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So... I'm Not Sure If I Like Aviation Anymore  
User currently offlineKLM672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2441 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8000 times:

This is something I'd never thought I'd be writing. I recently took a trip to Frankfurt, Germany on vacation and flew with Air Canada from Montreal to frankfurt and back. To keep this fairly short, I felt the flight was a bit boring, and didn't get much of a thrill out of the flight Frankfurt Airport, or the whole aspect in general. Yes, i did get all excited to feel the powere of the engines, and the scenery, but...it was just different. I thought FRA would be busier. Last time I flew was last year on British Airways from Montreal to London and back and it was a 777. It was a thrill to be on a 777 and to see busy heathrow. Maybe the fact that it was a step down (both aircraft size and airport size) has something to do with it. Also some factors are that the pilot didn't say much about the flight, said "we'll be at 36,000ft") on the way up and little info was given on the way back. No mention of what countries flew over either. No map was shown on the tv screen. I was just wondering if it is that big of a conern that I wasn't "OMG a plane" excited as I was normally, if i should kinda ditch avation (i'd hate to--because its my life). I always wanted to be a pilot, but nthe last few years i wanted to be a cabin crew member, but the long haul really takes a lot out of me.
Thoughts? And is this normal, has it happened to you?
Thanks,
Andre

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User currently offlineOhTheDrama747 From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

After reading this, it sounds as if you have cancer or something.

Just because you don't get a massive 'thrill' doesn't mean you should ditch it. Things get less exciting over time i suppose.

I used to want to be a pilot more than anything...but i'm not sure anymore. Still though, i like aviation stuff, i like seeing the planes and i love flying.

I think you are being slightly OTT.

G


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

I have flown so many times, that the childlike excitement I used to feel, isnt always there anymore and also because for me, the meals, the drinks, the hot towels, the sweets, the variety of aircraft types were all part and parcel of the experience.

Nowadays, its like getting on a bus and every flight is either an A320 or 737. I would love to go back to the days of the huge variety of aircraft types. I grew up flying on the 1-11, Trisar, DC10, 727.


User currently offlineKLM672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2441 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7863 times:

Sorry to be so dramatic, it was a first for me, and yeah i think the kid like thing is gone. Thanks for the responses, and I am glad that I am the only one that is not like this, although i didn't think I would be. yeah like you said Orion737, its like (exciting as) going on a bus.
Andre

[Edited 2005-07-21 18:28:12]

User currently offlineKjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 975 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

This year, I have done more flying than I have ever done in previous years. All of this in addition to my flight training makes going to the airport and hopping on an airplane feel all so routine.

Also, airline travel is not what it used to be (at least in the US). No more meals or anything. Added to that, you have the pleasure of the increased security measures that makes one feel as if they are a terrorist. Air travel has become just another form of mass transit. Perhaps this has contributed to your lack of enthusiasm.

I remember going through this same thing about a year ago and if I recall correctly, I posted about this same topic. I wouldn't ditch aviation. The aviation and the airline industry is still quite fascinating and is always changing. I hope this helps you a bit.

Kris



AA - Doing what we do best.
User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1630 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

Hi Andre-

Sorry to hear about your (I hope temporary) loss of interest in aviation.

I agree with what Kris said above; although the actual aircraft of today are certainly anything but boring, often the process of flying, with the increase in security and the decrease in comfort, leaves something to be desired. As mentioned above, aviation unfortunately appears to be turning into simply another form of mass transit. With LCCs like Ryanair offering extremely affordable fares but nearly no comfort, the days of legacy carriers and the glamor of air travel may well be numbered.

However, as much as you may detest the ordeal that you have to go through just to get on the plane, never forget how amazing these machines are. Don't let the September 11 Security Fee keep you from savoring the exciting feeling of being pressed back into your seat on takeoff. Don't let the absence of extra legroom or a decent meal keep you from feeling excited about a crosswind greaser.

Try not to make the assumption that you're done with aviation after just one mediocre flight. I'd be willing to bet that the next time you fly on a 777 into LHR, you'll regain your excitement. Sometimes, routine is perceived as boredom. Even though you may fly every day, the thrill of flying never totally disappears. Once you've been bitten by the flying bug, you can't ignore it.

Hope this helps!

