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Airports In South Texas That Will Likely Grow...  
User currently offlineMFEFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Hey guys I wanted your opinion on what airports will likely grow in the next decade or so in South Texas.....

Not including SAT and airports near by.....This thread includes airports in deep South Texas such as The Rio Grande Valley, Laredo to Corpus Christi, and down south.

And I mean :"growth", as in expansion, terms of passengers, airlines, cargo, terminal etc...


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

I think MFE and HRL will grow. HRL because S. Padre is getting more and more national exposure as an alternative Spring Break vacation destination. I'm sure that charters will start flying in ala Daytona or Cancun.


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

The drawback for the Valley area is twofold.

First, air traffic is spread out among three different airports (MFE, HRL, and BRO). If there were a single airport for the entire region, I could easily see AA mainline service to DFW and maybe RJ or mainline service to ORD and/or MIA, CO mainline service to IAH and maybe EWR, DL service to ATL, NW service to MEM, and UA service to DEN, along with maybe a Mexican carrier. However with three airports competing with one another, I don't think you'll see much expansion beyond the three airlines that serve the area.

Second, Texans are fiercely loyal frequent flyers. Most aviation experts would tell you that the three healthiest major carriers are WN, AA, and CO. These carriers have built their success on the backbone of loyal frequent flyers in the Lone Star state, and it will be very hard for a carrier such as UA to come in and take passengers. NW and DL will probably stay away, because they can get SkyTeam feed from CO (in fact, didn't NW serve MFE a few years ago, but pulled out quickly?)



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User currently offlineMFEFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Yea, NW (pinnacle) pulled out back in January because the lack of intrest, and the loads, I mean, who flies to MEM from the Rio Grande Valley. But MFE is in for a suprise.


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

I was glad and surprised when CO started sending 757s down to MFE--hopefully those return.


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 3):
But MFE is in for a suprise.

Care to elaborate?

Don't tell me Air France is starting service ...



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User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

AA's DFW-MFE flights have always done good. In the winter months, the snowbird traffic from the upper midwest is really strong, AA's flights are always oversold. I know a seasonal ORD-MFE MD-80 would do good, a RJ or two would work, but the problem is every passanger leaving MFE has a box or two of fresh citrus fruit,which would overload a RJ quickly.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33272 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 3):
I mean, who flies to MEM from the Rio Grande Valley.

That's not the point. The point is connecting passengers to Northwest's network. They weren't able to create a strong market.



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User currently offlineMFEFLyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Who knows? Air France might just fly to MFE. NO, there's and expansion going on as of now, how I know, because I do live in McAllen, hence, right near the airport. They're extending the runway, and adding a parallel runway for cargo aircraft, adding four more gates, which will lure more airlines.....Who know's maybe flights to ORD,ATL,SFB, Even CDG via Airfrance! bigmouth 


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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

Quoting MFEFlyer (Thread starter):
Corpus Christi

IMHO, I'm not sure there is a lot of growth potential for Corpus Christi in the near term. They've been trying to develop it as a tourist destination for years. The recent Base Realignment and Closure Commission is closing a major military base in Ingleside, which won't help matters. Corpus is one of those "terminal" destinations. It's not a hub or an transit point to another destination.



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User currently offlineMFEFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

I think that BRO has no potential. I know that BRO was trying to bring in G4 to share some flights with MFE, my guess 2 flights from MFE, and 2 to BRO from LAS> Also a couple of years ago, they tried to bring in DL. I see no point in BRO, only in spring break, but usually HRL, and even a little of MFE get the spring breakers' flights. Mostly HRL. BRO only has 5 daily flights to IAH with Continental Express. I'm not too sure about the loads, my guess is they're about 70-80% full. So, I'd say BRO, is out of the picture for expansion.


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

And exactly how much in-bound traffic is destined for the beaches?

From what I remember, is not South Texas a "drive-to" destination? I've known many people who've been to South Padre....but in their cars...the area is too spread out, and the truly budget conscious; after adding a rental car into the mix; will opt to drive; even with gas prices soaring; some habits are hard to break.

