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How Are Your Feelings About Aircraft Crashes?  
User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 44
Posted (9 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 5493 times:

Hi all,

since we have a really bad month for the aviation industry a lot of people approaching me and ask me what's going on in aviation. (Lot's of my workmates and friends know me as an aviation fan...)
Some of them say aircrafts are just bad, all the maintenance is done in a bad way and bla, bla,... You know those stupid comments.

But how do you really feel when especially an passenger a/c crash is newly reported, or you read here on A.NET suddenly about it?

Surely I feel really bad when passengers got killed at the crash. But I have sometimes even a bit the feeling as I work for the airline which had the crash. (This feeling depends how strong you love aviation, i guess) I feel bad, questioning me how that could happen and hope it wouldn't be so bad at the end. (In deed, I got really shocked and paralyzed when the Helios crash happened. This accident was really horrible and shocked the whole aviation industry)

Your thoughts about this? Are there similar feelings?

Regards,
Patrick


Aviation! That rocks...
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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

As much as we love aviation, I'm pretty sure that many of us still feel a bit apprehensive when boarding a plane sometimes...particularly if the plane belongs to an airline that has just suffered a crash, or if that type of plane was just involved in a crash. I remember after the 1985/86 Delta crashes in DFW, my mother was very worried about flying with them for a while. Also, think about Valujet and their 1996 crash - and the aftermath that followed. The best way to get over it this fear is knowledge. Knowing what goes on during flight, the risks involved, and the steps that need to be taken to ensure survival should something go wrong is important to all. Hopefully, everyone's confidence in air travel will get a boost in the not-too-distant future when this all clears up.


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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

It hits home more than it would with alot of people. It makes you wonder 'if only.....' But these things will happen and sure it is unfortunate but there is not much the public can do about it.
Just think of how many flights there are a day that don't end up in an accident. Seems to put things in perspective.


User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

My feelings?

Sh*t happens.



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 5452 times:

My feelings are that there were too many of them the last 30 days. A bad month for aviation  Sad


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User currently offlineEddieGunsmoke From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

Well, it won't keep me from flying. But it's for sure a bit scary when so many accidents occur on the same month.

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

I honestly don't know which is worse:

An actual plane crash?

Or the wingnut foamers tripping over themselves demanding to know the reg # of the plane in question. Then they make their mad dash through their photo archives to see if they have a picture of the "actual" plane that crashed while meanwhile, giving no more than token appreciation or thought to the victims, their families, and the airline.


User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

August 2005 will be remembered as a dark month in aviation history, just like August 1985. I will continue to fly as much (or less) as I have done before. But, sure there have been too many accidents this month, and it's just coincidence that they all happen within such a short time-span.

//Mattias


User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Crashes?

Usually the result of something that ,for now ,cannot be changed:
-Nearly, but not completely, perfect machines.
-No way near to being perfect humans

Just like all other kind of accidents we'll have to lurn to live with them.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

I think most people here are very concerned about when an aircraft goes down or involved in a serious incident, more so than the general population. We want to know a wide range of info as to the when, where, numbers killed/injured, the airline, the aircraft and most particularly how it happened. We wonder how something like an incident/crash can happen, especially as we know they do happen infrequently, far less than with automobile operation. Many of use are interested in the mystery of how something or somebody fails to do the job that was intended, much like how many people are attracted to history or police/crime dramas. There are many threads here that argue years later about aircraft crashes of the past (AA 587 & TWA 800 for example) and wonder of recent ones (Helios) especially where there is some lack of an obious or full conclusion of the cause, even after extensive investigations. Much of our concern and feelings about crashes/incidents are hopefully to find out how to reduce the risks now and in the future in airliner travel.

User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 5395 times:

Hearing about a plane crash far away on the telly: Interested in the cause (up to a certain point, I don't launch my own investigation or anything...) If people are killed I think to myself "that's a shame", but I don't really give it much more thought.

