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The Next Air Force One?  
User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

The present Air Force One 747 is almost 20yrs old. Is there any idea what the next Air Force One will be? Does the president need the size of a 747/ 747adv or would the size of a 777 or 787 be enough? Then again if Airbus wins the Air Force Tanker deal and builds a factory in the U.S could the next Air Force One be an Airbus?

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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Quoting JAM747 (Thread starter):
The present Air Force One 747 is almost 20yrs old.

In about five years or so. The current VC-25 is still in it's infant stage compared to it's airline serving counter parts. Don't look for an "Air Force One" replacement for at least 10-15 years at the very minimum.

But to answer the question, look for it to be a 747ADV.


User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Not sure.. but I do know that because of the huge number of contracts the government does with Boeing, it will most likely not be an Airbus.

User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

I agree, I dont think that it will be an airbus. I think that it will either be an 747-400 or a 747-ADV. Because the presidant means power and not a better way to show it than an american, huge, powerful 747-400 or ADV. The 747 is everything the Presidant is supposed to stand for. Well thats my opinion.

aerlingus330



Aer Lingus Airbus A330-300
User currently offlineAeroVodochody From Czech Republic, joined Feb 2005, 540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Wouldn't it be weird to see the U.S. president flying around in a foreign plane? Or maybe it's just me...
Would the A380 be too big?



Try not to be jealous, we can't all be Czech.
User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 4):
Would the A380 be too big?

Not for President Bush. Big grin
But a big plane is political better than a small one. Big plane - strong country.

But to come back to the topic.

It will definatly be no Airbus, expect a Boeing. But think about that how long the 707's flew. Weren't they introduced in the 60's and outphased in the 90's?

Bye, Georg.


User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Quoting Aerlingus330 (Reply 3):
s. I think that it will either be an 747-400 or a 747-ADV. Because the presidant means power and not a better way to show it than an american, huge, powerful 747-400 or ADV.

Yea. That's what I'm thinking too. It would probobly be the 747-ADV.

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 4):
Wouldn't it be weird to see the U.S. president flying around in a foreign plane?

Haha yea I was thinking that too. Which is probobly one of the reasons the US government does most of their stuff with Boeing.. It's Made in the US.

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 4):
Would the A380 be too big?

Heck no! Er at least not for the president. :p But once again, Boeing's a/c are made in the USA as previously mentioned so yea.

geek


User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Right now it would be a 747-400/ER, in future years a 747ADV if it happens or possibly a 777-300/ER if it doesn't. I can't imagine the US Government buying passanger aircraft that aren't Boeing.


A340-300 - slow, but awesome!
User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2069 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

The main Air Force 1 will probably have to be a four engine jet because of the performance requirements. They do not want to take off from some remote part of the world, suck in some ducks, turn around and wait for a new GE90 to arrive. Since it might need to serve as a military command center and it needs to protect the President the safety factor of four engines is significant consideration since in an emergency they do not want to cancel the flight because of a questionable engine or engine damage from an attack. For most overseas trips, the 747 is the only option.

For political reasons, they will probably not buy an Airbus, unless it is built mostly in the U.S. Perhaps Airbus could create a kit, like Douglas did with several planes sold to China as parts and assembled there. It still seems highly unlikely, but the new Marine 1 opened the door on that possibility.

The Air Force always seems to purchase the previous generation of planes so they will probably stick with the current 747s and 757s that they are using for quite some time. The current Air Force 1 ended up being the last 747-200s because the planning started before the -400 program, although the first -400s had already rolled of the line before the new Air Force 1 was complete. They were still flying the Kennedy era 707s long after they had disappeared from airline fleets, and could have flown them to this day because of the low number of cycles on them.


User currently offlineSnowJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 207 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

I say they should try on the 777 for size...I think it would do a fantastic job. I've flown on them several times, and the 777 would be a great choice. Probably will end up being another 747 though.


Jaysen F. Snow - Midwest Tail Chasers
User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3727 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

I agree with what's been said above...either a 747-400 or a 777 variant.

DeltaRules



Let's Kick the Tires & Light the Fires!!
User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 4):
Wouldn't it be weird to see the U.S. president flying around in a foreign plane?

I didn't think either that the next Air Force One would be a foreign plane, I only threw in the " Airbus" thought because of the recent Marine One situation.

I know the current Air Force One has a lot of life left in , but I wanted see other peoples' opinion of when the time does come for a placement. It could be at that time that the 747 advanced will be in production or the aviation industry or a/c choices could be different than now


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

The B747Adv
I dont think the A380 would do.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Can anyone fill me in with the Marine 1 situation everyone is talking about?
Regards



Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 8):
The main Air Force 1 will probably have to be a four engine jet because of the performance requirements. They do not want to take off from some remote part of the world, suck in some ducks, turn around and wait for a new GE90 to arrive

Ok.. so that would pretty much rule out the possibility for the A330 and 777.


User currently offlineAeroVodochody From Czech Republic, joined Feb 2005, 540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

I was thinking the A380 might not be able to go into some airports, and that in that case the president would have to use a different A/C. Otherwise I'm sure he would like the extra space.


Try not to be jealous, we can't all be Czech.
User currently offlineIgorFanS70 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

With regards to 767-332ER's request, may I provide some info on the Marine 1 question?

I believe, IMHO, that an Airbus may be a choice for an AF1 replacement, as the Navy has chosen as a replacement for the current fleet of Marine 1's (VH-3D's and VH-60's, made by Sikorsky Aircraft) the US-101, made by Augusta-Westland primarily in Italy and the UK, with final assembly in the US by Lockheed-Martin. Some say it was for political reasons, to reward our overseas friends for Iraq involvement, some say it was the better aircraft, but that is irrelevant. What is important is that it opened our (US) purchases to real overseas competitors. With the Air Force order in question, I agree that Airbus has no reason not to be a contender for this order, as many of you have pointed out the virtues of the different aircraft possibly in consideration. This is my first post, and I hope it was helpful. Personally, I am a fan of.....Airbus.


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