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Most Unprofitable Routes Of Recent Times  
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9101 times:

What are some of the Most Unprofitable routes of recent times?


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

Anything operated by FLYI.


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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8932 times:

Here's one we dicussed recently:
SAS Loses 100 Million On Bangkok Route (by RedChili Dec 17 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2497656

[Edited 2006-01-07 14:21:49]

User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

There is much traffic on NYC area to Florida

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8853 times:

as a guess:
HRE-SIN-PEK
HRE-DXB
INU-TRW-NAN
KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE
any Malaysia domestic flight operated by MH, especially rural services



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User currently offlineCampbelldok From Brazil, joined Dec 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8830 times:

VARIG Brazil´s GRU - NRT (Brazil - Japan) via LAX after the US gov. started asking for VISAs even for passengers with a stop (not even unboarding the aircraft) in its territory. No wonder why this line will now be dropped after decades in service.

User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8814 times:

NZ's AKL-TPE, to be withrawn soon.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

Is the QF LHR-MAN-LHR a real commercial feeder servive or is it just there to protect two of QF's LHR slots? As the photographer says the Flightline BAe146 can be a bit of a surprise whebn you hear a QF flight is oon final:

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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8647 times:
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i belive HP lost a bundle on their transcons out of SFO...........i believe statements were made of sometimes only a dozen or so people on a 757 SFO-JFK/EWR (can't remember where they were going to)


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 4):
HRE-DXB

Oh yeah, that was the one with ony 1 person on board! And if SK is losing 100mil. bucks to BKK why don't they end the route?



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8402 times:
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Hooters Air - RFD/DEN perhaps?

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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8228 times:

My vote goes to Royal Tongan's flight from TBU to HNL. It literally killed the airline.

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 4):
HRE-SIN-PEK

Agree 100%. The loads have got to be abysmal.

Quoting Campbelldok (Reply 5):
VARIG Brazil´s GRU - NRT (Brazil - Japan) via LAX

This was probably a gold mine compared to Varig's big fiasco: GIG-GRU-JNB-BKK-HKG. An absolute farce, this route; should have never been operated.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8201 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 11):
This was probably a gold mine compared to Varig's big fiasco: GIG-GRU-JNB-BKK-HKG. An absolute farce, this route; should have never been operated.

What aircraft is this route operated with or was operated with?

Quoting AF022 (Reply 11):
HRE-SIN-PEK

If they made a CRJ with that enough range for that , they still probably couldnt fill it. Didnt this route used to stop in BKK?



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User currently offlineGBOAC From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 221 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7929 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 7):
Is the QF LHR-MAN-LHR a real commercial feeder servive or is it just there to protect two of QF's LHR slots?

I believe it was put on to protect slots, but it is a valid service - except it can only be booked as an add-on sector to pax flying connecting to/from one of the 'real' QF flights at LHR, i.e. last I heard you can't just try and buy tickets it directly.

Phil


User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Open up any SU OAG for the 60s, 70s or 80s. Loads of flights to mysterious locations in Africa, Latin-America. It was only after the demise of the USSR that it became known that SU's aircraft were often used for illegal arms transports.


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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7879 times:

Eos is making a loss? it just seems such a secret airline and no one knows the numbers. I suspect that they have lost mountains since they change the flight times

User currently offlineJoelatbsl From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 159 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

Many feeder routes of network carriers like BA, AF, LH may not be profitable as a route themselves but provide enough connection traffic to kept in the schedules. A typical one would be BSL-LHR operated by BA. Any normal person would fly either LX into LCY or EZY into STN or LTN to get to London but BA flies to BSL too just to get some pax into their (and OneWorld's) planes that fly to America, Asia etc.


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User currently offlineOurboeing From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7178 times:

My mom just recently flew Alitalia from DEL-Milan and Milan to IAD. She said that both the flights were almost empty.

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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7139 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 11):
This was probably a gold mine compared to Varig's big fiasco: GIG-GRU-JNB-BKK-HKG. An absolute farce, this route; should have never been operated.

Maybe a stop in MPM between JNB and BKK could have saved that interesting route.

UA and CO in CNF maybe could qualify for unprofitable destination then, but I think there'll be service between CNF and North America sometime soon.
I think CO first trial with CLO and BAQ from IAH (via SJO) was a unprofitable, specially BAQ; aslo their VVI service (blame LIM for not allowing 5th rigths LIM-VVI-LIM).
I'll add MX MEX-CUN-PTY and JM MBJ-PTY (JM has tried 3 times to start service to PTY) to the list too.

[Edited 2006-01-08 00:44:52]


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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7077 times:

My guess would be high tourist routes...like anything into and out of LAS or Florida...

User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7048 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 11):
Quoting Campbelldok (Reply 5):
VARIG Brazil´s GRU - NRT (Brazil - Japan) via LAX

This was probably a gold mine compared to Varig's big fiasco: GIG-GRU-JNB-BKK-HKG. An absolute farce, this route; should have never been operated.

