Campbelldok From Brazil, joined Dec 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9653 times:
VARIG Brazil´s GRU - NRT (Brazil - Japan) via LAX after the US gov. started asking for VISAs even for passengers with a stop (not even unboarding the aircraft) in its territory. No wonder why this line will now be dropped after decades in service.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 8668 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9542 times:
Is the QF LHR-MAN-LHR a real commercial feeder servive or is it just there to protect two of QF's LHR slots? As the photographer says the Flightline BAe146 can be a bit of a surprise whebn you hear a QF flight is oon final:
GBOAC From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 221 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8752 times:
Quoting VV701 (Reply 7): Is the QF LHR-MAN-LHR a real commercial feeder servive or is it just there to protect two of QF's LHR slots?
I believe it was put on to protect slots, but it is a valid service - except it can only be booked as an add-on sector to pax flying connecting to/from one of the 'real' QF flights at LHR, i.e. last I heard you can't just try and buy tickets it directly.
EHHO From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8746 times:
Open up any SU OAG for the 60s, 70s or 80s. Loads of flights to mysterious locations in Africa, Latin-America. It was only after the demise of the USSR that it became known that SU's aircraft were often used for illegal arms transports.
"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
Joelatbsl From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 159 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8156 times:
Many feeder routes of network carriers like BA, AF, LH may not be profitable as a route themselves but provide enough connection traffic to kept in the schedules. A typical one would be BSL-LHR operated by BA. Any normal person would fly either LX into LCY or EZY into STN or LTN to get to London but BA flies to BSL too just to get some pax into their (and OneWorld's) planes that fly to America, Asia etc.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7962 times:
Quoting AF022 (Reply 11): This was probably a gold mine compared to Varig's big fiasco: GIG-GRU-JNB-BKK-HKG. An absolute farce, this route; should have never been operated.
Maybe a stop in MPM between JNB and BKK could have saved that interesting route.
UA and CO in CNF maybe could qualify for unprofitable destination then, but I think there'll be service between CNF and North America sometime soon.
I think CO first trial with CLO and BAQ from IAH (via SJO) was a unprofitable, specially BAQ; aslo their VVI service (blame LIM for not allowing 5th rigths LIM-VVI-LIM).
I'll add MX MEX-CUN-PTY and JM MBJ-PTY (JM has tried 3 times to start service to PTY) to the list too.
This was probably a gold mine compared to Varig's big fiasco: GIG-GRU-JNB-BKK-HKG. An absolute farce, this route; should have never been operated.
In the 90s I remember reading that Asian routes were among the most profitable for Varig, specially Japan (the only other was the "fiasco" BKK-HKG). I believe HKG was also routed through FRA at some point. Varig has flown Brazil-Japan for 40 years... In recent times, yes it is unprofitable.
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 12): What aircraft is this route operated with or was operated with?
Mostly the MD-11, which was quite new at the time. B747-300,-200,-400 were also used at some point. The DC-10 I´m not sure.
HPnonrev99 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 65 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7372 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 8): i belive HP lost a bundle on their transcons out of SFO...........i believe statements were made of sometimes only a dozen or so people on a 757 SFO-JFK/EWR (can't remember where they were going to)
CALMSP your probably right, after summer 2005, the transcons dissapeared off the schedule and haven't been seen or talked about since. Some flights were actually full, but the flights that operated with 10-20 people were a total waste. The routes were:
And vice-versa of course.
Coming soon to an airport near you.
: And LAX-IAD as well. LAX-MIA was going to launch after that, but was canceled before it was announced after seeing the terrible returns on the other
: You can add LIS-Macau for TP, operated on A343. I believe it routed via BKK and, for a short time, BRU, making it LIS-BRU-BKK-Macau.
: Why didnt they work? yields, competition? lack of feed?
: Along the same lines are the NW routes to/from the bodunk towns in North Dakota and Minnesota connecting passengers to their flights at MSP.
: YX MKE-HOU or anything out of Rockford!
: One flight doesn't really matter. I could say S2 is doing really bad on its DEL - SIN - DEL route because both the flights went empty. Coming back ev