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Best Transatlantic Economy : AA Or UA?  
User currently offlineKingsford From Belgium, joined Nov 2003, 427 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11118 times:

As I was booking online BRU-OMA-SLC-BRU I got a price difference between AA and UA of 400 USD : UA being the most expensive. I am now wondering what the catch is for a price difference of 400 USD. The schedules are comparable, only the stop-overs differ.

Can anyone tell me why I would prefer UA on FRA-ORD rather than AA on BRU-IAD ? I heard UA is more comfortable...

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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

Well I was always under the impression that AA was more comfortable in economy. Certainly the legroom I had flying AA 777 LHR-JFK in June was much better than you would normally get in Economy. I wasn't aware that UA matched this.

Of course I don't know if this is for all AA's transatlantic aircraft types, or what equipment they use on BRU services.



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User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11043 times:

Both of the flights are with 763. However I think that it is UA that is flying BRU-IAD while AA is your BRU-ORD option.

AA787



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10780 times:

I can't speak for AA, but on UA you have the chance of getting Economy Plus seating, and there are PTVs throughout the aircraft, including coach.

User currently offlineKingsford From Belgium, joined Nov 2003, 427 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10698 times:

That's what I thought. I am very PTV minded and I remember UAL had them the last time on board of their 777.

User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10682 times:

If PTV is such a big deal, then why not go buy a portable DVD player and save $400 on the airfare???


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10643 times:

I'm a bit confused at your routing options ... I absolutely love AA's transatlantic product, but they do not yet have PTVs in their 763s. AA's 777s are first-rate.


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User currently offlineCarbHeatIn From Ireland, joined Jun 2004, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10588 times:

No brainer.... Channel 9 all the way...

User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10586 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
Well I was always under the impression that AA was more comfortable in economy. Certainly the legroom I had flying AA 777 LHR-JFK in June was much better than you would normally get in Economy. I wasn't aware that UA matched this.

AA's "More Room Throughout Coach" is in the process of being eliminated, and coach seats are being added back to the airplanes. Once this happens, AA and UA will have roughly equal room in coach, although UA will still offer Economy Plus with up to 5" extra leg room.


User currently offlineKingsford From Belgium, joined Nov 2003, 427 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10567 times:

PTV is best because the batteries don't die after 3 hours and the movies tend to be much more recent than what's available in DVD.

To get PTV I would have to fly via FRA as the BRU direct flights do not have them indeed. But true for 400 USD I can go 50 times to a cinema...


User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 987 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10530 times:

I've never flown with either AA or UA transatlantic, so perhaps this reply is unfair, but transatlantic service on Air France is consistently fabulous. Seating is very comfortable in either their Boeing or Airbus fleets, the food is great in economy, and the champagne flows without a $5. charge. My 2 cents


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User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10508 times:

AA international on-board service compares to US domestic.
UA is kinda cool with Channel 9... comparable service, maybe a notch up cpmpared to AA on average. I always get more recent aircraft on UA than on AA.
Food is comparable. Special meals get less mixed up at AA!



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10486 times:

Quoting C680 (Reply 5):
If PTV is such a big deal, then why not go buy a portable DVD player and save $400 on the airfare???

great idea..I always bring my laptop, in fact, did that for my flight from ORD-SJC last night on AA, and with AA having powerports in economy, one can run any laptop/dvd player for the whole flight without problems... thumbsup 

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 10):
I've never flown with either AA or UA transatlantic, so perhaps this reply is unfair, but transatlantic service on Air France is consistently fabulous. Seating is very comfortable in either their Boeing or Airbus fleets, the food is great in economy, and the champagne flows without a $5. charge. My 2 cents

I flew from CDG-DXB-CDG on AF last month..while their service is very good, the seating was terrible, especially after sitting in AA's 777 from JFK-LHR (emergency exit row 31A/B no less).



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User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10460 times:

Quoting CarbHeatIn (Reply 7):
No brainer.... Channel 9 all the way...

Absolutly.

Add to that the rest of the IFE and the 777 as opposed to the 763... Besides, UA needs your money worse than AA. Give them a break!


User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10398 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 13):
Besides, UA needs your money worse than AA. Give them a break!

Would this be a serious reason for you to choose an airline?
Cheers,

Wouter



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User currently offlineKaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 742 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10354 times:

I flew AA in July for the first time, LHR-LAX on a 777 and Y class was very good in terms of comfort. Around 34" of legroom comfortable seats and touchscreen PVTs with almost new movies. The service was what you'd expect from a US airline, a decent dinner and a rather awful snack box. Overall it was pretty good better than BA's Y class (the only other airline i've flown trans-atlantic). They are now adding more seats in Y but in their 777s the extra seats will be added between rows 30 and 44 so rows 20-26 will retain the extra legroom.


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User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10321 times:

Quoting 777klm (Reply 14):
Would this be a serious reason for you to choose an airline?
Cheers,

I'm not the one buying the ticket, am I  Smile


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10314 times:
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My suggestion is to go with UA. You will be flying on a 763, neither carrier has 777s on this routing. UA has the IFE, & AA does not. The roominess on AA's a/c is going bye bye. UA's food is a somewhat better than AA. Cabin crews are hit and miss. I hope that helps. If you have a choice of flying one of your EU carriers I'd take AF over UA or AA.

