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Will There Ever Be A Better LCC Than Southwest  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

I think we all agree that the top LCC in the world has always been Southwest. But besides them, has anybody else truly mastered the low cost formula: JetBlue, Airtran, Easy Jet, Virgin Blue or Gol in Brazil.

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User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

we don't all agree that. I think each LCC masters it's own niche. I, personally think jetBlue is the best.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

Better? Yeah, I enjoy F9 a lot more than I enjoy WN.

More successful? Doubt it.

N


User currently offlineJFernandez From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

You're essentially assuming that WN is the best LCC, but you're not defining HOW it is the best. From a financial sense, perhaps yes, although jBLU and even Song have some good popularity these days.

User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

WN -- top of LCC -- I guess if you only consider the profitability and operation of airlines, WN is the top, but personally, I think WN sucks in terms of the boarding procedures, the ugly livery, and ground service... Onboard service is fine, but nothing spectacular, but I give credit to WN for seving a full beverage on nearly all flights including LAX and LAS. I still avoid it at all costs... the giant line at LAX extending onto T-2 is just enough deterrent and most major airlines match WN fares now.

I actually think Jetblue is the best overall LCC out there and Frontier is excellent as well (but its financial result is a mixed batch). Indy-air is also good in terms of service but not financially...

For your question, the answer is yes... Jetblue is way better LCC than WN, and we will have Virgin USA soon.

Carfield


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

I think in 7 or 8 years Southwest will be bigger than American. I`m not saying bigger = better, but I wouldn`t mess with them.

User currently offlineJFernandez From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Dear WN freaks,

Stop being so fanatical about "your" airline. It kinda creeps the rest of us sensible people out. WN's a very nice airline, cost-efficient, and seems to have real brand loyalty, but the "cult" factor is a bit high. Thanks  Smile


User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

I don't believe someone started this topic yet again. Its been discussed to death and will be again...this thread will go nowhere and quickly.

The same Southwest haters will spout off the same things they always do about how horrid it is.

The same Southwest lovers will spout off the same things they always do about how truly amazing it is.




You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

>>>I don't believe someone started this topic yet again. Its been discussed to death and will be again...this thread will go nowhere and quickly.

Should be good for at least 60 or 70 meaningless responses...


User currently offlineAeronuts From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

sure, it's call southwest jr.

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

"Stop being so fanatical about "your" airline. It kinda creeps the rest of us sensible people out. WN's a very nice airline, cost-efficient, and seems to have real brand loyalty, but the "cult" factor is a bit high."

which points to the airline having more brand equity than it knows what to do with. which is another level upon which the foundation of success is laid.



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

BlatantEcho is absolutely right. I know people who will only fly WN because they think they are getting the best fare, every time, even when I fly UA for cheaper. The airline has built up loyalty from people, including me as they are one of 2 airlines I chose to fly in the US, that rivals anything. And the answer on whether there will ever be a better LCC, no.


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User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

This is a rather American-centric thread, so I'll add Easyjet and Ryanair to the mix. In the truest sense of the word, Ryanair with their occasional FREE flights (and a CEO who realistically expects that system wide free flights is entirely possible) must, by definition, be the "best" LCC: they cost the least of any other LCC!


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

In the context of delivering for over 30 years, from the highly regulated era through deregulation, surviving the coming and going of many LCC and legacy airlines, 9/11, with competitive fares, within a reasonable range of expectations, then I doubt there will be another LCC in the USA market any better than Southwest. Now the current what I call LCC Plus or Moderate Fare/cost carriers like Jet Blue and Frontier, are as others noted, serve airports like Denver and JFK/LGA in the NYC area that WN chooses not to serve due to costs and that they don't really follow their business model. The European LCC EasyJet is probably the best LCC in the Euro markets with moderate, budget pricing but more like WN in levels of onboard services unlike the 'steerage' service of Ryanair. However, the LCC airlines there are still much younger than WN, so still has to prove itself in the long run vs. Southwest.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

>This is a rather American-centric thread, so I'll add Easyjet and Ryanair to the mix. In the truest sense of the word, Ryanair with their occasional FREE flights (and a CEO who realistically expects that system wide free flights is entirely possible) must, by definition, be the "best" LCC: they cost the least of any other LCC!<

Well, no, FR and U2 get disqualified because they offer much lower service levels than WN, B6, F9, etc. They charge for drinks, they fly out of far out airports (particularly FR, U2 is not nearly as bad) and do not offer an option of flexible tickets.



