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RG MD-11 AMS-CDG...Is It Really That Bad?  
User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

This isn't a trip report, so sorry in advance, but i am worried, after reading some very negative reports of Varig's service, especially on this routing, as I have a connection, and I am booked on the Varig flight from AMS - CDG on the 18/8.
Any input welcome,
Thanks
Alex

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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4505 times:

You're flying AMS to CDG and this is what I think;

1) the cabin will be cleaned, and looking fresh again
2) the crew is changed at AMS, so they're 'fresh' as well and willing to serve you
3) ground staff at AMS is much better than at CDG
4) ...you're still flying a very empty MD11!!  Smile


I think you'll be fine on this flight! I also enjoyed flying with RG. It's not that bad at all in my opinion.

Enjoy your flight!

Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Thanks Eric. Whats the typical loadfactor for one of these flights then?
Alex


User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

I´ve taken that flight in May (also AMS-CDG) and everything went well. Frederic (I think it is his report you are refering to) had tons of bad luck and the probability that something similar will happen to you is very low. If you´re interested, my trip report can be found here:

For the Sake of Flying the MD-11:AMS-CDG-CGN +pics

Daniel


User currently offlineSXMbyKLM747 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

I flew RG M11 AMS-CDG in June, and i am very positive about it. Service was good, sandwich was "eatable", and a friendly crew. Load was about 40% I guess. Rather empty flight. Really enjoyed it, especcially the take off performance of those PW engines.
Rgds,
Robbert



MST/EHBK
User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

I flew this route a few weeks back. The MD-11 is a beast, our flight was 75% full (Airshow weekend) and you could still feel the power. For the cost of the ticket, it's a bargain!

Do it, while you can!



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 2):
Whats the typical loadfactor for one of these flights then?

When I flew it last weeks Thursday, load was just below 40 pax on CDG-AMS. That means a loadfactor of about 15%! Just amazing on a MD11  Smile



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8941 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 4426 times:

You could also have tried RG's GRU-LHR-CPH-LHR-GRU service, although I think they are a bit pricy (at least not as good as CDG/AMS). This flight, as with the AMS, is flown mostly for cargo/first/business pax, so loads should be comparable to AMS's.

Cheers,
PPVRA



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User currently offlineEurofleetLHR From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

I flew CDG-AMS on the RG MD11 in May last year, in Business Class.
The single check-in desk at CDG was eventually opened nearly an hour later than expected (maybe they did not expect anyone to be joining the flight!), and was told it was "free-seating" ie pick an empty seat once on board the 'plane.
The cabin had been semis-cleaned - no items of cutlery/crockery to be found, but lots of used headsets, blankets and newspapers littered in seat pockets, overhead bins.
The cabin was about a third full, and the crew who joined the flight just served a sandwich and an orange juice - the bar remained firmly closed for the whole flight.

Take-off was awesome - a real surge of power and a short take-off roll, followed by a steep and steady climb.

I would imagine flying AMS-CDG is probably more organised check-in wise, as there will be pax flying on to Brazil. I also would think that the aircraft is cleaned more thoroughly . Hopefully, they may even find the key to the bar trolley as well !!!!
RG also fly LHR-CPH 5 times a week - I have flown in both the 777 & MD11 on this route, which has much higher load factors (both above 75%), and the onboard service is better too.


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Flew on Varig AMS-CDG, the flight was OK, rough landing at CDG. mind u i was giggling during the journey.... must be the amsterdam effect


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