FlyTweed From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11055 times:
Any speculation on what will be more successful? The 748 accomodates between 400-500 passengers, while the A380 can accomodate between 500-800 passengers. Both are going to principally serve intercontinental flights, but it'll be interesting to see which capacity is more successful. Thoughts?
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11023 times:
i think both are equal with the operating costs BUT think that eventually the 747-8, although it was launched way more later, will sell better than the A380 does... this because of the following reasons:
-lower operating cost, as well as per seat as per trip cost
-newer technology used.. that from the 787
-lower maintenance cost, because its based on the 787 wich will be revelutionary in maintenance time needed
-compability with 747-400, it doesn't require more than a couple of hours of training to train a pilot from a 747-400 to an 747-8 , and also ground equipment doesn't need special requirements.
-the 747-8 is able to fly to over 220 airports, while the A380 makes it to about 30 airports
- airlines like BA, wich they said themself, are seeying the 747-8 capicity as a better number of seats than the A380 has.
A380 is a package freighter, while the 747-8 can take lots more heavy cargo and more bigger containers thanks to its quite impresive stretch
although the 747-8 has a lot more advantages, the A380 also has some advantages
-is already available in end 2006, while the 747-8 is available in end 2009 at earliest
- takes more people, so for airlines like Qantas , wich fly's the busy SYD-LAX route is more atractive
-offers more space for Things like a bar or massage room
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 9248 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10864 times:
I think both will do well, but Boeing has the advantage as they have a far smaller development cost and the break even point is far lower - like 50 to 100 planes from what I have seen. The 748 is going to put pressure on Airbus to keep a sharp pencil when pricing the 380 - I'm sure Airbus would have preferred to see the 747 line shut down.
While the market for these planes is not large Boeing is in a position to profit from it very early and Airbus will have a longer road to profitability, but will eventually get there. If you look at the profitability of the two lines Boeing definitely had the advantage.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8361 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10623 times:
I think BA and JL are likely 747-8 customers for the passenger version. The reason is simple: BA controls a large fraction of landing slots at LHR and JL controls a large fraction of landing slots at NRT, so the type of landing slot restrictions that requires the use of bigger planes doesn't affect BA and JL and their home airports. That gives them more flight scheduling flexibility, so a plane as large as the A380-800 aren't necessary even on busy routes like NRT-HKG and LHR-JFK.
FlyTweed From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10542 times:
There are certainly plenty of major airports at this point that handle the 747 and are not A380-ready. Just a few that come to mind, at least in the U.S.: BOS, LGA, MCO, SFO, SEA, PHL... I think in the interim it's going to be hard to get a lot of these airports onboard with expansion to allow the A380. I know that MCO has a big Virgin presence, which uses the 747, and BOS has several operations from BA and Lufthansa, both of which use 747's on some of their routes. I'd be interested to see how the A340 will come into play with all of this - some international carriers using it for intercontinental flights may stick to the single-deck configuration of the A340.