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Most Over Serviced Route In The US Or World Wide.  
User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6834 times:

What route has either too many seats, too much frequency or the cost per seat is too high? Or even what route has too many carriers serving it? This could be in the US or world wide.

32 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAlb222 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6796 times:

LGA/JFK/EWR-FLL

Song
Spirit
Continental
American
US
Jet Blue

Plenty of flights, plenty of seats, low yield


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6786 times:

LAX-HNL. I heard those flights are mostly full, but the airlines don't make much money on this route.

User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6740 times:

PHL BOS you have got one every hour on US and a few a day on FL.

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6719 times:

Quoting Juventus (reply 2):
LAX-HNL. I heard those flights are mostly full


Not necessarily over serviced then is it?

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How about Chicago-Southern California. We've got UA, AA, WN, TZ on this. Don't know about loads.

...Gosh, everyone posting here above me is a first class member. I'm just a coach class hobit...



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6526 times:

The trans-Tasman routes. 13 airlines, many flying wide bodies, link New Zealand and Australia. These nations have about 4 million and 17 million people respectively. It's hardly a huge market. Fares as low as USD$70 one way for a 3 hour flight. It's a blood bath.

User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6478 times:

Quoting Trolley Dolley (reply 5):
13 airlines


Wow! Can you give a list?

I can think of QF, NZ, JetStar, and Virgin B... What are the other 9?

Stefano


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6459 times:

Quoting Komododx (reply 6):
I can think of QF, NZ, JetStar, and Virgin B... What are the other 9?

Some others I could think of are Freedom Air and Emirates, and perhaps LAN.


User currently offlineToxicmegacolon From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

Houston-Dallas is pretty ridiculous.
20 dailies on Skyteam.
12 dailies on American.
I'm guesing there are other airlines on this route too.... Southwest?


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6390 times:

Quoting Toxicmegacolon (reply 8):
I'm guesing there are other airlines on this route too.... Southwest?


Ha..... just a few  Wink

28 DAL-HOU frequencies
28 HOU-DAL frequencies


User currently offlineMANmatt From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 969 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

What about LAX-LAS, when i was weighing up the options for this route, i came across UA, ted, HP and WN who all had multiple dailys on the route.

Matt


User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Airlines that fly trans-Tasman: NZ, QF, EK, TG, GA, MH, Freedom Air, LAN, JetStar. EK and TG have more than one flight daily as well....

User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

I would think that many US-HNL routes could be money losers - simply because many people are using award tickets or employees flying non-rev. I spoke with one of the old DL F/As here in DFW. She said that she remembers a few L10-11 flights DFW-HNL that had ZERO revenue pax.

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

AR also flies trans-tasman on A340-200s.

An obscenely served route would be Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro, there must be about 120 daily flights.

MAD-BCN has roughly 150 daily flights (smallest aircraft being 100 seaters).

also, SIN-KUL-SIN must have at least 4 hourly flights, mostly widebodies

[Edited 2005-03-06 00:36:31]

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6246 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (reply 13):
MAD-BCN has roughly 150 daily flights (smallest aircraft being 100 seaters).


yes but it is not overserved, the route has the market.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

DCA-NYC

with DL CO AA US going between JFK LGA EWR and DCA


User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

ORD-LGA has a flight every our I think, by UA and AA.Also TZ flies there, but out of Midway.Also CO does...NYC-Chicago has a helluva lots of flights.

Mike.



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

Quoting Alb222 (reply 1):

Plenty of flights, plenty of seats, low yield


And plenty of oversold flights 365 days a year. What is loss in yield is made up for in bulk.



a.
User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

JFK/LGA/EWR-FLL = 51 flights per day, 21 from B6 alone + 30 combined from Spirit, US, Delta, Continental and AA

User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (reply 3):
PHL BOS you have got one every hour on US and a few a day on FL.


Plus Manchester and Providence.



Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Quoting Wilcharl (reply 15):
DCA-NYC

with DL CO AA US going between JFK LGA EWR and DCA


Yea but this route is VERY valuable and is used heavily by business travelers. (Don't forget the continuation to Boston)


User currently offlineMidwest717 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

YYZ-YUL, flights leave every 30 min. all widebodies, and then air canada screws over its cities like Thunder Bay and Saskatoon with crappy service
-Paul


User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Quoting MANmatt (reply 10):
What about LAX-LAS, when i was weighing up the options for this route, i came across UA, ted, HP and WN who all had multiple dailys on the route.


Don't forget AA either

But I would have to say the most overserviced route is LAX-JFK You have:

QF,AA,UA,HP,DL,Song


User currently offlineAlb222 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 17):
And plenty of oversold flights 365 days a year. What is loss in yield is made up for in bulk.



Reminds me of the old story of selling a shirt and losing a $1 on each one but making it up on volume.
I'm flying SFO-JFK/LGA-FLL-ATL-SFO and the LGA-FLL part is $54.50........amazing price and I even get to watch TV!


User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

If you look at NYC-CHI with "NYC" being HPN/LGA/JFK/EWR and "CHI" ORD/MDW you end up with:

LGA-ORD: UA: 15, AA: 18, Total: 33
EWR-ORD: UA: 8, AA: 7, CO: 9, Total: 24
JFK-ORD: DL: 1, Total: 1
HPN-ORD: UA: 6, AA: 6: Total 12
LGA-MDW: TZ: 6, Total: 6
EWR-MDW: TZ: 4, Total: 4

NYC-ORD: Total: 70
NYC-MDW: Total: 10

NYC-CHI: Total: 80



"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
25 N1120A : LAX-HNL flights are always full. They also carry A LOT of cargo because aside from pineapples, fish, sugar and some pigs, they have to ship everythin
26 Jdwfloyd : dont forget about ISP to MDW or ORD, not sure if WN serves that route or not.
27 Usairways85 : Yes, you do have a large amount of capacity from PHL-PVD/BOS/MHT with US, WN, and FL. However with Southwest in the PHL-PVD/MHT market the O&D between
28 Post contains images JeffrySkY : SIN-KUL is no longer the heavily-serviced route as it used to be in the past ; i am surprised that people often quote it as the "most heavily serviced
29 Ckfred : On New York-Chicago, WN does fly MDW-ISP. AA also flies ORD-SWF, although that route, as well as ORD-HPN are being flown by Eagle since the Fokkers we
30 RCS763AV : Waht about MIA/FLL-MCO. There´s AA, Southwest, DL Connection, CO Connection....
31 PHLBOS : Since we're talking about a particular route/city, throwing in MHT and PVD doesn't apply in this case; even though WN considers MHT & PVD part of the
32 Usdcaguy : I know for a fact that loads on US and AA flights DCA-JFK and DCA-BOS are terrible. They don't make great money, and supply only matches demand on the
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