, so I can spot more international heavies there.  Big grin

Most people don't realize how easy it is to get to midtown Manhattan from EWR. Just take AirTrain to the train station and hop on NJ Transit or Amtrak. (My suggestion, go Nj Transit; they are a lot cheaper and trains run more frequently. Just my $.02  Smile).

Harry



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User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

I prefer JFK, since I have friends living in Jamaica Queens.....however EWR is also a nice airport, especially when making connections.

Again personally I like JFK better because of the special International atmosphere!

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineBy188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

JFK, i love the old TWA terminal!


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

Again personally I like JFK better because of the special International atmosphere!

That is true, I really get the feeling it's a big international gateway when I go to JFK. When I go to EWR, it just feels like another airport that happens to serve a lot of international traffic, probably because of the large CO presence. Either that or I just go there too much.  Laugh out loud

Harry



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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

EWR, so I can spot more international heavies there.

Are you joking?

As far as I know, European carriers would love to fly into EWR more often but can't.

Is that why they continue to put the higher yielding aircraft on the JFK runs with more frequencies?


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

Why would I be joking?  Confused

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

"Is that why they continue to put the higher yielding aircraft on the JFK runs with more frequencies?"

What about Lufthansa's all business class service between EWR and Dusseldorf and Munich?..

Or Swiss's all Business class service to Zurich?

Or..

Singapore Air's Flagship International route, EWR-SIN (Longest Nonstop in the World) with their expanded Business class.


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Why would I be joking?

Simple. It is a fact that JFK has more international heavies than JFK. Thus, your statement about liking EWR because you can watch more international heavies is contradictory.

What about Lufthansa's all business class service between EWR and Dusseldorf and Munich?..

Or Swiss's all Business class service to Zurich?


Simple. There is a demand for those speciality services; I would wager there is demand for it on some domestic routes even. However, most of those speciality services are complemented by a First Class product into JFK.

If you compare major European carriers service JFK vs EWR, who wins STT?

Singapore Air's Flagship International route, EWR-SIN (Longest Nonstop in the World) with their expanded Business class.

STT, you know as well as I do why this flight goes to EWR. SQ was operating EWR-AMS-SIN and JFK-FRA-SIN. JFK-FRA-SIN was higher yielding and making more money, so they decided to scrap EWR-AMS-SIN and replace it with the nonstop. EWR got the flight because the JFK flight was doing so well!


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Well the proof is in the #s
JFK-LHR 20x per day
EWR-LHR 5x per day (+CO to LGW)
JFK-CDG 9x per day
EWR- CDG 4x per day
JFK-FRA 5x per day
EWR-FRA 2x per day
also:
JFK-NRT 6x per day
EWR-NRT 1x per day
These are all for summer 2005, peak day operations.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

EWR is home for me, but in a way so is JFK (living in NJ.)

EWR is much more convienient and has come a hell of a long way over the past five years. However most terminals at JFK are architectural marvels. AT Kennedy you have the TWA terminal, terminal 7, the worldport, the new international terminal, and soon the new AA terminal.

I rank EWR and JFK pretty high, but I REALLY cannot stand LGA.



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Simple. It is a fact that JFK has more international heavies than JFK. Thus, your statement about liking EWR because you can watch more international heavies is contradictory

I was implying that more international heavies would fly into EWR than there are now if it became a more popular destination. I was not disputing the fact that JFK has more heavies.

Harry



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

LGA is very inconvenient to get to. Its close to Manhattan, though lacks public transportation to the terminals.


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

LGA is very inconvenient to get to.

For businessmen who work in Manhattan, LGA is the most convenient airport. And let's not forget who gives the airlines the most money....


User currently offlineFlybmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

Flyguy1
LGA is certainly convenient for Manhattan, though lacks any routes to Europe !!!


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

I know LGA is close to Manhattan, but inconvneient for those who want to take public transportation.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

"STT, you know as well as I do why this flight goes to EWR. SQ was operating EWR-AMS-SIN and JFK-FRA-SIN. JFK-FRA-SIN was higher yielding and making more money, so they decided to scrap EWR-AMS-SIN and replace it with the nonstop. EWR got the flight because the JFK flight was doing so well!"

The only place I've seen that comment is here on these boards, and that comment was made by Concordeboy. Now while I enjoy his posts, what basis did he come up with that?.. I've never seen anything published..

Listen we keep retreading the same topic:

Yes JFK gets more International Airlines, they are in the top tier with MIA and LAX. However EWR is in the next tier with ORD and SFO, EWR gets more of the Business traffic. JFK caters to alot of tourists from Europe to Manhattan and immgrants visiting Queens/Brooklyn etc.. From Russia, Guyanna, Trinidad, Hati, Africa etc..