Does the area really want to be the next Daytona?
And what to do the other 51 weeks of the year when it is not Spring Break?

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
First, air traffic is spread out among three different airports

Excellent point.
The closest two to each other (HRL, BRO) are just 26 miles apart.
The furthest apart of the two (MFE, BRO) are just 54 miles apart.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
However with three airports competing with one another, I don't think you'll see much expansion beyond the three airlines that serve the area.

And this is the unfortunate truth.
A regional airport authority, concentrating efforts on just one of the airports, is the only thing that will produce tangible results in relation to improved air links. Civic egos need to be set aside, so that airline service can improve for all citizens of the region.
Harlingen makes the most sense to be the region's airport; central to population; ease of access to oceanside destinations; but in reality, the leaders of MFE and BRO would never allow that to happen. Hell, I've been waiting for the Cameron County/Port Isabel airport to throw it's hat into the ring...since they are in fact the closest airport to the beaches.
Is Matamoras served by anyone? That technically makes it 4 airports if so.
Too many airports!



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4020 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 10):
I'd say BRO, is out of the picture for expansion.

I agree. BRO has as far as I remember, seemed to have had difficulty attracting and keeping carriers. I recall numerous times when we would fly BN to BRO from MSP in the 70s visiting relatives who had a beach house on SPI (South Padre Island), changing planes at DAL (later DFW) and occasionally IAH, the planes (721s and 722s) were fairly empty for the most part. Later TX and Transtar tried BRO with mediocre results as I recall.

That said, I have always found it odd that BRO never had more success, given it's geography to Mexico and SPI, the two big tourist draws. Yet, MFE in comparison which is much further away from SPI (South Padre Island) has over the years become the gateway airport to the Valley. Checking all 3 airport's web sites, it would seem that MFE has gone further in upgrading it's facilities, compared to those of HRL and BRO and aggressively gone after carriers. I too would agree that MFE probably has a brighter future than HRL and BRO, at this point anyways.

http://www.mcallenairport.com/
http://www.flybrownsville.com/
http://www.iflyharlingen.com/


Thomas

[Edited 2005-08-29 23:58:24]


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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Crawford has attracted a lot people lately...  Wink

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineMFEFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Yes Matamoros is served by Aeromexico, and some other cheap airline, and stirling, you maybe right, you forgot to mention REX(Reynos) across the border of McAllen, so techniclly,there's 5 airports in the area including border of Tamaulipas, MX.

And stirling, I do disagree about HRL being the main airport, yes it has the name of Valley International Airport(VIA), and it's close to South Padre Island, but it's not the regions main airport, the regions main and business airport is MFE. Just because SWA flies out of HRL, that's HRL's business. Continental Express are mediocre on there loads, and Sun Country is only seasonal. Maybe in terms of Cargo, yes it is, because HRL does have quite a few Cargo carriers.

Another point is Thats why BRO is Calles Brownsville/SouthPadre International Airport, the real gate way to the "oceanside" is BRO

And thomasphoto.....I totally agree with you.

[Edited 2005-08-29 23:52:30] and also thomas, if you go to HRL's website, you'll be able to check out all 3 aiports passenger loads.

[Edited 2005-08-29 23:55:13]


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User currently offlineMFEFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

Here is the link for july alone, on pax that enplaned and deplaned
http://www.iflyharlingen.com/via/airport/stats/pdf/July2005Report.pdf



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):
From what I remember, is not South Texas a "drive-to" destination? I've known many people who've been to South Padre....but in their cars...the area is too spread out, and the truly budget conscious; after adding a rental car into the mix; will opt to drive; even with gas prices soaring; some habits are hard to break.

For the most part its true--but its starting to change--remember SY use to send in the occasional DC10.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

MFEFlyer, great topic! What about LRD? I have an emotional attachment to Laredo as I used to live there in the early 70's. Back then there was the "international" airport, and the US Air Force Base. I know that the airport moved to the former base when it closed. Since then the area has experienced explosive growth. I would have thought that it was ideally situated to be a significant, if somewhat minor, transcontinental hub between the various countries of the Americas. Any thoughts?


