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Varig Or Lufthansa To EZE  
User currently offlineJfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 339 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

I'm planning a trip that will route me FRA-GRU-EZE in mid-June. I'm using Star Alliance points so I'm limited to Varig and Lufthansa (the other options transit through North America, which increases the # of points required).

My main concern is the FRA-GRU flight, as that's nearly 12 hours. Here are my options:

Lufthansa B744
Lufthansa A346
Varig B772

I'll be in economy class. As far as I can tell, neither of the Lufthansa planes have PTVs, which would be somewhat nice. I looked on Varig's site and did some Googling, and I couldn't find seat maps or information about if they offer PTVs in economy class. Does anyone know?

Any recommendations for which to take? I've never been on the A346 before, but according to seatguru.com I have 1 less inch of seat pitch on LH's A346 versus the B744. My main concerns are comfort (space), followed by PTVs, followed by food/service.

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User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Well i can not tell you about Varig but i flew FRA-GRU-SCL on an A346 of LH last Friday. As for me because i am 6 ft 4 it was quite narrow because LH only has a seat pitch of 31". Then again the A346 is a wonderful plane to fly in and i really enjoyed the friendly service of LHs FAs. The PVT option is a point but if VARIG doesn´t have any PVTs as well so i would rather stick to LH because i would rather fly an A346 then on a 777 because it has a very drz cabin and im sensible to that.

It still is a question of likes and dislikes and you have to decide yourself.

Good luck and a good flight in june



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User currently offlineJfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

Thanks for the information. I did a search on this site, and based on 772 cabin pictures, it appears that Varig does have PTV's. Can anyone verify that this would also be for the 772s on the FRA-GRU run?


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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

As fas as I know, RG has PTV on it's 777. Their MD11 doesn't.

User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3451 times:

If the seat pitch is the same or even better you should consider taking Varig. 12 hours without PVT and only crappy radiochannels can bore the sh*t out off you.


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User currently offlineFMAL From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3418 times:

I know that PP-VRA and PP-VRB has PTVs in economy. What I'm not sure is if the later models (ex-BA and ex-UAL) also has the PTVs.

Is Varig flying regularly the 777 to FRA? I've seen some flights heading that way with the MD-11.


User currently offlineLima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Yes but I think Varig does not use the 777 from Frankfurt, only MD11 unless they change the equipment. So anyway you would find no PTV on both options.

Even a long flight, it is a nightime one. You leave FRA late in the evening and arrive GRU first thing in the morning. You can catch sleep so is not that bad.

You stay in Sao Paulo or you continue direct to Buenos Aires? If it is Lufthansa, you fly the 747-400 and remain on the aircraft during the stop to GRU. Then you have a couple more hours to EZE. There is a very good trip report writen recently over this flight (by user Marambio, on Trip reports). Check it out.


User currently offlineJfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

According to the schedule on staralliance.com, Varig is using a 772 on flight 8741 FRA-GRU on 15 June. Is there a reason to believe that information is inaccurate?

On that routing, I would have to switch planes to a Varig MD-11 (RG8640) for the GRU-EZE leg. I normally need a visa to travel to Brazil. Would it not be necessary since I'm just transiting? I've heard of some airports where you have to go through immigration if you are transiting between 2 terminals in the same airport. It's been a long time since I was in GRU, so I don't remember how things were set up there.


User currently offlineLima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

I transit very often at GRU and never had to do inmigration. You only go again through security. Since Lufthansa and Varig operate from the same pier, you just leave the aircraft, walk to the end and re-enter the gate area.

User currently offlineMarambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Good evening,

Varig operates the Boeing 777-200 from Sao Paulo to Frankfurt, mainly because they codeshare with Lufthansa and they want both airlines to have about the same equipment level (comfort wise).

Out of the three routes you mention, I'd first of all eliminate the LH 346 one. Having flown the 346 about six times, the aircraft isn't anything to write home about. Seat pitch is 31 inches and legroom is simply ridiculous, although this seems to be normal in all Lufthansa intercontinental planes.

The 744 is a bit better in my opinion, the seat pitch and legroom being somewhat wider (still very average). You won't get PTVs either, but personally I like the 747 more than the 346. Service is usually good, yet it depends a lot on the crew you get. Besides, the 744 flight would be a couple of hours shorter, since the lay-over at GRU is a mere 45 minutes, instead of some 3 hours.

As of Varig, they are a good airline, too. Their 777s all have PTVs, although they are not AVOD. They are currently serving EZE with a mix of M11s and 737s, which are ok for a 2:30-flight. Service in Varig is good, but you also rely a lot on your crew's humour. Food tends to be about the same in both RG and LH.

I'm just writing out of my personal experiences. I'm a very frequent flier with LH (Senator), and next July I believe I'll give a try to RG. Both products are about the same, so it's up to you!

Saludos,
Marambio



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User currently offlineAntiuser From Italy, joined May 2004, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

I believe all of RG's 777s have PTVs. The programming differs from aircraft to aircraft, though.


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User currently offlineJfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Thanks for all the information. I just booked my flights. I was using FF miles and the RG flights had no more seats, so I'm on the LH 744 FRA-GRU-EZE and back again. My trip is originating out of TLL so on the way over I'll be on an LH 735, and coming back I take an LH 735 FRA-WAW, then an LO ERJ145 to TLL (this was the quickest routing to minimize time spent in FRA).

No PTVs on the 744, so I guess I'll just hope the movies that play when I'm awake are interesting!  Wink


User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 hour ago) and read 2960 times:

Well enjoy your flight then. I will fly back to FRA in May and i would love to fly on the 744 but i have to take the A346. Don't think i don't like the Airbus though but i would love to fly the Queen of the skies...

Cheers
Matt



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