Hearing about a plane crash close to where I live: Take more interest, get more info and then perhaps gain more sympathy for the killed and their families.

Hearing about a plane crash where everyone survived: Makes me happy.  Smile

Witnessing a plane crash at 9AM on a stormy winters morning a year and a half ago: Scared as hell.
Knowing everyone survived the crash: Relief.

Thom@s



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

I think we are lucky we have so few of them, considering how many flights there are daily around the world, and how complex aircrafts are. I feel much more unsafe traveling down the NJ Turnpike than strapping myself into a jet.

Harry



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

As tragic as aircraft crashes are, they don't really make me think of aviation any differently. Crashes happen, that's life. And sometimes, the world just seems to get a streak of bad luck. If I started to feel apprehensive every time an aircraft goes down, then I would have to do the same for cars, buses, trains and boats. I still board an aircraft and stuff like this doesn't even cross my mind. Why should it? If it happens to me, it happens, that's life and I accept it.

The only thing that bothers me about these tragedies is how the media bounces on them and brainwashes our non-aviation citizens with misconceptions and scare tactics. As an example, why do they have feel it's so important to mention the fact that the aircraft type was a B737? For people who have no interest in aircraft automatically assume that it's an unsafe aircraft to fly in, at least with the people I've talked to. Of course, the media very rarely mentions the fact that there are more B737's in the air then any other aircraft type so it's just a mathematical fact that they are bound to be in more crashes then other types.

Just out of curiosity, when there is a bus crash, why don't they mention what type of bus it was?



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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

What I find ironic is how some people, after a crash on, say, a 737, will say that'a a dangerous plane and they won't fly on it. But then say a Jeep Cherokee (for example) smashes into a tree and kills it's occupants, it's not like people are refusing to get in that type of car!


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month ago) and read 5347 times:

Frustrating.
If its a Technical problem related one.Or one which is mysterious.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5331 times:

Quoting Glidepath73 (Thread starter):
But how do you really feel when especially an passenger a/c crash is newly reported, or you read here on A.NET suddenly about it?

I'm generally against airline crashes.


User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 1):
I'm pretty sure that many of us still feel a bit apprehensive when boarding a plane sometimes...particularly if the plane belongs to an airline that has just suffered a crash

I once heard that ticket sales tend to increase on an airline that has just suffered a crash because people think that the airline couldn't possibly have another crash in the foreseeable future. Whether that's true or not I don't know - personally I think it would depend on the airline and what kind of reputation it already has. I can see that working if it were one of the majors such as BA, AA, UA etc., but would it be the case on some of the world's lesser-known airlines?



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User currently offlineDba4U From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 665 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

Whe I'm goin' to die, I'll die in a plane crash...
I've got no fear

The only bad thing about the above scenario are all those other people who would be involved in the crash...


User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5313 times:

well..being a non flyer untill the end of september, it makes me more scared a little. something about dying like that, just being helpless while your plane is going down and the fire...just scares the crap out of me. but im coming to realize, crashes, compared to the # of flights in a day, year, is very little.

well when i was 8 i flew and wasnt scared at all, my ears just popped like crazy. since then ive seen wayyyyyyyyy to many movies based on plane crashes. but, i wanna go to london, paris, l.a, places i never been before, but can only get there on a plane in a timely manner. so i guess ill get over my fear of flying, since im taking a flight sep 30th


User currently offlineDelta717 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 457 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Quoting Dba4U (Reply 17):
Whe I'm goin' to die, I'll die in a plane crash...
I've got no fear

The only bad thing about the above scenario are all those other people who would be involved in the crash...

My thoughts exactly. I used to be a sort of nervous flyer...but I was on jetBlue on August 6, was watching MSNBC and found out about the Tuninter crash. It didn't phase me. If I'm going to die flying in a plane, then so be it...it was my time to go.


