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737-200 -- Would You Fly On One?  
User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

I put this thread together as a place where people can discuss the safety issues that have come to light concerning the 737-200.

My limited research finds that out of 1114 frames built, 96 have been written off as hull losses (8.6%) and 167 have been involved in some other level of incident.

The question arrises -- is the 737-200 too much of a risk to continue flying?

Would you fly on one given the option?

Is the 737-200 the least safe aircraft in the skies in large numbers today? Is it the least safe aircraft of all time?

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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7463 times:

I have felt quite safe riding on AQ's 732s. Some of the early 732s have been retired. The 732s in AQ's fleet were built in the 80s, and most are Advanced models.

It depends on the airline and the country where it flies. The same would apply to airlines still flying 742s, DC-9s, DC-10s and L-1011s.



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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7436 times:

Quite a ridiculous thread.

I'd fly a 732, in a heartbeat



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User currently offlinePITA333 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 391 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7420 times:

I love flying them! I fly Aloah's 732s and cout my blessing, because one day theyll be gone!

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7405 times:
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Heck yes I would. The last time I was on one was in June from MKE to ATL on Delta. I was put in first class and it was an awesome ride. I wouldn't hesitate to climb on one again.

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Thread starter):
My limited research finds that out of 1114 frames built, 96 have been written off as hull losses (8.6%) and 167 have been involved in some other level of incident.

Now figure out how many of those incidents have occurred in a third world country where aviation maintenance standards are very low and poorly regulated.



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User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7405 times:

Quoting GARPD (Reply 3):
I'd fly a 732, in a heartbeat

Yeah!!!


User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7401 times:

Quoting GARPD (Reply 3):
Quite a ridiculous thread

Why do you find the thread ridiculous?

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineSspontak From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7397 times:

I hope to fly on one of Delta's 732 before they are retired. It is one of the last true classic models still flying. I enjoyed flying them when used for DL Express. The most recent mainline config is actually a pretty good seat pitch. Besides that, the roar of those P&W engines upon landing cannot be matched even on NWA's DC niners.


Go Delta!
User currently offlineHBIHLtoEZE From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 282 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

I love the 737-200s, and I certainly would fly on well-maintained pigs like those of Lan Chile, Aerolineas Argentinas or Aloha Air (btw all of AQs 732 are advanced models, some of them are among the last built 737-200 at all).

However, I once flew Aerocontinente's OB-1544 (the aircraft became a write off 1 1/2 years after my flight in a landing accident at LIM) and it was one of the very few incidents in which I felt uneasy or even slightly scared on board; (another being on a AVENSA DC-9). It is not a model of an aircraft that is unsafe or unsafer than others, neither is it an aircraft's age, it is simply relevant how well and if the planes are maintained and taken care for.

Even new aircraft that are neglected are dangerous.

I would probably refuse to fly any Indonesian 737-200s (as probably any other aircraft, too, maybe Garuda, but their safety record is horrible, too) as I do not trust them very much.

Indonesia and Peru must be among the most unsafe countries to fly; the last time I was in Peru I opted for the seemingly safest option, Lan, and was very pleased by it.

Nothing beats the sound of a starting 737-200 (or 100, something I have failed to witness unfortunately)

Cheers



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User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7364 times:

ok, so it looks like airnetters are a brave lot. everyone seems to be willing to fly on one.

then let's get to part two of my question: is the 732 the least safe aircraft in the skies today in large numbers?


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7366 times:

You'd be very safe on a Delta, Ryanair, Alaska Airlines, South African, Air One, WestJet, Aerolineas Argentinas or LAN 737-200.
The safety depends much more on the airline... try to avoid airlines like Kam Air in Afghanistan, Sudan Airways or TANS.
It sounds paradoxal, but the reason the 737-200 has many crashes is because it's so good. That means it's a popular aircraft for small airlines in a poor or difficult environment.
The 727 had a better safety record, but that's because it was never really popular with smaller airlines in Africa, Asia or Latin America due to it being a bit too big (for short haul flights) and expensive to operate (three crew, three engines).



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User currently offlinePbiflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7335 times:

I have not been on a 737-200 in many years, however, I am scheduled to fly a DL 732 on Oct 1st from STL to ATL on my way back to PBI. I am really looking forward to flying at least this one more time on a classic 732. If given the chance I will fly on a 732 with DL as long as they fly them.


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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7332 times:

Heck yeah, I'd fly on one! Heck, I'd fly on ANY aircraft, ANY airline, ANY time!


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User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7292 times:

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 14):
Heck yeah, I'd fly on one! Heck, I'd fly on ANY aircraft, ANY airline, ANY time!

Yes.....With Your username, I would too  Wink

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlinePMN From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7277 times:

The only '200's I've ever flown are Ryanair's, and although they may be in pretty poor shape, I always enjoy flying on them. As PITA333 pointed out, they won't be here much longer so I intend to make the most of them!

Paul



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User currently offlineA3204eva From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 12):
You'd be very safe on a Delta, Ryanair, Alaska Airlines, South African, Air One, WestJet, Aerolineas Argentinas or LAN 737-200.