-Ryan biggrin 



B-52s don't take off. They scare the ground away.
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7526 times:

Quoting KLM672 (Thread starter):
Thoughts? And is this normal, has it happened to you?

I simply try to avoid inferior airlines with bad service, stone age IFE and uncaring F/As, as well as boring aircraft and crappy airports. Helps a lot...  Wink


Regards
Udo


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Nothing wrong with it: that's what makes the world go 'round.

And the comment in post 2 about cancer was in poor taste...


User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7453 times:

Well, there is a reason why a very large airplane company is called AirBUS  Wink

It is kind of sad. I still do love traveling, but as was stated before, it is no more the glory and fancy way to travel. It's just like a bus or train. But, with new airlines, new planes, new or updated airports coming on line, there is still some thrill left. Even here at AA-land, the opening of Terminal D, the addition of Mexicana, and the Skylink drown out the ho-hum of flying the same MD-80 to every destination.

It's all about perspective, I guess.  Smile


User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

Hmmmm I detect a slight against AC and their service standards there Udo  Smile No worries, I'm not about to argue.
As for perceived boredom with aviation, the best antidote for that in my experience is to try something new within aviation.
For example, go on a familiarization flight with a flight instructor, you'll get to fly something like a 172 for half an hour or so and if you've never done that before I guarantee it'll re-ignite a spark for you. And it shouldn't be THAT expensive. (I know a 172 isn't exactly an F-16, but trust me its still tons of fun.)
Or conversely you could find a new aviation video title and give that a watch on a slow night. The ITVV series are excellent or any World Air Routes from an exotic location or with an aircraft type you have never been on will usually make for an interesting watch.
Just a couple of suggestions. But I wouldn't worry, its probably just a bad week or something. As soon as you don't think about aviation for a couple of weeks and then come back to it it'll probably be fun all over again.  Smile



Give me a mile of road and I can take you a mile. Give me a mile of runway and I can show you the world.
User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7378 times:

Fly Air Canada with a Western based English speaking crew from Vancouver or Calgary, make sure you're on an Airbus, not the B767 and you'll have a much better experience. Oh and yes - you definitely have to fly to LHR, nothing else compares!

User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

Wait a second , you want to quit aviation because of the lack of scenery outside your window?  scratchchin 

-SA006



Proudly South African
User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1999 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7318 times:
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KLM672, if your profile is correct, I was working in the airline industry before you were even born. Your loss of enthusiasm is making me feel very old. Yes, despite the advances in aviation technology that make the 787 or A380 possible, the actual travel experience has definitely declined, moreso lately than ever before.

Face it, travel just ain't what it used to be. A flight on a 707 or DC8 was far more exciting than the rather bland generic experience of a 767 or A330. Sorry you weren't around back then. Likewise, I wish I had been around in the days of the great Flying Boats!

While it will no doubt be exciting to ride the new 787 or A380 for the first time, the novelty will no doubt wear off fast. The thought of being reduced to just one of millions of passengers herded through airports on a daily basis tends to do that!



It's been swell, but the swelling has gone down.
User currently offlineJetblue15 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

Maybe this relates. Starting my first aviation job everything seems busy and exciting. Everything is big such as the terminal the ramp and of course the planes. Everything is loud but then you get used to it. Still love the job but now everything is smaller and at times not very exciting. One thing that remand though is its noisey as all hell. Point of the story. Things don't have to be exciting all the time but as long as you get it every now and then it makes life that much sweeter. I should do greeting cards  Smile

Jetblue15



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User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

Andre,
You get what you make out if it. I have been on many boring flights as you described but I did not even think of not liking aviation. I just kept thinking to myself WOW, this is amazing that I can get in this large tube with not much separting me from the atmosphere, fly to Singapore, Paris, Nairobi, Brazil, South Africa, etc in less than a day! These are all places I have flown, and the pilots did not say much but how much is there to say when you are flying over primarily Ocean...For those passenegers on the right if you look out your window you will see the moon reflecting off the water, for those on the left you will still see the moon reflecting on the water. I have had many more great experiences than bad...The best has been overflying the Panama Canal at 2,000 feet on a CO 727!! Obviously you do not have the love of aviation that you think. I am 30 now, have always loved flying since a kid, bought a plane and still have to try and see every plane that flies over my house and wonder where they are going and to think how proud the pilots must be to be flying such an amazing machine. If just because the pilot did not talk much and Frankfurt was boring turns you off from aviation maybe you should find something else. It is not like football or something where you can like it one year and not the next. The whole aspect of aviation is a passion and if you plan on pursuing the field your heart has to be in it 100%. I would hate to see the pilot who just shrugs his shoulders and says it is just a job. Oh and if you think it is as exciting as riding a bus, why don't you try to do that for 8- 10 hours and I bet you sure will appreciate your flight a whole lot more.

