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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

I was planning a trip down under and was wondering who I would have the best chance of upgrading to first class on. Any ZED carrier or even UA would be fine. Also any tips would be appreciated.

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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5856 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6068 times:

upgrading to first class on a flight to Oz? you'll be very lucky to get that on QF, QF make that even harder for it's most loyal customers let alone anyone else. maybe UA or Air NZ, but i'd say 1st class you might be pushing the boundaries a bit to far.


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User currently offlineF9HNLPLZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

You could also try HA out of HNL. It is on a 763, but it still has FC and I am sure the service is good.



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

I just dread the thought of a 18+ hour FLT in coach, being 6'4'' has its draw backs. I know it is the long way around but how do BA and VS stand on upgrading non-revs?

User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5856 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

no chance that BA is going to fly you around the world and back in 1st class, be thankful your getting a seat cheaper than most, QF NEVER upgrade to first class, i've not heard of BA doing it either unless your one of the most loyal customers, 18 hours at the price you pay is good value, what else do you bloody want?


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

Hey i wouldn't say QF never upgrades. One of the pilots at Southwest took a trip down under (he did pay a full fare coach ticket however) and he said "hey im a US airline employee, can you give me anything" and they said sure and upgraded him to first class. All he had to do was show them his airline ID.


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5856 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

but the fact he paid a full fare coach ticket would have helped him out, NONREV is far from a full coach ticket, so i'd say the chances are next to none getting a F upgrade on a nonrev tiecket, they don't even give out discounted economy class to business class upgrades anymore, let alone nonrev.


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User currently offlineAA 777 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 808 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5922 times:
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Getting First on a ZED ticket doesn't happen. Ok, there may be that odd exception but I really doubt it. If you are traveling on a ZED ticket you will be at the bottom of the standby list and I would be happy just to get on the plane.

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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

Chances of getting upgrade to J/F is very near impossible on a Foreign carrier, if its a US carrier, they are more likely to maybe let you upgrade, when I flew non-rev Y class on NW, I was able to move up to World Business on LAX-NRT NRT-SIN and NRT-BKK. once aboard, I asked the chief purse if I could come up front, he/she would go check and let me move up right before takeoff, but warned me that no business class meal might be available to me, but I did not mind. (but apparently I always got the meal)

I have tried on many international airlines to try to upgrade, and I got very nasty remarks and the crew started having a worse attitude toward me from me simply just asking "I work for this airline and is it possible if I could have a seat in business (even they got first, I dont ask for first)" and they get angry at me, so I never bothered ever again to ask except if its a US carrier.

pissed me off big time when I flew on a JL nonrev CGK-NRT and business only had 2 pax and I was stuck in coach with 56 pax, too bad for them to not allow me to sit in a j/C seat.

I felt a bit guilty realizing that NW emps have to pay for upgrades (the NW F/A told me about how its done, and I did not pay any upgrade, but actually my ticket was more cause it was an ID95 but in Y class)

Just be lucky getting QF to SYD, it can be hard to get back sometimes



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User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

Upgrade to F on a non rev ticket? Is this a joke? A trick question?

User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

You want to non-rev on the US-Australia route? You'll get economy if you're lucky. You can forget J; QF used to even forbid FF redemptions on QF 11 and 12 (SYD-LAX and vv.) - and they may even still do.




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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5859 times:

Ok, give me the dates and city you want to through, either LAX or SFO. I'll check loads for you; email me privately.

Alex.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

I was so upset when I tried to Non-Rev on
SQ
from LAX-SIN, a the counter they refused to let me on the non-stop A340-500 flight and said that I had to list on the 777 and 747 NRT/TPE direct flights instead, cause my Y Id ticket was not valid for Y "premium" oh man and even the flight that day was wide open. I went back to my airline counter and exchanged for a ticket on China Airlines instead. (saved money vs the SQ ID price) How picky of them

[Edited 2005-02-06 06:12:03]


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5856 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

so what's checking loads going to prove? it's the carriers discretion if they upgrade the passenger or not and that will be done at the airport, why on earth would they upgrade a non-rev pax to business let alone first class, you must be off the planet to even ask, expecting to get upgraded while the rest pay top dollar. if you don't want to sit in coach for 18hrs try paying the J or F class fare like everyone else, or stay at home.