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

It's always sad to hear of an aircraft going down, especially when it is full of innocent people... but at the same time, there's really no way to prevent these kinds of things from happening from time to time (outside of banning flight completely).


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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5233 times:

Actually, since I'm just a passenger and can't control what happens when I fly, I'm not the least bit apprehensive when I board a plane. I'm more concerned when I cross the street.

And as A332 clearly states, as long as planes are flying, a small number are going to go down, whatever the reasons. And people will die. And that's sad.

But how come we speak so much of the dangers of flying when so many more people die every day on our roads? People who worry about safety in the air are not the people who worry about safety on the road, or the tracks, or the ocean for that matter.

I don't see anymore reason to worry about the plane crashing, than getting hit by a car.

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineKilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

Fortunately I still have got the impression that aviation is very very very safe and appreciate all what is done to make me fly.

Security is not the fruit of luck, but the fruit of efficient work and habits.

I would blacklist some airlines, because life is important and because it's a shame to put the life of innocent people in danger. Regarding security, I think that some airlines are just reaping what they have sown.

Cheers. Kilavoud.


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

I think it is sad when one hears of loss of life ... which usually accompanies plane crashes.

It happens, and I always reason that plane crashes result in instant death and not much prolonged agony, so it's not exactly a terrible way to go.

As a cyclist, I'm far more scared of cars on the road than I ever will from flying.



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User currently offlineSamair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

I always get apprehensive when boarding aircraft 'what if what if' but you end up less apprehensive the less you fly and air crashes always scare me because I think 'well that's another bad way to crash' but I try to over come my fear


the captain has now dimmed the lights for take off this is a routine procedure for flights during the hours of darkness!
25 Tsaord : "I don't see anymore reason to worry about the plane crashing, than getting hit by a car." from my perspective...i drive everyday to work. and i dont
26 Scamp : I should think that if I were on a plane that crashed, if I felt anything at all, it might be best described as, "ouch."
27 Buckieboy : I live in NW Switzerland whilst being brought up in central Scotland. Here, the kids walk to school aged four, just as I did in the '70s. What % of UK
28 FlyMIA : Once I hear about an accident I feel sorry for the familys and people directly involed in the crash but than I wonder. Why and how? These two question
29 PPSMA : I am finally feeling almost normal, as I have always felt like I was the only one who felt terrible when an accident occurred and the fact that, no ma
30 Post contains images UAcosCS : I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't like them one bit.
31 Cirrostratus : Nice one UAcosCS, I don't like them much either.
32 Leskova : They happen, they're a fact of life when flying - they're not going to change my travel plans even one bit. I've been booked, and ticketed, on a fligh
33 TimePilot : A week or so before flying I just stop reading any aviation related news. Not all, but definitely anything relating to crashes. I flew August 6th, a f
34 ReidYYZ : When it happens close to home (company or airport) the chances of me knowing somebody being that much higher, increases my concern. As for myself trav
35 SA7700 : I feel an enormous amount of sadness for the people who died and have the greatest sympathy for their beloved ones that they leave behind. I totally a
36 Levent : An airplane crash is a sad happening, but for me stands in the same line as a car crash, or a train crash, or whatever accident involving deaths and i
37 MarshalN : I second that, although I want to add "fly an Indonesian airline" to the list. There have just been too many (relatively speaking) crashes in that re
38 747LUVR : You know, I've always felt this: It's not death thats going to hurt...(sucks your life end's) but say your cruising along and the grime ripper is sitt
39 57AZ : Each event is tragic in it's own right. Can't help but to feel for the souls aboard and their circle of friends and family. On a broader perspective,
40 Post contains images AzoresLover : I've mentioned in another thread about spending a three-day weekend one year working to help clean up a crash site. Pilot flew the plane into the grou
41 Nordair : People die every day in car crashes, swimming pools, house fires, and even walking down the street. Yet, people still go for drives, still go swimming
42 Post contains images EGTESkyGod : I feel they are bad.
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