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User currently offlineMFEFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

Well about LRD, I understand that city is growing rapidly aswell. Growth for LRD at the moment, in my opinion would probably be a steady airport. I know continental express, and american eagle, and some mexican airline lure LRD. I know that CO is going to take out LRD-MEX service soon. And I know that it's a small airport, well the terminal consisting of 4 gates as well. Any more info guys about LRD?


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4020 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

I was doing some work in Laredo back in '88', where I shot this pic during some downtime
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Photo © Thomas Millard

. I remember LRD being back then, basically a dump, but checking out their web site http://www.cityoflaredo.com/airport/ and it would seem that they have done some major renovation work. I would be curious to see some additional pics from LRD. Perhaps when I get back to Houston in Oct, I'll make a trip down that way. I would love to snap a pic of the Azteca bird.

Thomas



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33272 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 18):
I know that CO is going to take out LRD-MEX service soon.

This has not been confirmed.

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 18):
some mexican airline lure LRD.

That would be Mexico's largest airline, AeroMexico.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 14):
And stirling, I do disagree about HRL being the main airport, yes it has the name of Valley International Airport(VIA), and it's close to South Padre Island

You might have misunderstood...I "suggested" HRL become the areas airport due to it's more central location, that is all.
And WN's service there had nothing to do with my suggestion.

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 12):
BRO has as far as I remember, seemed to have had difficulty attracting and keeping carriers. I recall numerous times when we would fly BN to BRO from MSP in the 70s

And the Great Silver Fleet: Eastern Airlines before that....HOU-CRP-BRO....truncated at CRP by the time the 70's rolled around.

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 14):
Yes Matamoros is served by Aeromexico, and some other cheap airline, and stirling, you maybe right, you forgot to mention REX(Reynos) across the border of McAllen, so techniclly,there's 5 airports in the area including border of Tamaulipas, MX.

My goodness, I forgot about that one!
The Rio Grande Valley must have the most airports per capita than anyplace in North America!
5 airports fighting over passengers isn't doing anyone a bit of good!
Imagine what one airport could do! Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 million passengers a year....minimum.



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3389 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 9):
IMHO, I'm not sure there is a lot of growth potential for Corpus Christi in the near term. They've been trying to develop it as a tourist destination for years. The recent Base Realignment and Closure Commission is closing a major military base in Ingleside, which won't help matters. Corpus is one of those "terminal" destinations. It's not a hub or an transit point to another destination.

I would agree with this. The new terminal at CRP is quite nice, though--definitely an upgrade from the old one. Does CO still send in one mainline flight a day to supplement the RJ's?

I'm heading down to Corpus for a couple days in October for some family stuff. Should be a nice change from the sleet in Anchorage Big grin



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User currently offlineRogerThat From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):
A regional airport authority, concentrating efforts on just one of the airports, is the only thing that will produce tangible results in relation to improved air links. Civic egos need to be set aside, so that airline service can improve for all citizens of the region.

Perhaps a congressman will introduce a bill restricting flights from the other 2 airports to the states abutting Texas. All the airlines x-WN will move to the unrestricted airport. Who knows, maybe some carrier will build a hub down in the Rio Grande Valley Regional Airport at the airport where Southwest is not.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5222 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Does anyone remember Ozark's shortlived BRO-DFW-STL service?

IIRC they pulled out of BRO before the TWA buyout. 13 years later TWA starts a MFE-AUS-STL run, giving the Valley another shot at STL service.

I guess the WN stronghold at HRL and the beyond flights out of HOU pretty much kill that market.



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25 Kanebear : For the near term, I don't see a whole lot of expansion out of CRP. In speaking to folks who know, our loads are good however the yields are only fai
26 Thomasphoto60 : Why Corpus Christi never took off as a major tourist destination has always baffled me. I make CRP at least 3 times a year and I really like the town
27 MFEFLyer : In my opinion, 3 Airports in the Rio Grande Valley is pointless. McAllen-Harlingen-Brownsville are the 3 largest city in the valley. And thats excludi
28 Coa747 : Corpus is slowly coming around. The much talked about arena was finally built the baseball stadium is up and running. Development on the island is tak
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