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Most Over Serviced Route In The US Or World Wide.  
User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6673 times:

What route has either too many seats, too much frequency or the cost per seat is too high? Or even what route has too many carriers serving it? This could be in the US or world wide.

32 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAlb222 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6635 times:

LGA/JFK/EWR-FLL

Song
Spirit
Continental
American
US
Jet Blue

Plenty of flights, plenty of seats, low yield


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6625 times:

LAX-HNL. I heard those flights are mostly full, but the airlines don't make much money on this route.

User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6579 times:

PHL BOS you have got one every hour on US and a few a day on FL.

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

Quoting Juventus (reply 2):
LAX-HNL. I heard those flights are mostly full


Not necessarily over serviced then is it?

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How about Chicago-Southern California. We've got UA, AA, WN, TZ on this. Don't know about loads.

...Gosh, everyone posting here above me is a first class member. I'm just a coach class hobit...



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

The trans-Tasman routes. 13 airlines, many flying wide bodies, link New Zealand and Australia. These nations have about 4 million and 17 million people respectively. It's hardly a huge market. Fares as low as USD$70 one way for a 3 hour flight. It's a blood bath.

User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

Quoting Trolley Dolley (reply 5):
13 airlines


Wow! Can you give a list?

I can think of QF, NZ, JetStar, and Virgin B... What are the other 9?

Stefano


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Quoting Komododx (reply 6):
I can think of QF, NZ, JetStar, and Virgin B... What are the other 9?

Some others I could think of are Freedom Air and Emirates, and perhaps LAN.


User currently offlineToxicmegacolon From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6245 times:

Houston-Dallas is pretty ridiculous.
20 dailies on Skyteam.
12 dailies on American.
I'm guesing there are other airlines on this route too.... Southwest?


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Quoting Toxicmegacolon (reply 8):
I'm guesing there are other airlines on this route too.... Southwest?


Ha..... just a few  Wink

28 DAL-HOU frequencies
28 HOU-DAL frequencies


User currently offlineMANmatt From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 969 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

What about LAX-LAS, when i was weighing up the options for this route, i came across UA, ted, HP and WN who all had multiple dailys on the route.

Matt


User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6128 times:

Airlines that fly trans-Tasman: NZ, QF, EK, TG, GA, MH, Freedom Air, LAN, JetStar. EK and TG have more than one flight daily as well....

User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

I would think that many US-HNL routes could be money losers - simply because many people are using award tickets or employees flying non-rev. I spoke with one of the old DL F/As here in DFW. She said that she remembers a few L10-11 flights DFW-HNL that had ZERO revenue pax.

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

AR also flies trans-tasman on A340-200s.

An obscenely served route would be Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro, there must be about 120 daily flights.

MAD-BCN has roughly 150 daily flights (smallest aircraft being 100 seaters).

also, SIN-KUL-SIN must have at least 4 hourly flights, mostly widebodies

[Edited 2005-03-06 00:36:31]


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6085 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (reply 13):
MAD-BCN has roughly 150 daily flights (smallest aircraft being 100 seaters).


yes but it is not overserved, the route has the market.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

DCA-NYC

with DL CO AA US going between JFK LGA EWR and DCA


User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5966 times:

ORD-LGA has a flight every our I think, by UA and AA.Also TZ flies there, but out of Midway.Also CO does...NYC-Chicago has a helluva lots of flights.

Mike.



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5960 times:

Quoting Alb222 (reply 1):

Plenty of flights, plenty of seats, low yield


And plenty of oversold flights 365 days a year. What is loss in yield is made up for in bulk.



a.
User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

JFK/LGA/EWR-FLL = 51 flights per day, 21 from B6 alone + 30 combined from Spirit, US, Delta, Continental and AA

User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (reply 3):
PHL BOS you have got one every hour on US and a few a day on FL.


Plus Manchester and Providence.



Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

Quoting Wilcharl (reply 15):
DCA-NYC

with DL CO AA US going between JFK LGA EWR and DCA


Yea but this route is VERY valuable and is used heavily by business travelers. (Don't forget the continuation to Boston)


User currently offlineMidwest717 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

YYZ-YUL, flights leave every 30 min. all widebodies, and then air canada screws over its cities like Thunder Bay and Saskatoon with crappy service
-Paul


User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5879 times:

Quoting MANmatt (reply 10):
What about LAX-LAS, when i was weighing up the options for this route, i came across UA, ted, HP and WN who all had multiple dailys on the route.


Don't forget AA either

But I would have to say the most overserviced route is LAX-JFK You have:

QF,AA,UA,HP,DL,Song


User currently offlineAlb222 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5881 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 17):
And plenty of oversold flights 365 days a year. What is loss in yield is made up for in bulk.



Reminds me of the old story of selling a shirt and losing a $1 on each one but making it up on volume.
I'm flying SFO-JFK/LGA-FLL-ATL-SFO and the LGA-FLL part is $54.50........amazing price and I even get to watch TV!


User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5810 times:

If you look at NYC-CHI with "NYC" being HPN/LGA/JFK/EWR and "CHI" ORD/MDW you end up with:

LGA-ORD: UA: 15, AA: 18, Total: 33
EWR-ORD: UA: 8, AA: 7, CO: 9, Total: 24
JFK-ORD: DL: 1, Total: 1
HPN-ORD: UA: 6, AA: 6: Total 12
LGA-MDW: TZ: 6, Total: 6
EWR-MDW: TZ: 4, Total: 4

NYC-ORD: Total: 70
NYC-MDW: Total: 10

NYC-CHI: Total: 80



"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
25 N1120A : LAX-HNL flights are always full. They also carry A LOT of cargo because aside from pineapples, fish, sugar and some pigs, they have to ship everythin
26 Jdwfloyd : dont forget about ISP to MDW or ORD, not sure if WN serves that route or not.
27 Usairways85 : Yes, you do have a large amount of capacity from PHL-PVD/BOS/MHT with US, WN, and FL. However with Southwest in the PHL-PVD/MHT market the O&D between
28 Post contains images JeffrySkY : SIN-KUL is no longer the heavily-serviced route as it used to be in the past ; i am surprised that people often quote it as the "most heavily serviced
29 Ckfred : On New York-Chicago, WN does fly MDW-ISP. AA also flies ORD-SWF, although that route, as well as ORD-HPN are being flown by Eagle since the Fokkers we
30 RCS763AV : Waht about MIA/FLL-MCO. There´s AA, Southwest, DL Connection, CO Connection....
31 PHLBOS : Since we're talking about a particular route/city, throwing in MHT and PVD doesn't apply in this case; even though WN considers MHT & PVD part of the
32 Usdcaguy : I know for a fact that loads on US and AA flights DCA-JFK and DCA-BOS are terrible. They don't make great money, and supply only matches demand on the
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