In the 90s I remember reading that Asian routes were among the most profitable for Varig, specially Japan (the only other was the "fiasco" BKK-HKG). I believe HKG was also routed through FRA at some point. Varig has flown Brazil-Japan for 40 years... In recent times, yes it is unprofitable.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 12):
What aircraft is this route operated with or was operated with?

Mostly the MD-11, which was quite new at the time. B747-300,-200,-400 were also used at some point. The DC-10 I´m not sure.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7014 times:

How about DUS-PEK and DUS-PVG?

Patrick


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33284 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6948 times:

Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 19):
My guess would be high tourist routes...like anything into and out of LAS or Florida...

And your guess would then be wrong.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6911 times:

QF's LHR-MAN was just a slot retainer as I understood it, and losses didn't really matter.


What now?
User currently offlineHPnonrev99 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 65 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6549 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 8):
i belive HP lost a bundle on their transcons out of SFO...........i believe statements were made of sometimes only a dozen or so people on a 757 SFO-JFK/EWR (can't remember where they were going to)

CALMSP your probably right, after summer 2005, the transcons dissapeared off the schedule and haven't been seen or talked about since. Some flights were actually full, but the flights that operated with 10-20 people were a total waste. The routes were:

SFO-BOS
SFO-JFK
LAX-BOS
LAX-JFK

And vice-versa of course.



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25 MAH4546 : And LAX-IAD as well. LAX-MIA was going to launch after that, but was canceled before it was announced after seeing the terrible returns on the other
26 Photolppt : You can add LIS-Macau for TP, operated on A343. I believe it routed via BKK and, for a short time, BRU, making it LIS-BRU-BKK-Macau.
27 MD90fan : Why didnt they work? yields, competition? lack of feed?
28 SX36 : Along the same lines are the NW routes to/from the bodunk towns in North Dakota and Minnesota connecting passengers to their flights at MSP.
29 SkyexRamper : YX MKE-HOU or anything out of Rockford!
30 Lordanmol : One flight doesn't really matter. I could say S2 is doing really bad on its DEL - SIN - DEL route because both the flights went empty. Coming back ev
31 STT757 : How about NWA MSP-Oslo.
32 2travel2know : I don't think it was that recent, but it sure was a money looser. How about AA BNA-LGW, MIA-FRA, DFW-Puebla w/F100 and DFW-PTY? IMHO DFW-PTY had an s
33 NWA757boy : Why?
34 N1120A : Of course not, that would be cabotage Because while the yields are not the greatest, they are reliable revenue streams. WN is the most financially su
35 TWA902fly : I think if you fill a DC-9-30 on a 300 mile route with people paying well over $300 no matter where in the USA they are going you are going to make m
36 SHUPirate1 : How about America West's PHX-HNL-NGO flights on a 747?
37 AF022 : RG used either a B767 or an MD11 on the route. The HKG route failed because RG did not have traffic rights JNB-HKG; anyone getting off the plane at H
38 MD90fan : Why didnt this work? Aircraft? IIRC DL also flew DFW-PBC too That should have been able to work IMO
39 Flyboy7974 : couple statements about above comments: hp never used the b757 on the transcon flights. the sfo transcons were a complete bust for america west. wasn'
40 Stirling : Just think about it for a moment...all the airlines that fly into both Las Vegas and Florida...you're saying money can't be made into those markets?
41 Buckieboy : All, I flew once on a route that lasted only 6 month's; with Duo from Edinburgh to Zurich. It was an early morning departure and about 9 people were o
42 Apodino : I have one that HP ran in the early 90s JFK-SNA on a 757
43 Damian : To be fair, Duo's loads were slowly improving before the cash ran out, but they never seemed to advertise their services very widely. It's quite asto
44 MD90fan : Maputo, Mozambique right? who flew this? LTU or LH?
45 Kevin752 : Interesting post. I liked seeing all these routes that I never knew existed. I find UAL LAX-SNA kind of weird eventhough it is skywest who supplies th
46 Aerorobnz : AKL-SYD/BNE/MEL - For any carrier not operating it as an extension of a longhaul flight. It is terribly unprofitable because of the competition.
47 DTManiac : LTU operated these routes, but I think they had to cancel them recently due to low load factors. The yields probably werent very high either consider
48 JetBluefan1 : Exactly. JetBlue's most profitable route is JFK-FLL, and JFK-LAS is also an amazing performer for them. I'm not sure which routes are the most profit
49 Fly2CHC : Interesting question - would any EK routes be making a loss???
50 Jamake1 : United's short-lived JFK-HKG non-stop. It commenced shortly after 9/11 and I think it lasted about 3 months, if that. Frontier's attempts to make a fo
51 Burnsie28 : Every station here in North Dakota except Jamestown and Devils Lake are profitable, the two that are not are EAS service cities.
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