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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5807 times:

Jdwfloyd said he is a non-rev and wanted to be in first or business. If he is properly dressed and there's a seat available, there's no reason he shouldn't get into the premium cabin.

Alex.



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User currently offlineUSflt1778 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 268 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

I non-revved to/from SYD in Sep 04 on QF using ZED tickets. Flight 8 LAX-SYD booked to 75 in Y, full in J. I was happy to have 4 seats to myself in the back. Return flight was wide open until UA cancelled 2 days worth of flights; wound up sharing a section of 4 seats in the last row with 2 other non-revs from AS. Typical non-rev experience; I was just happy to be onboard.

Amazing thing was my intra-Australian flights. Flying Alice Springs to Ayers Rock (35 mins on a BAE146) they actually "upgraded" a paying passenger who had already boarded to give me his coach seat. The business cabin that they upgraded him to on that flight was non-existant from what I could see: no difference in the seat or service...not even a curtain dividing the first 2 rows from the rest of the aircraft. But, they apparently didn't want me to sit in row 1 or 2 for that flight. The agents were cordial, but went through a lot of fuss for nothing.

Same thing happened flying CNS to SYD. They kept going down their list til they found someone who had yet to board so they could upgrade him and put me in economy. Don't get me wrong, I was happy to be on board (and in a pretty good Y seat, since the guy upgraded was a tier-level FF member who had an aisle in the 2nd row of coach), but it was so much extra work for the staff versus just putting me on in J. Rules are rules, I guess.

As a side note, I have only once been upgraded on ZED tickets: summer 2003 OSL-EWR on SK. Flight was full and I was totally prepared for a last row center seat. My companion and I were called up at the last minute and given 2A & 2B; I was shocked. I gave the supervisor my card and told him to let me know if he ever travels on my airline and/or thru my city so I can do something in return. It was especially generous since I took a walk thru Y at one point and saw at least 6 or 8 open seats back there.


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

UA might be the only airline that will let people do that...

And look where they are right now...

Loads are good in the premium cabins year round.



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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

Coachman, I flew to Amsterdam in business and could have had first if I wanted. It's either me, or the seat goes out empty. Doesn't make any difference to United.

Again, rules of non-revving - if the seat is open, and you're properly dressed, there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't have it.

Alex.



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User currently offlineQFATWA From New Zealand, joined Jun 1999, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

At QF, there is a very strict policy for staff travel.

All staff purchase tickets at the ID90 rate (90% off) and pay taxes (to NZ, the taxes equal the ticket cost). As well, the Australian Government has a Fringe Benefits tax on all staff travel tickets, which the business must pay.

Every employee has an onload category and an upgrade ability.

Domestic travel can be made in Business class for all employees.

For international travel, positional status and/or over 7 years of service denote ability to purchase a higher value J/C fare, and managerial status allows for purchasing a P/C fare.

There are no indiscriminate upgrades thrown around. If you are entitled to a class upgrade, you must purchase it and have the correct ticket. If you are entitled to J/C or P/C but choose to purchase only a Y/C ticket, then that is where you will travel.

Staff Travel is a cost to the business, so QF manages it very carefully - thus the reason for upgrading a loyal customer to at least open a seat for a Y ticketed non-rev.

Cabin crew are not authorised to upgrade in flight - all seating is done by the ground staff. Only in critical situations of service recovery, such as a medical problem, will the Aircraft Manager upgrade a passenger (and generally the highest tier of frequent flyer to free up seats). Reports must be written to validate the upgrade. Jobs have been lost for ignoring this policy.