[Edited 2005-07-21 22:32:43]


Propeller, we don't need no stinkin propeller
User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

You know, I think its a good thing if flights are uneventlful.
That's the way it should be.



Cookies are the Gateway pastry. They lead to Éclairs and Bear Claws.
User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7157 times:

Quoting KLM672 (Thread starter):
No mention of what countries flew over either.

Well..part of our hobbie should be guess in which Country are we flying, That's what I do with my GPS  Smile



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User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Every time I have to endure a Trans-Atlantic flight, I cease to be an aviation enthusiast for at least 72 hours afterwards... Relax, it's perfectly normal.

-WGW2707


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6991 times:

I love avaition, but u dont have to get excited on every single flt.

I took my first 737 to LGW a few weeks ago (still have my TR to do) and it was good. The way back was my first 735, i read my book and was not that impressed with the flt itself (dont think i like the 73 that much)

Still love flying though


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6994 times:

I love avaition, but u dont have to get excited on every single flt.

I took my first 737 to LGW a few weeks ago (still have my TR to do) and it was good. The way back was my first 735, i read my book and was not that impressed with the flt itself (dont think i like the 73 that much)

Still love flying though


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

I have had periods of it, where I flew so much I was sick of it for a month. But then later id be asking about any other flying trips in the future. I am more excited about the airport stuff, and the waiting to fly, and the boarding the plane and take off. but once in the air, I get bored. Then I get excited again once we start the landing. Once in a blue moon ill ignore planes for a few hours or days.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineOhTheDrama747 From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 7):
Nothing wrong with it: that's what makes the world go 'round.

And the comment in post 2 about cancer was in poor taste...

Oh for God's sake.

Seriously, no harm was meant by it. But the original poster was a bit dramatic about it.

Sorry to offend you.


User currently offline727EMflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

Second the motion to take action on the pilot gig! A little over a year ago I took an intro flight as a birthday present from my wife. I had wanted to fly for so long, but everytime I thought about the cost I just turned sour. Well she got sick of me gazing out the window at the arrivals to HNL, of which I had a perfect view, and nearly crashing (according to her) the car each time we drove by the airport (Great view of HA and AQ ops plus remote stands and Cargo/GA ramp along freeway by HNL). Again I was reluctant to actually call the flight school to schedule since I figured I wouldn't continue due to the cost. Well, I was right, I didn't take any more lessons with that school because after discussing Part 61 vs. Part 141 with a couple pilots and found a more affordable place to learn. After another intro with their instructor, gravity couldn't keep me down!

User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6830 times:
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After this short of time you are bored. Now imagines how bored the crew is. Now imagine you as the crew. Now pick a new career, one where you never get bored and call us back.

I'm not being hyper critical but realistic. Career dreams are not salved by pie in the sky imaginings but actual reality. Travel is now a commodity reduced to it's most utalitarian possibilities served by employees who have, for many, become a source or revenue for cash strapped corporations. It will not get better because as fuel increases everything else decreases. No Alaskan oil field will change a thing.



Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

KLM672,

I think you just lost that childlike excitement in flying that we all experienced when we were younger. I used to have that same feeling of excitement when flying, and while I still do, it is a lot less than I used to. But I still have it and I still enjoy flying. The fact also that planes are getting a little bit quieter, smoother, less exciting to fly and see, and the fact that aircraft variety is getting less and smaller.

I think another reason is the fact that airline traveling has become less convenient, comfortable, and enjoyable as a result of the increased security at airports and the fact that airlines are cutting back in service and as others have mentioned....become simply a form of transportation and not much more.

When I was young, my interest in aviation was simply flying on planes and watching them. It doesn't matter what route or the airline. I just enjoyed the thrills of take-offs, landings and the flying in general. Now my main interest in aviation is the airline industry and following the progression of aircraft development. At the same time, I still enjoy flying as I used to when I was young, but that childlike "thrill" is much less. I still enjoy watching planes and walking around the different gates in airports. This is an enjoyment I don't think will ever fade for me.