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User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Can some one clear up the Virgin America thing for me? I though it was a joint-venture between David Neeleman and Richard Branson back in the planning stages of JetBlue, actually it was. Is there another new airline coming out with than name also?

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

>Can some one clear up the Virgin America thing for me? I though it was a joint-venture between David Neeleman and Richard Branson back in the planning stages of JetBlue, actually it was. Is there another new airline coming out with than name also?<

Neelman did actually look to Branson when starting up jetBlue (then New Air). Neelman was not interested in Virgin branding and Branson wanted to own as much of the airline as the US government would allow. Neelman instead found George Soros (who is a US citizen) to be his patron and Branson moved on



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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

I find it strange that SW is above all yet JetBlue for example offers more....ie inflight entertainment..FROM TV's NOT FLIGHT CREW......SW is something else and I doubt any other can compare to their success....

User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

Could there ever be a better car than a Mercedes Benz?
Twenty years ago, no one would have said "yes".
Have you driven a Lexus, Infinity, BMW, Audi?
Could there ever be a more successful story than yahoo five years ago? Have you heard of Google?
Anything can be topped, nothing is permanent.
And the word "best" is subjective.
Can we end this thread?
FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

those cares are better than Mercedes?....Try Bentley.....and I think its a great post....KEEP IT GOING Y'ALL

User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Personally, I like WN the best. THE BEST. Their service, their flexibility, their fares (not always cheapest, but always cheap). My opinion.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

>I find it strange that SW is above all yet JetBlue for example offers more....ie inflight entertainment..FROM TV's NOT FLIGHT CREW......SW is something else and I doubt any other can compare to their success.... <

I did not know Air Namibia had TV's. Big grin



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User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

those cares are better than Mercedes?....Try Bentley.....

You obviously didn't understand my point. Twenty years ago (before you were born), there was nothing else. Now, many competitors have surfaced and yes, many Lexus owners prefer their cars to a Mercedes.
As for a Bentley, the comparison is ridiculous since a Bentley costs over 200 thousand, despite the fact that the company is owned by either BMW or VW, can't recall exactly.

So, WN is great but there are no guarantees in life. The perfect example in aviation is JB, which is a comparable LCC according to many of its followers.
FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineJFernandez From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

which points to the airline having more brand equity than it knows what to do with. which is another level upon which the foundation of success is laid.

I'm not sure I completely agree - there is a point at where brand equity becomes brand fanaticism, and actually backfires on you. Probably the best I can think of is the Macintosh brand in PCs, although Linux is now positioning itself similarly.

The main problem with this type of "branding" is that either you REALLY get it, or you REALLY don't get it. Sadly, with flying, it isn't one of those things where extreme emotions in either direction are particularly good for the traveler, as it tends to force the flyer to greatly limit one's choices.

Of course, it may be argued that it is bad for these LCCs to become too "mainstream", and in that sense, I agree. I just don't see how people raving about how WN (or frankly, ANY airline or product) is the greatest in the universe is always positive.


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

Go with a HCC - Hub n' Spike Airlines!

25 AussieItaliano : "Neelman was not interested in Virgin branding" Hmmmmmm, that seems logical. Neeleman was a Mormon missionary wasn't he? Maybe Branson's motif might h
26 Richierich : Now this thread has become pretty ridiculous - so let me add my dumbest post to date (and I've had a couple of douzys!) Everybody knows that Southwest
27 AirWillie6475 : "They are the Toyota of the airline world" What? Do you know what kind of cars Toyota makes not just in the us but around the world? Some cars have a
28 Dsuairptman : Yes, there is a LCC that's better than WN, their called AirTran
29 ExFATboy : What do you mean by "better"? Better run? Better from a passenger point of view? If it's passenger POV, personally I thin JetBlue is a FAR better expe
30 COEWR2587 : IMO, I think Southwest is the worst from what i've seen. I like Jetblue the most.
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