Take RYR off the list Big grin I've seen many of them, and trust me, U wouldn't want to!

I wouldn't fly a 732 if it were with RYR or in a third world country. As said, most are being retired (incl RYR who don't have many anymore).

Scott



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7265 times:

I posted these in another thread, and they're quite relevant here...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ral_aviation/read.main/2310641/#90

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...al_aviation/read.main/2310641/#104

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...al_aviation/read.main/2310641/#110

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...al_aviation/read.main/2310641/#112

In short, you can't just look at the 737-200 itself, you also have to factor in how/where it's operated... I have no qualms about the aircraft at all...


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7237 times:

Quoting Maersk737 (Reply 8):
Quoting GARPD (Reply 3):
Quite a ridiculous thread

Why do you find the thread ridiculous?

Cheers

Peter

because the 732 has been in service for over thirty years and has an excellent safety record. The recent incidents as stated above are in third world countries with questionable safety and maintenance. As the age increases, the adquisition price of this airplane goes down, making it more accessible to cheap airlines with poor maintenance, and because they are older they require more maintenance, making them more prone to problems if not maintained correctly. The reason that this post is ridiculous is because this plane makes thousands of cicles a day and does so safely and efficiently, and if people cant appreciate that then it is ridiculous, if they started falling out of the sky and were well maintained then that would be scary. But most of the time it is human error (TANS) or bad maintenance (Indonesia)


User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7228 times:

Quoting HBIHLtoEZE (Reply 10):
It is not a model of an aircraft that is unsafe or unsafer than others, neither is it an aircraft's age, it is simply relevant how well and if the planes are maintained and taken care for.

i'm not sure i buy this argument, one that everyone here seems to be making, i.e. it's all about the maintenence. if that were the case, why are there a disproportional amount of hull losses with the 732? bad maintenence is bad maintenence, and it must affect all older airline types equally. right?


so is there something in particular about the plane that has led to so much "bad maintenence"?


User currently offlineD5DBY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 12):
The safety depends much more on the airline... try to avoid airlines like Kam Air in Afghanistan, Sudan Airways or TANS.
It sounds paradoxal, but the reason the 737-200 has many crashes is because it's so good. That means it's a popular aircraft for small airlines in a poor or difficult environment.
The 727 had a better safety record, but that's because it was never really popular with smaller airlines in Africa, Asia or Latin America

if u give a B777 to Kam Air and a B737-200 to BA I would chose to fly with BA and their B737....lol


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

To me, the 737-200 is an ugly plane. However, if the airline had a good record and the plane had a clean interior with decent seat pitch, I'd fly just about anything they put me in.

I want to fly the 340-500/600 next. 777's are too noisey in the Y cabin IMO and the 747 is starting to get a little retro to my tastes.



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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7193 times:

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 20):
so is there something in particular about the plane that has led to so much "bad maintenence"?

These accidents are happening because of underfunded airlines buying airframes that are not maintained properly, period.

Fed Ex, NW, AS, DL , UPS and Airborne Express/DHL fly thousands of old 737-300, 727-200, DC-8s, DC-10s, DC-9s, etc flights DAILY, yet they do not have issues.

Many of these planes are older than the 737-200 yet they are safe.



DO you really have to ask this question?


User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 11):
is the 732 the least safe aircraft in the skies today in large numbers?

Its not the age of the aircraft my friend , its the company/airline maintaining the aircraft. For example , an A340-600 being flown and maintained by Chanchangi airlines of Nigeria I would never get on , but a 727 maintained by CE (nationwide airlines , South Africa) I would get on to since they have very good maintenance and are a very reliable and safe airline.

In short , depending on the airline , their pilot training and maintenance I would fly again on a 737-200 as I have done countless times.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 18):
In short, you can't just look at the 737-200 itself, you also have to factor in how/where it's operated... I have no qualms about the aircraft at all...

Ditto.

Long live the 737-200 with those JT's!

-SA006



Proudly South African
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 20):
so is there something in particular about the plane that has led to so much "bad maintenence"?

Becouse a underfunded airline with little cash is more likely to be able to buy a 732 at rock bottom price, especially with fuel being so expensive, in the second hand (or in the 732's case fourth or fith hand) market the 732 is cheap cheap cheap. that is the reason it attracts more bad maintenance.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7158 times:

Perhaps the real issue is not so much how many frames were produced vs. how many were lost but, rather, how many hours (or cycles) in total those airframes have accumulated vs. how many have been lost.