What your experiencing is perfectly normal and I would not say you are losing an interest in aviation, as long as you enjoy following the airline industry, the evolvement of aircraft, and of course browsing this addictive website.  Smile

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
25 C5onknees : Flying on any airline as a Passenger sucks, I would never do it for fun. I'm sure it's a better trip if your the Captain.
26 HBIHLtoEZE : As a teenager I was thrilled whenever I had the opportunity to fly, now the thrill is not so present anymore, however something else, very enjoyable o
27 Post contains images VirginA340 : Andre, Just as 'G' stated, you shouldn't ditch the whole interest in aviation because of one flight. There are many airlines out there, especially in
28 Post contains images Nonrevman : My wife and I only took one trip this summer, and it was only for a week. We would have given anything to have an uneventful flight as you described.
29 Jetdeltamsy : It's simple. If aviation is your "life", then you must pursue it. Be prepared for a roll-coaster career. (understatement) If you can do something els
30 Jafa39 : There are good days and there are average days, its all to do with bio-rythms, ask any Tokyo taxi driver. Better bored than scared though, eh mate?
31 Zweed : industrialized country problem of the day
32 AirWillie6475 : Montreal to Frankfurt huh? Try flying LAX to Frankfurt on Lufthansa. After that experience everytime I try to make plans to fly to Europe I second gue
33 Kykevin54 : I have loved airplanes since I was a little kid. In the past few years, I have become fascinated with the inner workings of the industry and spend a f
34 Post contains images B787 : IT's called getting older! The mind and senses change, other things start to matter and you get other priorities. I loved aviation as a kid/teenager.
35 Baw716 : Andre, As in all things, we evolve. So does Aviation. We are at a critical juncture in aviation, at the beginning of the 21st century. Actually, if yo
36 Silver1SWA : Because I fly a lot more often than I used to, the child-like thrill of flying surely is not there anymore. But I still love to fly, and I still love
37 Shenzhen : I can only hope that I am sleeping before the wheels leave the ground, and I wake up as we taxi in. Cheers
38 Fastenseatbelt : Maybe you are just not passionate enough about aviation...I get excited whenever I am in a plane...I don't care about the pilot or maps on the screen.
39 ZKSUJ : Its probably a slight dip more than anything else. Give it a while, and you will be up there again. I'm sure all of us have been through times like th
40 Post contains images UAalltheway : I feel the exact same way... but it's because I was stuck on DL for 7 hrs yesterday. My feelings will certainly change in about 8 hrs...
41 Post contains images Comorin : Flying is the most incredible experience available to the common man. Remember 80% of the planet's population can only dream about flying someday. Fro
42 ZKEOJ : FRA is the second busiest airport in Europe, and I can't believe it is "quiet" - especially when the flights from North America arrive, because that i
43 BAViscount : Having lived and breathed civil aviation as a kid/teenager, I actually found that I went through a phase a few years back where my interest died almos
44 Post contains images HighFlyer9790 : Andre, (in a fast paced, psychologist way of speaking) this is a typical depression one will go through when going from big to small. Stay indoors, ge
45 Kilavoud : You should try the space!!! If I were younger I would like to be a spacewalker. Cheers. Kilavoud.
46 Post contains images SkySurfer : KLM, I used to be sooo much into spotting (ie, logging registrations etc) but then i didn't do it for a while and i couldn't be bothered. But i still
47 Checo77 : Exactly my words, thanks Udo for saying this, it is more true than anything. I invest more money to fly with a better airline, in a better plane thro
48 HZ747300 : Well, well, well, ... It is tough because airports and air travel are not the same experience that it used to be. But for me the destination anticipat
49 Raichuzai : I lost interested in flights also...Last flight from JFK-HKG, a 16 hour flight on an A346, the legroom was tiny, flight attendants were not pretty(as
50 Airbear : ...and how long have you been having these thoughts, my son? C'mon...there are good days flying, and some very ordinary ones too. These days, probably
51 Stall : You should consider to learn to fly. There is so much to discover that's it is impossible to get bored. Fly as a pilot instead of as passenger
52 GRZ-AIR : Reason is the slave of passion! I for my part couldn't care less about how stupid and useless and exhausting the security issues have become, or how
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