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Pilots: Do You Feel You're Paid Enough?  
User currently offlineCaptainTim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

I just read an article recently taht Netjets Pilot are striking to their mother company and the CEO Berkshire Hathaway and Warren Buffet becuase of terrible pay and benefits..

"Eighteen percent of our pilots make a salary that qualifies them for public assistance -- that is unacceptable"

is it really that bad?? does any other pilot feel that their company should pay them more? and is it really true that nowadays pilots can be paid so low that hthey qualify for welfare??

thanks
tim


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User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Quoting CaptainTim (Thread starter):
is it really true that nowadays pilots can be paid so low that hthey qualify for welfare??

Yep, very true. For the first few years pilots with a family can qualify for food stamps. Kinda sad, but once you get some senority the pay does go up...

-Sam



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User currently offlineUAalltheway From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

May be a little off-topic, but the average jetblue First officer makes $52,896.48 a month (statistical average). For quite a while after getting emoloyeed by an airline I'll proboly just be living in an apartment at some major hub or something, so I should be pretty good for a while.  Smile

User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

That still isnt good pay for a First Officer. For successfully and safely getting people across the country, they deserve way more than that.

User currently offlineSwimpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

Okay, I think you mean that they get paid $52,896.48 a year. And yes that is the "Average" go to www.airlinepilotpay.com and look up JetBlue, the get paid by the flight hour and a first Officer starts at $51,00 and hour and is guaranteed to be paid for at least 70 hours a month so that is at least $42,840 a year. So yes, there are pilots that make more than $52,896.98 but there are also pilots that get paid less. Considering that we spend so much money on our education, I think, (like Doctors who spend a lot of money on their education), should get paid well at the start. But that is my opinion. swimpilot

User currently offlineUAalltheway From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 4154 times:

Quoting jetblue:
Estimated annual pay based on 81 hours (projected average) per month would be $52,896.48 (plus per diem of $2.00/hour)

I dunno.. maybe it is talking about year.


User currently offlineFutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

I have a question here. Looking at the pilot pay rates for CO on that website, lets say I'm hired and am getting paid on the "LN First Officer" pay scale. I fly as FO for 6 years, so I assume Id be making $100 and hour at the time, then lets say I upgrade to LN Captain. Would I start over from year one since it is my first year as a Capt. and be making $30 an hour again, or, because I have 6yrs. with the airline would I make $155 an hour?

Thanks for the help!



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User currently offlineSwimpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

You would start over. It is kinda like a probation period. But, after a year you will jump up again to $150 then $151, and so-on. It works out to be a crap load of money in the end.

User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

The lowest payed F/O in regional airlines make 19 dollars an hour for around 75 hours a month you can do the math. Like any other high paying industry the workers go through some bad times to make that 100k salary during the first 5 to 10 years.

Doctors - 20K or more/year as ER doctors for fist 5 to 10 years,
Lawyers - 20kto 40K/first couple of years,
Real estate associate - 30k/year first couple of years years,
Pilots - welfare first year.


User currently offlineSwimpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

I have to disagree with you there. My brother-in-law is a recent graduate of Loma Linda Medical University and he has been a practicing Doctor for about 2 years now, and being a pediatrician, he has told me that he makes around $75,000 a year AFTER mal-practice is taken deducted. So, Doctors make the money right out of school. Lawyers I dont know about, but, I am guessing, if you can get the clients, you can get the money. We are just jipped when it comes to making money for the start.

User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

First year pilots at a regional airline make pretty crappy money. The lowest paid pilot right now makes about the same as the average bus driver. It gets better after the first year, but not much. Check out airlinepilotcentral.com
It gives you an idea of what pilots make. The FAA does not allow them to fly for more then 1000 hours a year, and most dont get anywhere near that.


User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 6):
I have a question here. Looking at the pilot pay rates for CO on that website, lets say I'm hired and am getting paid on the "LN First Officer" pay scale. I fly as FO for 6 years, so I assume Id be making $100 and hour at the time, then lets say I upgrade to LN Captain. Would I start over from year one since it is my first year as a Capt. and be making $30 an hour again, or, because I have 6yrs. with the airline would I make $155 an hour?

To the best of my knowledge, before becoming a Captian of any airplane, you will first progess to widebody FO. Then you would start again as an SN captain.

edit: this is assuming you go along with regular seniority ranks and dont chose to stay on one aircraft for an extremely long period of time.

[Edited 2005-05-05 01:02:26]

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Quoting Swimpilot (Reply 9):
and being a pediatrician, he has told me that he makes around $75,000 a year AFTER mal-practice is taken deducted.

Yes, but he did complete four years of college, four years of medical school, and worked essentially as a slave (up until a few years ago it was not uncommon to have a resident working 120 hours a week). So factor in those bills and tell me what he makes.

I probably shouldn't say this on an aviation site, but IMO being a doctor is ten times harder than being a pilot.

AA.ndrew


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 12):
I probably shouldn't say this on an aviation site, but IMO being a doctor is ten times harder than being a pilot.

You're right you shouldn't!

Ok, I spent 4 years in college 2 years Masters, 10 years military (active duty) and 10 years ANG. I grew up with one of my parents who was a surgeon. Is being a physician a tough job, yes. Tougher than an airline pilot? I wouldn't say it's tougher, it's just as stressful, but not tougher. Funny thing is I don't know of any doctors who have to pass the boards every 6 months, have to have a physical every 6 months.

Just my opinion.


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 6):
I have a question here. Looking at the pilot pay rates for CO on that website, lets say I'm hired and am getting paid on the "LN First Officer" pay scale. I fly as FO for 6 years, so I assume Id be making $100 and hour at the time, then lets say I upgrade to LN Captain. Would I start over from year one since it is my first year as a Capt. and be making $30 an hour again, or, because I have 6yrs. with the airline would I make $155 an hour?

I am pretty sure you would not have to restart because don't you usually go to being a captain to make more money?

Also, there is no way you will get to be a captain in six years at CO now, lol.

-SOAC



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