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25 Lufthansa747 : This thread is totally ridiculous. I'd fly a 732 or Mandala Airlines for that matter in a hearthbeat.
26 SA006 : No because most "3rd world" (cant find any other way to say it) airlines utilize older aircraft since they can't afford new A319's , A330's etc etc.
27 SA006 : Ok let me rephrase: I am trying to get the same idea as Luisca has And most "underfunded" airlines are found in Africa and South America , countries w
28 CruzinAltitude : I think the bottom line is this, I would feel comfortable flying in any well maintained Boeing or Airbus on any tarmac out there. I would not, however
29 Post contains links OPNLguy : I went back to the data from www.aviation-safety.net (GREAT site..) and pulled the following data on 737-200 hull losses from accidents. Hull losses f
30 Aloha73G : I feel very safe flying on 732s operated by Aloha and look forward to every flight. The sounds on takeoff and the clamshells on landing are essential.
31 Post contains images PHLBOS : Already did about 2 years ago on a DL CVG-PHL flight. No complaints. Where I was sitting, I got a chance to see the clamshell reverse thrusters in ac
32 MADtoCAE : Ive flown on them all my life, ATL-CAE, would fly one any day.
33 Post contains images PHLBOS : Are you saying that 732 production continued until 2004? I don't think so.
34 LipeGIG : I agree that with the right maintenance any 732 is a safe aircraft. My last 732 flight was in one VP very old plane three years ago (and up to last ye
35 OPNLguy : It continued untill 1988, I know, but my default frame of reference was when SWA stopped taking deliveries and started taking 737-300s. Sorry I wasn'
36 Post contains links and images BmiBaby737 : I have flown 2 737-200 flights and would fly one tommorow If i could! View Large View MediumPhoto © Jorge Abreu - Madeira Spotters Jimmi
37 Post contains images AJO : I've flown the 732 twice so far, and wouldn't hesitate to fly one again... In fact, both my 732 flights were made to include a 732 in my "log book"
38 Halls120 : As long as it was on a carrier I trusted, sure.
39 Leskova : In 20 flights, the B737-200 has always brought me to my destination safely, even if rather loudly... Flown by an airline I trust, I'd fly it again. Gi
40 Post contains images GARPD : But you have a bias for the A320 anyway... kinda makes it hard for the 732 to compete with you I can't beleive you, as an aviation fan, would prefer
41 HBIHLtoEZE : ...actually if I have the choice to fly one I do - when I was in Hawai'i I had to decide between the brandnew 717 with Hawaiin (a plane I haven't boar
42 Braybuddy : Been on them eight times in the last eighteen months (Ryanair and LAN express) and the only thing I could fault them on was the rattle and hum. It wou
43 Post contains images GARPD : Well duh
44 MD88Captain : This is a very, very silly topic.
45 Braybuddy : Duh yourself, mate! I was only pointing out that the quality of the flight would put me off flying in one.
46 Birdbrainz : Indeed. My father flew them for UA for > 10 years. He loved the plane. I love the little bird too, especially the thrust reversers, and the lovely "b
47 Flyboy36y : I'll be honest, I was a bit sad not to have flewn one when I thought I would. I was flying AR and it was supposed to be 732 both ways, but the way the
48 Post contains images EZEIZA : If it was a 737 it must have been a -500 series. AR has begun replacing the 732's only with the above mentioned I agree with many here, that it's not
49 CitationJet : I few a DL 732 from ATL to MCI last June. I asked DL if I could take an earlier flight without a fare penalty just to fly the 732. Delta was kind enou
50 AeroVodochody : 732s are PERFECTLY safe, try to remember its not the plane, but the maintenance. This is exactly like those "are russian aircraft safe?" threads, YES!
51 Transair737 : The 737-200 is safe and I would fly on one again in a second. It was a workhorse in Canada for over 30 years and I have flown on many. Flights with tr
52 Post contains images Leskova : Why? I'm not "only" an aviation fan, but also a "technology fan" - sure, older planes are interesting (then again, a B737-200 is boring when compared
53 Aerorobnz : Not only would I fly a 732 I'm looking at flying one for LIM-CUZ-PEM flights...
54 JoeCattoli : I think almost nothing thread is ridiculous... Until it is without respect and rises questions it won't be ridiculous... If u find a thread ridiculou
55 Post contains images WILCO737 : HI guys, Well, I have no problem to fly on the 737-200! I fly 737-300/500 everyday which are sometimes aroudn 17-18 years old, too! but I dont feel wo
56 CV990 : Hi! I actually flew already a few 737-200's. I think the issue is not the airplane, it is infact the maintenance/crew/airline operationality. I flew 4
57 Airtrainer : Flew on a FR 732 just one year ago, didn't feel unsafe and enjoyed the flight. I would not hesitate to fly again on this type...
58 Post contains images VS747SPUR : Id love to fly on a 732. If your time is up, your time is up A thing that bugs me in the media here is how they portray the 737 to be a questionable a
59 ACDC8 : I love flying on the -200's! I've flown on them more then any other 737 series. Airlines include Canadian, WestJet and Pacific Western. I'm hoping tha
60 777ER : B732s are perfctly safe aircraft, so yes
61 AR1300 : If i would??? that's basically the only thing that we've got downhere. Mike
62 HAWK21M : One of the Best Aircraft of its Time. If Mantained & Operated well. A Mx Friendly Aircraft. Too bad very soon the B732s will be gone from India apart
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