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Sensation Of Touchdown  
User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Witch airplane do you think makes the smoothest landings? I think it would have to be the 747. The least would have to be 767.

Also, do you think that where you sit in an Aircraft has to do with how you feel the landing. I'm wondering what a pilot in a 747 is feeling during touchdown.

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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Depends on the landing conditions and the skills of the pilot IMO...

Thom@s



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User currently offlineDColeMAN From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 274 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Yes, (mainly) on larger aircraft you'll feel the landing differently in certain places around the cabin.

Dale



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Gruman Millard-73. Atleast when you land on land. Flew it to FLL with Chalks. Wow what a smooth landing. Did not even noticed we toched.


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

you can feel the tire when sitting in the rear on touchdown

you sit in front of the wings, you feel less effect on touchdown



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Why is it that you feel the tuchdown less when your in front. In the 747 I was in the back and it was smooth.

User currently offlineNCLairport From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Smoothest landing by far is on the A330! much better than the 747. Hardest landings and harshest breaking always seems to be on the A320!

Chris



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User currently offlineCrox1 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 305 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2134 times:
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Just arrived back on US Airways A330-300, (PHL - LGW), was sitting in the very last row at the back, strong crosswinds etc, but was the smoothest landing ever, hardly felt a bump, think where you sit makes a difference, if you sit close to the undercarriage you feel the landing much more  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2062 times:

I agree with Thom@s... much of this is subjective to conditions, pilot skill, aircraft condition and the particular passenger's sensitivity.

The three best touchdowns I've been in:
3. An Eastern Airlines L1011 flight from MCO-JFK. Beautiful widebody with one of the earliest flight control systems.
2. A Southwest Airlines 737 flight from LAS-ABQ. We came in over the desert and glided in on the thermals. At that time there wasn't much development on the west mesa so the descent could be made very gradually.
1. The best: a Continental Airlines 737-300 flight from CLE-PHL, late July 2000. The conditions were absolutely horrid that night (severe thunderstorms complete with hail) and my flight to ABE was cancelled (scheduled to be on a Continental Express B1900.) I was rebooked to PHL and we went up into the clouds and bounced around for a while. When we came in for a landing at PHL, the clouds were still very low and as a result I didn't know how close we were to the ground until we were almost over the numbers. The pilot absolutely greased the landing -- I didn't even feel the usual "grab" of the wheels but did feel the brakes. Even so, the landing was smooth as silk.



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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

I never know when I've landed, I don't wake up until we're at the gate unless it's a truely awful landing. Although, coming into DTW last Sunday, in a bad snow storm, I was awake because I was aware of connections that were going to be a problem. The NWA DC-9 pilot did an absolutely beautiful landing (this was the FNT flight that circled and circled, the one that left FNT at 1:40PM) -- whoever that pilot is deserves a medal -- conditions were bad, he kept the passengers updated constantly, and it was a beautiful touchdown, when he braked, you could feel the slide, then he released -- a very professional job

That was a top pilot, and I'd like to let NWA know (tried thru their web site, and got the 'normal' -- we'll read your message later response), so any NWA crew, ramp, etc on here, please pass this on the the pilot of the 1:38 PM out of FNT, last Sunday, to DTW


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

I find the A330's have a smooth landing, even in the nastiest conditions. As much as I like the 767, I haven't had a smooth landing in one yet, and I've had many landings in them. The worst (or best 'cause it was so much fun) was last year coming into YVR from AMS with KL. We were landing on 08L with a slight crosswind, we were over the runway as the pilot flared the a/c and he must have really got caught in the ground effect 'cause we were just gliding down the runway, not sinking, not climbing, just gliding and loosing speed. All of a sudden we dropped like a sack of rocks and hit the runway so hard I thought the landing gear struts were gonna pop through the wings!
When we got to the gate, I stuck around a bit to watch and sure enough the flight crew stepped out and took a look at the gear. A couple of weeks later, I flew back to AMS and same thing, but that one I'll blame on the weather and not the 767 'cause it was a NASTY day in AMS, there must have been at least a dozen people throwin' up on the approach. Poor F/A's!



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User currently offlineEdoca From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

One nice landing sensation is when you're in the middle seats in the first rows on a widebody - e.g. in an MD-11 just above the nose wheel. Usually you feel very little of the main landing gear touching down, but all the more when the nose wheel touches the runway...

User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1922 times:

Truly, an evaluation of the smoothest landing aircraft would require a statistical design. As Thom@s and others mentioned, conditions will play a huge role. You would have to have had at least something like 10 flights on several types of aircraft in various conditions to draw any inference regarding how they compare. Choosing how to break down the conditions under which these landings were made into categories for direct comparison of the smoothness factor would be a big part of the statistical design. Variations in your body sensitivity (e.g., just waking up vs. being alert) also play a critical role. In short, while some flight control designs may render a certain type more prone to a hard landing than another, this sounds a bit like smoke and mirrors to me.

Logan


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1019 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Funnily, my smoothest landing ever was on a B767 if AA at JFK - you didn;t feel ANYthing. But it really depends on many factors, including piloting, weather, surface of runway, etc...

User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Smoothest landing I ever had was a CO 733 from Belize-IAH.

I've had some soft ones in 767's too.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

I wonder if passengers on AA plane that landed way short of runway in Denver (not too long ago) did feel the plane tire hitting landing lights and instruments???

Someone mentioned that the crew was NOT aware that they actually hit something while landing! and that the airport ground personnel found it out later...



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User currently offline727EMflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

Smoothest: UA 763 HNL August '01. Pilot had the engines at idle from 10 miles out on final, if you weren't watching you'd never even know we were down.

Worst: US (express... don't know which operator) Beech 1900 GON September '95. It was a dark and stormy night... only flight on that aircraft, but from what I've heard every landing in those things stinks.


User currently onlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2184 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Best: Landing in a BA 744 JNB-LHR, I didn't even realize we had landed! We just seemed to glide down the runway, and of course no reverse thrust!

Worst: AA 752 PHX-DFW a few weeks ago, whacked the bird on the runway, and the guy next to me was asleep, when we hit the tarmac he woke up with a start! He basically shrieked!

Was very strange indeed!

Tom



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User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Not quite sure about smooth landings but the tough ones are experienced on A320's

George



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User currently offlineUAalltheway From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

I've noticed it really dosen't depend on the aircraft as much as it does the weather and flight crew.

User currently offlinePatrickj From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Started flying transports 25 years ago.

Smooth landing are a combination of weight, wind, runway condition, approach and luck. A few observations on aircraft types I've flown:

B727-100 the bottom can fall out from underneath you even after a perfect approach. You've got to push just prior to touchdown.
B727-200 same as 727-100
B737-200 lands like a big Piper Cub
B737-300 and 400 lands flat but smooth landings are commonplace
B757-200 same as 737-300 and 400
B767-200 main gear trucks dangle at a nose down attitude requiring you to fly it on flat or you'll plant it.
FK-28 Easy to land well
FK-100 hard to buy a good landing
C-5A Easy and Smooth


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

I find the 767 the heardest, due to the config of its main gears. I have always really slammed down in the 767s!

Smoothest would have to be the A330,

Sam



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User currently offlineHorizonGirl From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 807 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

I hate all touchdowns.
You know why?
Because it means you are landing!  weeping 



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User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1638 times:

Don't know about the smoothest landings, but the hardest would have to be the Piper PA-28... when I'm flying it! spin 

-Q



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