However there are alot of International service at EWR which cannot be found at JFK:

Belfast, Glasglow, Bristol, Birmingham, Edinburgh, Lisbon, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen, Singapore (nonstop), St.Johns, Halifax, Quebec City, Puerto Vallarta, Acapulco, Los Cabos, Cozumel, Dusseldorf, Freeport, Ottawa.

There are carriers that serve both EWR and JFK:

British Airways, Czech Air, Lot Polish, Air France, Alitalia, KLM, Lufthansa, Swiss, Air India, Air Jamaica, El Al

There are carriers that only serve EWR,

Malaysian, Tap Air Portugal, SAS. EVA etc..



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

"LGA is very inconvenient to get to. Its close to Manhattan, though lacks public transportation to the terminals"

The MTA during the Giulianni administration had allocated $650 Million to bring the N train to LGA, the MTA recently withdrew that money to put into other projects (ESA, SAS etc..).

Big mistake IMO..

I love Washington Reagan National Airport's Metro service, right to the front of the Terminals, that's how the N train should be at LGA.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2256 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

JFK is nicer then EWR IMO, yet I find EWR much more convenient in terms of getting to/from Manhattan.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

" I find EWR much more convenient in terms of getting to/from Manhattan."

It will be even better when they extend PATH service to the Newark Airport rail link station, providing direct service to the new World Trade Center PATH hub being designed by Santiago Calavatrava.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

EWR for me. Closer to Manhattan, although I guess JFK is just as easy to get to now, albeit longer. Potentially a more awe-inspiring approach too, if you get the southerly runways.

Geoff M.


25 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Now while I enjoy his posts, what basis did he come up with that? ...even had I not heard it from a contact [formerly] at SQ-- common sense would dict
26 STT757 : ConcordeBoy you have to give me kudos for remembering your posts from months ago, I do indeed enjoy your posts but I feel your not always right. Somet
27 Post contains images Newark777 : It will be even better when they extend PATH service to the Newark Airport rail link station, providing direct service to the new World Trade Center P
28 STT757 : "When this is completed, there will be direct train service to both midtown and downtown Manhattan" Also Jersey City's Gold Coast, Wall Street West.
29 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I do indeed enjoy your posts but I feel your not always right. ...too bad what you feel does absolutely nothing to change the plain and simple fact of
30 Jasepl : JFK is better if you have time and want to look around, spot and want variety. But once you've been through both JFK and EWR a bunch of times, you do
31 Airtrainer : If I have the choice I will rather arrive in JFK. I always travel for leisure so I'm not in the hurry and taking the subway to Manhattan is fine for m
32 STT757 : "too bad what you feel does absolutely nothing to change the plain and simple fact of their decision " Right, their decision to fly their Flagship Pre
33 Jfernandez : It is just better to fly into JFK, if all things are equal - JFK has better International coverage, so if there's a cancelled flight, you're more like
34 Csavel : JFK is closer to midtown Manhattan, and EWR is *slightly* closer to downtown than JFK as the crow flies. They are essentially equidistant. It is a myt
35 Salso : I definitely prefer EWR due to its proximity to Manhattan, my relatives also live in Jersey City so it is much easier for them to pick me up there the
36 Geoffm : "JFK is closer to midtown Manhattan, and EWR is *slightly* closer to downtown than JFK as the crow flies. They are essentially equidistant. It is a my
37 Tommy767 : "For businessmen who work in Manhattan, LGA is the most convenient airport. And let's not forget who gives the airlines the most money...." There is a
38 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : If Singapore's discovered JFK-Frankfurt is such a cash cow someone better let AA know, they've tried JFK-Frankfurt on again off again atleast 3-4 time
39 Post contains images N62NA : Very good topic - and interesting to see what Europeans think about each airport (as opposed to us Americans who seem to constantly be arguing about w
40 Flyguy1 : Regarding reply #20, YHZ is served from JFK, and DUS service will start later in 2005. Here are some transatlantic cities served this summer from JFK,
41 Ltbewr : Depending on the location in Europe coming from directly, airlines servicing, need for ongoing connections to other cities in the USA (especially in N
42 STT757 : "That's akin to saying BOS-LHR must not be very lucrative because UA couldn't make it work" UAL is not a good example, they could not even make Miami
43 Post contains images Mischadee : It's actually a hard choice for me. Flying often with SAS when the price is right I have no choice, I have to go with EWR, but that place is boooooori
44 Hirnie : For me it doesn`t depend on if it`s JFK or EWR, it depends on when I arrive in NY and when I will be able to contact partners or meet friends...
45 Airlinerfreak : #20 can you give us your source for that EWR statement?
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