LACA773


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4528 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10297 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
and with AA having powerports in economy, one can run any laptop/dvd player for the whole flight without problems...

For some reason, my power adapter only works to recharge my laptop on AA planes. Whenever I actually turn my laptop on, the power cuts out. I think my laptop draws too much power.  Sad


User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10290 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 13):
Quoting CarbHeatIn (Reply 7):
No brainer.... Channel 9 all the way...

Absolutly.

Add to that the rest of the IFE and the 777 as opposed to the 763... Besides, UA needs your money worse than AA. Give them a break!

SO you guys would pay 400 dollars more to listen to ATC and watch a TV for a few hours?? Wow.....


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10281 times:

Quoting CarbHeatIn (Reply 7):
No brainer.... Channel 9 all the way...

I concur! Who needs PTVs if Ch 9 is available!

Tony



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10217 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 18):
For some reason, my power adapter only works to recharge my laptop on AA planes. Whenever I actually turn my laptop on, the power cuts out. I think my laptop draws too much power.  Sad

That's been happening to me, I was told it has to do with the power converter and not the airplane or laptop........

my laptop is 75W and about 15v dc , which is exactly what is mentioned on AA's website.....

"Powerports
Powerport Your seat may be equipped with a DC power outlet. American uses a "cigarette lighter" style outlet delivering 15 volts of direct current. On most aircraft*, a power outlet is available at each seat in First and Business class, as well as selected rows in the Coach cabin. Outlets may be used to operate laptop computers, CD/DVD players, charging cellphone and other devices with a maximum 75-watt capacity."

I was going to ask someone on this thread on the non-AV forum about this also..actually I had typed my question up, and then my Mozilla browser crashed  mad 

http://www.aa.com/content/travelInfo...Technology.jhtml?anchorEvent=false



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10159 times:

Quoting Kingsford (Reply 9):
PTV is best because the batteries don't die after 3 hours and the movies tend to be much more recent than what's available in DVD.

For US$400 you could buy a portable DVD player, and another battery or two. I'd rather have decent older movies that actually interest me instead of something cheesy but recent.

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 13):
Besides, UA needs your money worse than AA

Oh brother.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 15):
Around 34" of legroom comfortable seats and touchscreen PVTs with almost new movies.

Kiss the 34" pitch goodbye and AA PTV's on 767's are few and far between.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 17):
My suggestion is to go with UA

I agree with everything you said, except that it's not worth an extra US$400 by any stretch of the imagination. For that kind of money you might be able to buy a portable DVD player and a hand-held scanner instead of UA's PTV and CH9. Also, E+ is not the sort of thing you can count on unless you have status or have paid full Y fare.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 20):
I concur! Who needs PTVs if Ch 9 is available!

CH9 is worth $400?!



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10135 times:

UA is definitely better - Economy Plus, PTVs and Channel 9. Is it worth $400 for you? You need to answer this question yourself.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10047 times:

I have flown quite a number of times in the past 10 years. With as many trips as I have taken I have taken AA only twice. Once to DFW and once to FRA. With so few times on AA out of so many trips their level of service gets them into the top 5 twice in my opinion. Actually probably 2 of the top 3 when it comes to the quality of their flight attendants. The crews on the flights were among the best I've seen. They are very friendly and very helpful.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
25 N62NA : Actually, I think it is a good topic for this forum as opposed to non-av, so go ahead and post it as a new topic and I'll join in!
26 AADC10 : That is a crock. The problem is the aircraft's power supply. AA's coach power is that the system is often overloaded and cannot supply all of the dev
27 N1120A : UA is more comfortable if you are in Y+, where you have 36" of pitch. The key is, will you get a seat up there? If you aren't a Premier or up or flyi
28 YULWinterSkies : I know, but I would do everything possible to save one connection like most people... Kingsford is probably in my case too! Champagne pour tout le mo
29 Aa777flyer : UA is not charging more because their service is different from AA's. Basically fares are capacity controlled. It is likely a situation where the lowe
30 WingnutMN : UA I believe still offers free alcohol in economy on international flights, so if you are a nervious flyer, maybe that is a way to go!
31 BRAVO7E7 : Not anymore. Only to Asia and Australia.
32 Paul : Definately go with UA. They are great whatever class ur in. Especially Business! Regards Paul
33 Post contains images UAalltheway : I actually saw this thread and was already prepared to write a huge post on the trans-atlantic differences of UA and AA, as I was recently battling th
34 Daron4000 : I agree with going on UA, especially if the Star Alliance is part of your FFP. If you don't have a FFP, I suggest you join and get these 10000 miles t
35 Kingsford : I am Miles&More silver member. So yes that is why I was interested in flying UA over AA, DL and CO. The advantage is getting the miles, the disadvanta
36 Halls120 : I agree, especially since AA is apparently removing MRTC in all their aircraft.
37 Kingsford : So thank you all for the fine discussion : I finally booked BRU-IAD-ORD-OMA-DEN-SLC-DEN-IAD-BRU on UA for 750 EUR ! I could have had less stopovers wi
38 Jyatlantic : What a cool route. You'll definitely get to see different kinds of ppl during your trip.
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