So for other airline staff on QANTAS (as happens for QANTAS staff on other airlines) the expectation should be for the seat in economy at a greatly discounted rate. Miracles occasionally occur!!


User currently offlineJc5280 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 530 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

Coachman...

"UA might be the only airline that will let people do that...

And look where they are right now...

Loads are good in the premium cabins year round. "


Um, what are you talking about? F and C classes are hard to get even for the most frequent flyers! Have you ever been on a SYD-LAX/SFO flight on UA? In fact, loads and cargo were good enough, there is now a second SYD-LAX flight.

I know for a fact, UA is not the only US airline that upgrades employees. I think you need to check your facts. However, there are very few airlines outside of the US that upgrade as easily. Most require you to have an ID90 or 95 issued for the higher class of service (C, J, F, etc. rather than Y).

If you are flying on a non-US airline, you can ask for the upgrade, but if you are on a ID ticket issued off of a coach fare, expect a no. There are some non-US airlines that upgrade, but not as easily as you may think if you are used to US airlines.

Jdwfloyd did not indicate to us who he works for. I think we need more info...


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Jdwfloyd said he is a non-rev and wanted to be in first or business. If he is properly dressed and there's a seat available, there's no reason he shouldn't get into the premium cabin

I agree. I guess someone has a bad experience getting an upgrade as a non-rev. I got a bump (as did my brother) on my flight to MEL on QF from LAX. I was also bumped to F class on AA from LAX-NRT. Both QF and AA staff at LAX were very nice and quick to get me a premium class seat.

I sprinted to my gate on the AA flight and didn't even get a word out of my mouth and the gate agent said my last name, and handed me my F class boarding pass...I was pretty much floored. We waited for the plane to finish being cleaned, and I made about 10 phone calls at the gate telling everyone I almost missed my connection, but I'd be in first class on my first flight to Tokyo. Thanks AA!

Regards,
AA777jr


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

Jc5280,

I think you've misread my post. My point is that loads are good in F and J on UA SYD-LAX/SFO flights. That's a widely known fact and *therefore* it's hard for non-rev pax to get onboard.

I used UA as an example of the generally liberal non-rev policy of US airlines as a whole because UA is the airline being quoted in this example.

QF, CX, SQ amongst others are all notorious for their very strict non-rev policies (as QFATWA has related - jobs have been lost for disobedience of these policies). People used to the non-rev policies of US airlines in particular will be disappointed when it comes to QF, top tier FF are looked after well and will generally get premium seats unless the employee is senior (like my friend's father who is a training captain on the 744); top tier FF are big business for the airline and looking after them comes priority. It's a business and QF's policies are some of the strictest around.



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User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5630 times:

The Coachman,

I can attest to those policies. It is perhaps easy to upgrade on your own carrier due to job grade and tenure. But, it is pretty much a given that the chances of getting one on an OAL is next to zilch! No matter how well dressed, well behaved or whether the cabin is empty or not  Smile


User currently offlineJC5280 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 530 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

Coachman...

Yeah, I think I misunderstood your point. My apologies on that.

I second the rest of your post though. Excellent points here.


User currently offlineQantas777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5554 times:

I love Qantas077's posts.....very lame.

If you are well dressed, not some sloppy ass...why not get J class if it is open and all of the processing has been done at the gate? I think that is one of the greatest perks of this business; flying for free and possibly getting an upgrade.

Who needs first? J is good enough.


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Unless you know someone at the gate/station I think you don't have much chance to get upgraded with a Y ticket if there is still space in Y...

Why don't you just buy a business class ticket to begin with?
Yes, it's more expensive but it's still a lot cheaper than any fullrev eco ticket!
Though in case C is full they might actually downgrade you but they could also upgrade you to F - happen to me few times!

If you hate to travel in eco (like I do, although being A LOT shorter than you) with a C ticket you get a nicer journey with still very nice price Big grin

That's what I always do when I'm flying long haul if the airlines I'm planning to fly allow our C tickets!



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